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20th June 2017, 01:48 PM | #121 |
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20th June 2017, 02:23 PM | #123 |
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The PDJT is trying to take credit for the boy coming home. "It's a disgrace that he wasn't brought home sooner." Yeah, like maybe five months ago??? When he came into power? He had nothing to do with it. (And don't mention the other three Americans currently in captivity.)
I never thought I'd ever say this about any President of our (already) great United States, but... what a prick. |
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20th June 2017, 02:26 PM | #124 |
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20th June 2017, 03:04 PM | #125 |
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US Citizen Otto Warmbier, returned from North Korea, murdered by vile North Koreans -may they long rot in a hell of their own.
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20th June 2017, 03:11 PM | #126 |
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20th June 2017, 04:20 PM | #127 |
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20th June 2017, 05:29 PM | #128 |
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This is some grade A concentrated delusion right here. Other than posturing, what exactly do you think North Korea signing onto the Paris agreement actually does? Do you think it will actually affect the amount of greenhouse gasses North Korea emits? Are you really that gullible?
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20th June 2017, 05:45 PM | #129 |
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Young Pioneers Tours
Normally low-key, The Economist titled their article "The outrageous death of Otto Warmbier." "'HOW safe is it? Extremely safe!' So read the guidance for North Korea on the website of Young Pioneer Tours when Otto Warmbier, a 21-year-old American student, signed up for a five-day trip to North Korea in December 2015."
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20th June 2017, 05:52 PM | #130 |
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20th June 2017, 06:10 PM | #131 |
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20th June 2017, 06:19 PM | #132 |
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For a less inflammatory discussion of this event, snopes seems as good a bet as any.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/06/20/dea...ffles-experts/ |
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20th June 2017, 06:30 PM | #133 |
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I'll have to remember the Mt. Everest analogy next time a woman gets raped at a frat party.
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20th June 2017, 06:32 PM | #134 |
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20th June 2017, 08:10 PM | #135 |
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20th June 2017, 08:50 PM | #136 |
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20th June 2017, 09:02 PM | #137 |
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The family has refused an autopsy, so unless the DPRK suddenly opens up*, the cause of his death will remain a mystery.
* This is unlikely. |
20th June 2017, 09:16 PM | #138 |
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What does a frat house have to do with North Korea? Is a frat house an oppressive dictatorial sovereign state that has a well published history of human rights abuses, imprisoning and executing people for minor stupid charges and is know for spewing hate filled BS against the countries of the people who for some reason still decide to visit?
Cause if so then yes, she is dumb for visiting, and likely a bit of a dick. Because by visiting she is supporting the evil ****head who runs the joint. |
20th June 2017, 09:32 PM | #139 |
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That's perplexing, considering the number of unanswered questions. https://www.livescience.com/59557-ot...r-autopsy.html |
20th June 2017, 10:21 PM | #140 |
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my 2 cents:
Most likely scenario: North Korea has made it an industry to ransom foreigners back to their governments. Warmbier was going to go the same way after putting the Fear of the Dear Leader into him - but they messed up, bigly, causing probably some brain damage. So they put him on ice and kept mum until it became clear that he would die in the coma in the foreseeable future. Not wanting him to die on North Korea soil, they shipped him back as quickly as possible. I don't see this case as any kind of escalation - in fact it might make NK more cautious about how they treat foreigners in the future. An actual military response would be a bad thing. But just what Trump is likely to do. |
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21st June 2017, 01:31 AM | #143 |
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Having read quite a few books on North Korea including those horrific accounts of Nazi type concentration camps and intriguing documentaries such as those about the U.S. soldiers who defected to North Korea during the Korean war (biggest mistake of their lives), I find it hard to believe how anyone would visit the country as a tourist. I could to some extent relate to the anger that someone could be so dumb as to literally put their life in danger by playing such a stupid prank as nicking a propaganda poster. But when this happened I felt that this whilst such sentiments might be expressed, it should be clear that that attitude should take about one thousandth of the importance as expressing the utter barbarity of the North Korea Police State. Now that the poor man has died, posts here and elsewhere that reflect callously on the American's "stupidity" as a kind of equivalence to the cruelty of this state I find astonishingly heartless.
I assumed the man had stolen the poster but did not believe the story he told in "court". The punishment meted out was so absurdly out of proportion that nothing could excuse the country's actions. I am not sure how to react to the possibility that that the man did not even commit the crime because my position is that North Korea's actions were already utterly outrageous and if it turns out that there is proof that the theft did occur then that does not mitigate them in any way at all. Words fail me if he didn't even do it in the first place. The U.S and other countries such as the UK should ban travel to this country. When a BBC journalist is imprisoned for about 24 hours or more, as happened recently, this is clearly a dangerous place to be. Journalists such as John Sweeney should reflect on the danger he put his fellow travellers when pretending to be part of an educational tour, when in fact he was attempting an undercover documentary. Lastly I am sad Trump is getting some credit by the family, and Obama some criticism. I may be proved wrong but I wonder if Obama did not try just as hard as Trump to free the man, and that his release was just a cynical action by the North Korean Government. (Though I do give Trump credit for having the obvious disgust with the country). |
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21st June 2017, 04:15 AM | #145 |
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21st June 2017, 04:22 AM | #147 |
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We can actually do something about a frat party. Clearly vacationing in a war zone as we are still at war with north korea(no peace treaty just a ceasefire) might not be the best idea. That is rather different than a party.
Clearly the response to being raped at a frat party is to kill everyone who is a member of any fraternity on the campus. That just follows through with the analogy of how to respond to this. |
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21st June 2017, 04:45 AM | #149 |
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These things are almost never made public, but it's standard practice with oppressive regimes.
The most public case to date is probably of North Korean "pirates" trying to ransom a Chinese boat full of fishermen: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Secu...emand-a-ransom from the article:
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ith-North.html We have no proof that the US is (most probably indirectly) paying Pyongyang for prisoners, but that would be very much in line with their normal actions. |
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21st June 2017, 07:01 AM | #152 |
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Then it would be obvious how useless the ballistic defense system actually is.
Also. A. Wambier shouldn't have gone their, a bit like acting surprised that someone died on while base jumping. B. That doesn't justify N. Korea(or N country orange as we called them during battle drills in the Navy) killing him. C. There's not much we can do about it other than say, "That's awful what Kim regime did to that fellow." We should always blame the Kims, the N. Koreans are more the victims of the regime than anyone. |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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21st June 2017, 01:32 PM | #157 |
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21st June 2017, 01:37 PM | #158 |
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Too bad terrorism is almost nonexistent in police states.
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21st June 2017, 01:42 PM | #159 |
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We didn't go to war w/ NK over this in '76:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident The axe murder incident (Korean: 판문점 도끼살인사건; Hanja: 板門店도끼殺人事件,도끼蠻行事件; literally, Panmunjom axe murder incident) was the killing of two United States Army officers, Arthur Bonifas and Mark Barrett, by North Korean soldiers on August 18, 1976, in the Joint Security Area (JSA) located in the Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ). The U.S. Army officers had been part of a work party cutting down a poplar tree in the JSA that partially blocked the view of United Nations (U.N.) observers when they were assaulted and killed by the North Koreans, who claimed that the tree was planted by Kim Il-Sung.[1] But rumor control central at Ft. Bragg had the 82nd doing a combat jump north of the 38th parallel. I'm glad we didn't. |
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