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Old 12th April 2019, 04:38 PM   #1
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5 year old thrown off 3 story balcony in the Mall of America

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/ma...own/index.html

A 3 year old boy is in the hospital with life threatening injuries after several witness report him being dropped or thrown over a 3 story railing.

A 24 year old man is in custody. The police have stated there is no clear motive and that child and man are not related and seemed to have no prior interactions.
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Old 12th April 2019, 05:31 PM   #2
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Jeez. I hope the guy was trying to save the kid and it just looks bad.
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From 3rd floor to first is only a two story fall. But I guess "from the 3rd floor" has more impact.

I wish the kid luck, and I too hope some witness or cameras turn up, saying the guy tried to save him.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
From 3rd floor to first is only a two story fall. But I guess "from the 3rd floor" has more impact.

I wish the kid luck, and I too hope some witness or cameras turn up, saying the guy tried to save him.
Not likely given his history. More likely the perp's mentally ill and no one intervened when maybe they should have.

I also hope modern medicine and the rapid EMS response results in a good outcome for the poor kid.
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Old 12th April 2019, 11:15 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post

A 3 year old boy
Just posting because the thread title was right and the boy was 5 years old (according to the article anyway).
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From 3rd floor to first is only a two story fall. But I guess "from the 3rd floor" has more impact.
Keep in mind that malls have unusually large distances between floors--I'm guessing 16-18 feet minimum, and maybe even 20 feet. He may have fallen from the equivalent of about the fifth story of an office building.
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Astonished the child wasn't killed instantly.
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Astonished the child wasn't killed instantly.
I feel really, really bad for having this train of thought but I sort of wonder if he kind of was.

The events described say that CPR was being performed on the child by bystanders after the fall and all discussion of his condition have been very vague and described only as "life threatening."

I wonder if the kid is dead for all practical purposes but is on life support so everyone can say goodbye and we'll see a "Family has decided to take the child off life support" kind of statement in the upcoming days.
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ETA: I don't know where everybody is hailing from so if this is a factor but American's number floors/stories differently then Brits and a lot of other countries do.

In American Ground Floor / First Story are the same thing. It's a straight numerical numbering as opposed to Ground Floor then 1st, 2nd, 3rd...
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Man accused of throwing a child at the Mall of America had been banned from the site in the past

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Court records obtained by CNN affiliate WCCO show that in July 2015, he was charged with causing damage inside stores after he threw items off the upper level of the mall to the lower level.

Months later, in October of that same year, he was accused of throwing glasses of ice water and tea at a woman in a restaurant at the mall after she refused to buy him food, the records show. In that incident, he got into a physical scuffle with the manager of the restaurant, sending panicked diners fleeing, court records show.

In an unrelated incident in August of the same year, witnesses saw Aranda smashing computers on the floor in the Minneapolis library, causing approximately $5,000 in damage, according to a 2015 complaint.
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/ma...ues/index.html
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Here is a large interior photograph to give a sense of height. The uppermost floor is designated as Level 4.

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/newsc...083d3d693d.jpg
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Man accused of throwing a child at the Mall of America had been banned from the site in the past



CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/ma...ues/index.html
This begs the question, why was this nut allowed to roam free in the first place?
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This begs the question, why was this nut allowed to roam free in the first place?
Better asked of the ACLU.

If we could warehouse the whackos, we wouldn't have the homeless problems in our west coast cities.
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Better asked of the ACLU.

If we could warehouse the whackos, we wouldn't have the homeless problems in our west coast cities.
I tend to agree, but warehousing the dangerously mentally ill isn't free.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Man accused of throwing a child at the Mall of America had been banned from the site in the past



CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/ma...ues/index.html
God that is creepy. Like horror movie creepy that dropping things is his thing.
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I tend to agree, but warehousing the dangerously mentally ill isn't free.
Isn't mental health covered by Obamacare? Oh, you mean somebody has to pay for Universal Health Care? Ok, lets start with mental health.
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Better asked of the ACLU.

If we could warehouse the whackos, we wouldn't have the homeless problems in our west coast cities.
Almost certainly treating them would be cheaper than locking them up*. But this assumes a health care system that would deliver long term therapy and supervision to those with chronic mental illness.

*and more humane.
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Better asked of the ACLU.

If we could warehouse the whackos, we wouldn't have the homeless problems in our west coast cities.
I tend to agree, but warehousing the dangerously mentally ill isn't free.

Warehousing them OR treating them.

You've gone right to the crux of the problem. It wasn't the ACLU that put mentally ill people on the streets with little or no treatment alternatives.

It was GOP pols looking for budget cuts to fund their Welfare For The Wealthy programs.
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CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/ma...own/index.html

A 3 year old boy is in the hospital with life threatening injuries after several witness report him being dropped or thrown over a 3 story railing.

A 24 year old man is in custody. The police have stated there is no clear motive and that child and man are not related and seemed to have no prior interactions.
The kid was five years old. Not that it matters one way or another but the kid was white and the perpetrator was black. Let's not call attention to that because doing so might perpetuate the wrong kind of racial divisiveness.
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The kid was five years old. Not that it matters one way or another but the kid was white and the perpetrator was black. Let's not call attention to that because doing so might perpetuate the wrong kind of racial divisiveness.
We don't need to, you've done a fine job of it yourself.
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Keep in mind that malls have unusually large distances between floors--I'm guessing 16-18 feet minimum, and maybe even 20 feet. He may have fallen from the equivalent of about the fifth story of an office building.
Plus the height of the guard barrier. On to what looks like a marble floor.

Definitely not something to be trivialized.
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The kid was five years old. Not that it matters one way or another but the kid was white and the perpetrator was black. Let's not call attention to that because doing so might perpetuate the wrong kind of racial divisiveness.

If it doesn't matter, then why are you saying it?
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Would you rather throw a five year of off a third story balcony, or a fifteen year old off a one story balcony, or a 60 year down one step, or a used condom from the roof of the Empire State Building?
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I think we need to do a better job of identifying dangerous mentally ill from the non-dangerous. That seems to be the crux IMO.

The family want's privacy and is not allowing a status update be given to the news. At least one report said they were doing CPR on the boy at the mall. A relative said he was alive and fighting.

Reading between those lines I can only think he is brain dead. I hope I'm wrong. This is so sad.
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I just want to say that, having written "dangerously mentally ill" upthread, I don't want to stigmatize the mentally ill. Most mentally ill people aren't dangerous to themselves or anyone else. Those who are need to be better identified and dealt with before they harm anyone, including themselves.

Hell, I have my own mental health issues. Fortunately, my issues have never caused danger to anyone including myself, and with some assistance I've been able to deal with them.
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Keep in mind that malls have unusually large distances between floors--I'm guessing 16-18 feet minimum, and maybe even 20 feet. He may have fallen from the equivalent of about the fifth story of an office building.
MOA is just minutes from my house and while I try to avoid it, I have been there more than a few times. The floor height at MOA is substantial. It's a huge drop from the 3rd floor, more akin to the 4th or maybe even 5th floor in an apartment block. I don't even like looking over the railing from there.
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If it had been a white adult male who did this to a 5 year old black boy, racial animus would be assumed on its face and so I think that it should be assumed here as well.
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If it had been a white adult male who did this to a 5 year old black boy, racial animus would be assumed on its face and so I think that it should be assumed here as well.

Um, why? There's no evidence of a racial motivation. Why should we believe an unevidenced assertion?

Maybe it's true that a white adult and a black child would be seen immediately as a race crime. That doesn't mean the such an assumption is correct. It's wrong until evidence shows otherwise.

You're saying: Since some people might make an illogical assumption in one case, we're required to always make illogical assumptions in all cases.

And that's just illogical.
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There are some weird right-wing talking points being injected into this thread.
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This begs the question, why was this nut allowed to roam free in the first place?
Raises the question.*

Who would have detained this man? On what grounds? For how long?
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Better asked of the ACLU.

If we could warehouse the whackos, we wouldn't have the homeless problems in our west coast cities.
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Almost certainly treating them would be cheaper than locking them up*. But this assumes a health care system that would deliver long term therapy and supervision to those with chronic mental illness.

*and more humane.
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Warehousing them OR treating them.

You've gone right to the crux of the problem. It wasn't the ACLU that put mentally ill people on the streets with little or no treatment alternatives.

It was GOP pols looking for budget cuts to fund their Welfare For The Wealthy programs.
Both really. Its near impossible to get the mentally ill treated if they don't want it, and they often don't.

There were to things that lead to the US effectively abandoning the mentally ill. A long series of abuses in mental health facilities and a lack of desire to pay for treatment.
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There are some weird right-wing talking points being injected into this thread.
If the capital gains tax were eliminated everyone would be wealthier and shop at expensive boutiques instead of malls so this wouldn't have happened.
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If the capital gains tax were eliminated everyone would be wealthier and shop at expensive boutiques instead of malls so this wouldn't have happened.
yep, there would be so much trickle-down that you would always fall into a pool of liquid.
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If the capital gains tax were eliminated everyone would be wealthier and shop at expensive boutiques instead of malls so this wouldn't have happened.
The man's deranged behavior is clearly the result of his mother attempting to abort him when he was seven years old.
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Not that it matters one way or another but the kid was white and the perpetrator was black. Let's not call attention to that because doing so might perpetuate the wrong kind of racial divisiveness.
Sounds to me like it matters to you.
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Daily Mail reports that he told police that he went to the mall with the intention of killing someone as revenge for years of going there and being rejected by women. He killed because he never got anywhere when trying to pick up women.

His uncle says he has had serious mental illness since childhood.
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Daily Mail reports that he told police that he went to the mall with the intention of killing someone as revenge for years of going there and being rejected by women. He killed because he never got anywhere when trying to pick up women.

His uncle says he has had serious mental illness since childhood.
Has the child died?
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Has the child died?
No. He is in intensive care with head trauma and broken bones.
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Both really. Its near impossible to get the mentally ill treated if they don't want it, and they often don't.

I reccomend No One Cares About Crazy People for a very readable explanation of the failures of our system to adequately address mental health, as well as for the heartbreaking story of the author's loss of his son to schizophrenia.


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If the capital gains tax were eliminated everyone would be wealthier and shop at expensive boutiques instead of malls so this wouldn't have happened.

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I reccomend No One Cares About Crazy People for a very readable explanation of the failures of our system to adequately address mental health, as well as for the heartbreaking story of the author's loss of his son to schizophrenia.





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