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Old 14th March 2019, 08:14 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
What's the source on that quote?
What quote? I'm saying it's a terrorist attack. It is clearly as much one as someone driving a van into a bunch of people, and it's a hate crime because it's targeted again one class of people. That it was planned and had multiple attackers, what else would you call it?

That and the gunman's own manifesto says "it is a terrorist attack."

ETA: since it was clarified, it was from the Gunman's manifesto from the NZ Herald.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:14 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I have seen what is apparently their Twitter

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Link?

Anyway, sorry to hear this, NZ. I hope they find the guy ASAP and there are no more deaths.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:15 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
NZ Herald says...



So his manifesto is online and that's where that quote comes from?
I wasn't going to speculate.
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9 confirmed dead, but reports are saying 27-30 is the likely death toll. This is going to be worse that Aramoana.

Parts of me can't believe this, this sort of thing just doesn't happen here.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:20 PM   #45
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Caught him alive. He chose to face the consequences rather than to also be dead.
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Waiting for the usual pro gun suspects to come running saying...

"See, see, strong gun laws don't stop this stuff from happening"
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:22 PM   #47
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Caught him alive. He chose to face the consequences rather than to also be dead.
It really pisses me off that a foreigner would come into our country and shoot our fellow countrymen and women. I'm all for deporting him back to Australia being dragged behind a very slow boat.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:22 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
What quote? I'm saying it's a terrorist attack. It is clearly as much one as someone driving a van into a bunch of people, and it's a hate crime because it's targeted again one class of people. That it was planned and had multiple attackers, what else would you call it?

That and the gunman's own manifesto says "it is a terrorist attack."

ETA: since it was clarified, it was from the Gunman's manifesto from the NZ Herald.
Yeah, we're cross-posting Thanks.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:23 PM   #49
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Waiting for the usual pro gun suspects to come running saying...

"See, see, strong gun laws don't stop this stuff from happening"
If they do, make sure to let them know that NZ does not have bans similar to Australia, nor any centralized gun registry.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
It really pisses me off that a foreigner would come into our country and shoot our fellow countrymen and women. I'm all for deporting him back to Australia being dragged behind a very slow boat.
I agree. Send him back to us. You shouldn't have to deal with him.
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I have a feeling this kind of stuff will get worse once we have the hundred million or so predicted climate refugess in the coming decades.
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Appears the gunman live-streamed his action with a chest-mounted go-pro. I'm not going to look it up. Sicko.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:34 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
This is one attacker?
Appears to be. Still very little info, but in custody.

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Worse day since Aramoana
Already referenced that one.

He should beat Aramoana alright. Might be the worst day since the Featherston massacre of Japanese POWs.

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Caught him alive. He chose to face the consequences rather than to also be dead.
Well, he knows he's not going to get the death penalty, being up for a maximum of about 50 years on recent sentencing history.

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Appears the gunman live-streamed his action with a chest-mounted go-pro. I'm not going to look it up. Sicko.
If it was Farcebook, as suggested, it'll be up until next week, so no hurry.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:42 PM   #55
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What we know so far:

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Multiple people have been shot dead in shootings at two mosques in theNew Zealand city of Christchurch during Friday afternoon prayers. A car with explosives inside was intercepted by police nearby
One suspect is in custody but police warned they are still tracing an active shooter. Police commissioner Mike Bush said: “Close your doors until you hear from us again.”
The prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, said it was “One of New Zealand’s darkest days”, calling the attacks “an unprecedented act of violence”.
The city has been placed in lockdown, with schools and public buildings closed. Nearby climate change protests were evacuated and council staff have been looking after children separated from their relatives in the chaos.
Ardern spoke of the attacker’s motivation, saying the victims might include refugees and migrants. “They are us,” she said, before saying the perpetrator “has no place in New Zealand”.
Witness Len Peneha says he saw a man dressed in black enter the mosque – believed to have hundreds of people inside – and then heard dozens of shots. He says he also saw the gunman flee before emergency services arrived
source, again.
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He had "this is for ....." on this rifle. I couldn't read the bottom part as it was out of view of the shooter's camera.
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Crikey, the site of the mosque at the centre of the attack is next to Hagley Park.

I hope the cricket's ok for tomorrow.
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He had "this is for ....." on this rifle. I couldn't read the bottom part as it was out of view of the shooter's camera.
His equipment appeared to have the names of some victims of Islamic terror attacks, as well as the names of some anti-Islamic terror attackers (from what I've read), written on them. The number "14" appears a number of times as well, and would seem to be a reference to a popular white-supremacist slogan known as "the 14 words".
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I think he said, "remember lads....to subscribe to PewDiePie" minutes before he entered the Mosque. (Having a hard time deciphering his Kiwi accent.)
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I think he said, "remember lads....to subscribe to PewDiePie" minutes before he entered the Mosque. (Having a hard time deciphering his Kiwi accent.)
Because he is Australian. You are listening wrong.
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Police are aware there is extremely distressing footage relating to the incident in Christchurch circulating online. We would strongly urge that the link not be shared. We are working to have any footage removed.
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His equipment appeared to have the names of some victims of Islamic terror attacks, as well as the names of some anti-Islamic terror attackers (from what I've read), written on them. The number "14" appears a number of times as well, and would seem to be a reference to a popular white-supremacist slogan known as "the 14 words".
"kebab remover" was written on there.
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Waiting for the usual pro gun suspects to come running saying...

"See, see, strong gun laws don't stop this stuff from happening"
The first article I saw of this was from the Denver Post. There is exactly one comment on the article right now:

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But how could this possibly happen when NZ has strict gun laws, and we've been told over and over that mass shootings only happen in "GunAmerica"?
This really sucks. NZ seems like one of the nicest places on earth - literally. Beautiful temperate climate, good environmental stewardship, sane governance, reasonably low population density, good standard of living.... Most of the kiwis I have ever met were complete lunatics, but in the good sort of way.

It sucks to see such a bad thing happen in such an otherwise nice place. (I mean, it would suck anywhere, but one just does not expect this sort of thing there.)

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Link?

Anyway, sorry to hear this, NZ. I hope they find the guy ASAP and there are no more deaths.
Id prefer not to give the scum any free air time.

Both it and his video of doing are pretty hard NOT to find on Twitter atm
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Rumour seems to be 5-9 shooters
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I watched his video. He killed virtually every person in that first mosque. I would estimate around 30-60 dead at that mosque. Then he walked out shooting anybody nearby on the sidewalk. Then sped away in his car shooting at people as he drove past them. Shot out his own windshield and side window with a pump shotgun.

Then kept driving maybe to the next mosque. That 17 minute video ends before he goes to any other location.
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Rumour seems to be 5-9 shooters
Only one shooter at the mosque that I saw on video. The one guy killed everyone himself and then drove away. He still had lots more guns and ammo as if he was going to shoot more elsewhere. Also his car had numerous gasoline cans inside.
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A friend of mine has just rung to say that armed police here in Nelson have just turned up at his mosque.
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If they do, make sure to let them know that NZ does not have bans similar to Australia, nor any centralized gun registry.
My condolences to the victims.

NZ will probably go for much tighter laws now.

What a nutcase.

This will only make everything he supposedly hates, worse.
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I watched his video. He killed virtually every person in that first mosque. I would estimate around 30-60 dead at that mosque. Then he walked out shooting anybody nearby on the sidewalk. Then sped away in his car shooting at people as he drove past them. Shot out his own windshield and side window with a pump shotgun.

Then kept driving maybe to the next mosque. That 17 minute video ends before he goes to any other location.
Wow...

Well I won't watch it.
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My condolences to the victims.

NZ will probably go for much tighter laws now.

What a nutcase.

This will only make everything he supposedly hates, worse.
Not really. If the reports I have heard are true, then he would have had to have had the weapon illegally, stricter gun laws won't prevent that because criminals don't pay attention to the laws anyways. There will be a big investigation as to how he got the weapons, and more people could be going to jail based on that.
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He was very thorough about not leaving anyone alive. People had cowered in groups of dozens and he shot every single one of them. Then came back multiple times looking for body movement or moaning which he would shoot at again.
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Live news - Four people in custody. Three men and one woman.


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Four people are in custody

Police have four people in custody.

"We are not aware of other people, but we cannot assume there are not others at large," said Police Commissioner Mike Bush.
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He had at least 6 rifles and shotguns in his car, all ready to go and tons of ammunition. All of the shooting could be from this one guy. He was a crazed beast listening to rock music in his car while he blasted innocent people.

It was like watching some kind of computer game or Hollywood movie. This can't be real - it seems scripted and nobody gets out alive. But damn, it is real.
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They still seem to be avoiding the T word.
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Four in custody? My God, if those other three were as deadly as this video guy then you have well over a hundred dead.
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Not really. If the reports I have heard are true, then he would have had to have had the weapon illegally, stricter gun laws won't prevent that because criminals don't pay attention to the laws anyways. There will be a big investigation as to how he got the weapons, and more people could be going to jail based on that.
Do you know what was illegal about him having the weapons?

Other sites are reporting that there may have been some return fire by citizens?
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Three men, one woman in custody
Police Commissioner Mike Bush said the four in custody were believed to be three men and one woman.
He said the situation was still fast moving.
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