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Old 14th April 2019, 12:19 PM   #401
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Only the type of people who fell bad about other people being allowed to marry same-sex partners, have an abortion or -gasp- refuse to join their religion.

Most people are glad to know that people in their country probably won't starve.
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Old 14th April 2019, 02:32 PM   #402
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Only the type of people who fell bad about other people being allowed to marry same-sex partners, have an abortion or -gasp- refuse to join their religion.

Most people are glad to know that people in their country probably won't starve.
Is starving really an issue among the poor? I thought we were facing an obesity crisis.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:42 PM   #403
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
Is starving really an issue among the poor? I thought we were facing an obesity crisis.
"Food uncertainty."
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Old 14th April 2019, 04:35 PM   #404
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During the years I was raising my kids alone, we often depended on food banks. The usual scenario was getting a small amount of canned tuna and/or peanut butter, some canned or fresh vegetables, depending on season, and all the starch you could carry. Bread, rice, pasta and stale doughnuts & pastries were usually unlimited.

You may not be literally starving on a diet like that, but you can certainly end up with multiple dietary deficiencies and fat at the same time, especially since for half the year the canned vegetables are mostly pumpkin puree and the canned fruits are cranberry jelly. Food banks are drowning in that stuff.

And that's in an area where you can visit the food bank every week. Some areas you're limited to 2-4 visits a year.

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Old 14th April 2019, 05:10 PM   #405
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Food uncertainty."
I live here:

https://wreg.com/2017/10/06/memphis-...ate-in-nation/
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The 2016 poverty rate is 26.9 % and the child poverty rate is even worse at 44.7 % in Memphis.

"What that means and I want you to think about it, is that when you see a child walking down the street, when you see a child, there`s a 50-50 chance, there is yes, no, that that child is living in poverty."
And some of the kids in the city are actually malnourished to the point where you can see their ribs. The parents of those kids are also way too skinny.
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Old 14th April 2019, 05:11 PM   #406
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Originally Posted by deadrose View Post
During the years I was raising my kids alone, we often depended on food banks. The usual scenario was getting a small amount of canned tuna and/or peanut butter, some canned or fresh vegetables, depending on season, and all the starch you could carry. Bread, rice, pasta and stale doughnuts & pastries were usually unlimited.

You may not be literally starving on a diet like that, but you can certainly end up with multiple dietary deficiencies and fat at the same time, especially since for half the year the canned vegetables are mostly pumpkin puree and the canned fruits are cranberry jelly. Food banks are drowning in that stuff.

And that's in an area where you can visit the food bank every week. Some areas you're limited to 2-4 visits a year.
The food banks here are just perpetually empty, because of the extraordinary poverty level.
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Old 15th April 2019, 08:58 AM   #407
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Originally Posted by Chanakya View Post
Lazy ass? Strawman, surely? A judgmental begging-the-issue strawman at that?



Who are we to judge another's motivations?



UBI is simply a form of income redistribution, ideally flowing from the top to the bottom. It is no more than an additional support to those that might find it of use.



If some choose to use it to sustain themselves and not work, well, I can appreciate an economic argument against that stance (I suppose it boils down to a projection of how many might choose to opt out), but not a moral one.
I view it slightly different not about income distribution from top to bottom but preventing or at least slowing down of income flowing bottom to the top. At the moment our systems work by wealth flowing from the bottom upwards. (If you accept the metaphor that more wealth represent the "UP").
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Old 15th April 2019, 09:50 AM   #408
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I view it slightly different not about income distribution from top to bottom but preventing or at least slowing down of income flowing bottom to the top. At the moment our systems work by wealth flowing from the bottom upwards. (If you accept the metaphor that more wealth represent the "UP").
"Upwards redistribution" is what it's actually called in the academic literature.

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