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Old 15th April 2019, 10:36 AM   #1
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Notre-Dame de Paris - cathedral on fire!

World-famous church suffering a massive fire in roof and spire. Live coverage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbmWOfdXcQ

Apparently, there is renovation going on, scaffolding is visible above the roof.
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Old 15th April 2019, 10:43 AM   #2
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Damned, this beauty is suffering badly. Spire is fully involved, I am sure there will be some collapse
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And now the spire HAS collapsed!
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Well, ****.
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Terrible. Since there was scaffolding around the area, I suspect a repeat of what happened at Roskilde Cathedral in 1968, where casual use of open flame in a area filled with bonedry wooden structure, resulted in exactly the same outcome, a massive fire:



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On Twitter - #NotreDame

https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Well, ****.
Indeed. I'm not religious, but I hate to see stuff happen to history like this.

The spire still seems to be up, however.

ETA: Apparently stale video, they've replayed it collapsing.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Not before I can visit the thing!

But seriously, that Cathedral is a national monument. Dammit!

ETA: And as usual, Trump had something stupid to say about it.
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Oh wow, this is an inferno.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
The spire still seems to be up, however.

ETA: Apparently stale video, they've replayed it collapsing.
https://twitter.com/Invisible_DE/sta...50532230696961
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Announcer on that CBS feed a few moments ago: "This is a tragedy for all French people, whether they are Christians or Catholic."
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I'm headed there in 32 days. it couldn't have waited 32 days? <outrage>

But seriously, this is very very sad.
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this is horrible.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Announcer on that CBS feed a few moments ago: "This is a tragedy for all French people, whether they are Christians or Catholic."
Tragedies like this always bring out the best in people.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Announcer on that CBS feed a few moments ago: "This is a tragedy for all French people, whether they are Christians or Catholic."
Well yeah, but I bet he looked great while he was saying it!

ETA: Shame to see damage like this to any historic building.
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One thing a lot of people don't realize is that in an event like this, the stone it's built from loses its structural integrity. This is really bad.
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France is the top tourist destination in the world
Paris is the top destination in France
Notre Dame is the top tourist attraction in France.

You can hardly get any more prominent.

Notre Dame is literally the center of France - distances to other places are measured from a stone right in front of the church's main portal.

Interesting bit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-..._and_the_Spire
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The original spire was constructed in the 13th century, probably between 1220 and 1230. It was battered, weakened and bent by the wind over five centuries, and finally was removed in 1786. During the 19th century restoration, Eugčne Viollet-le-Duc decided to recreate it, making a new version of oak covered with lead.
The spire that was just destroyed at least isn't that ancient, and it burned so vigorously because it was made of wood, not stone.
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One thing a lot of people don't realize is that in an event like this, the stone it's built from loses its structural integrity. This is really bad.
Yep. Looking at the current vids from the site it does not look like there will be too much salvageable. Lots of valuable artwork will be lost along with the iconic building.
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Currently reporting no deaths or injuries. That is good news.
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it's a very strange feeling when something that has existed through the ages gets destroyed before your eyes.
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Most of the flammable material is in the roof, heat rises, so it is not clear to mee that TOO much of the stone structure will deteriorate due to heat. But of course the roof is important to the structural integrity, or so I'd assume.

Among the most famous, and most important, details are the rose windows of stained glass, the three big ones being originals, 750+ years old. I see no chance to salvage any part of the north and south rose
The west rose, almost 800 years old - perhaps they manage to keep that cool enough along with the towers themselves...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-...4_rose_windows
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The roof appears to be mostly or entirely gone.
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So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!
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Has anyone ever read Victor Hugo's novel "Notre Dame de Paris" (as opposed to watching a "Hunchback of Notre Dame" movie)?

It is essentially a big love letter to gothic architecture, and the value of preserving historic monuments. I read a translation many (like 30?) years ago - one of the most memorable books I ever read. I still feel Hugo's passion. It hurts today.
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Too soon for any of you to jump to conclusions about the state of the stone and so on. Trust me on this.



It certainly looks worse than York Minster, which was at least contains to one transept. A sad day indeed.
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So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!
He knows more about firefighting than anyone, right?
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Currently reporting no deaths or injuries. That is good news.
I'm going to sound like an asshat but I would've traded a few lives to keep this priceless, timeless artpiece. Generations have looked to this building as an important piece of history.
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it's a very strange feeling when something that has existed through the ages gets destroyed before your eyes.
I get your point, but "through the ages" is a bit misleading. It's only been about 900 years since construction started. Not much older than Oxford University, or Tenochtitlan.
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I hope they will manage to save as much as possible. But still, a staggering amount of irreplaceable history is going up in flames as we watch.

Surviving untold civil wars, a revolution, 2 world wars only to be destroyed by an error in renovations
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On CBSN, they are saying that the roof has collapsed completely, and there is now fire everywhere inside the church.

Difficult to imagine that fire fighters could or would be inside now to attack the blaze. Very depressing.
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If only they had raked the floor...


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Has anyone ever read Victor Hugo's novel "Notre Dame de Paris" (as opposed to watching a "Hunchback of Notre Dame" movie)?

It is essentially a big love letter to gothic architecture, and the value of preserving historic monuments. I read a translation many (like 30?) years ago - one of the most memorable books I ever read. I still feel Hugo's passion. It hurts today.

I did. I also visited the place around 30 years ago when I was an insufferable teenager. I thought it was overrated. As sad as it is to see this historical monument suffer, my advice to Micron is that he shouldn't try to use it to stop what is planned for May 1st (making him eat cake).
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I get your point, but "through the ages" is a bit misleading. It's only been about 900 years since construction started.
So only the middle ages, the renaissance, the age of discovery, the age of enlightenment, the age of revolutions, the victorian age and the modern age.

I think those count as "ages", plural.
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Very sad. Definitely ND is in the top hundred best cathedrals of France. My art history snobbery leads to to suspect many if not most of the foreign bereaved cannot actually name a second cathedral in France.
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Yes, definitely worse than York Minster.. Although that was bad too.



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So only the middle ages, the renaissance, the age of discovery, the age of enlightenment, the age of revolutions, the victorian age and the modern age.

I think those count as "ages", plural.
Eh. I take a somewhat longer view, I guess.
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Very sad. Definitely ND is in the top hundred best cathedrals of France. My art history snobbery leads to to suspect many if not most of the foreign bereaved cannot actually name a second cathedral in France.

Chartres. Want more?
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Very sad. Definitely ND is in the top hundred best cathedrals of France. My art history snobbery leads to to suspect many if not most of the foreign bereaved cannot actually name a second cathedral in France.
Reims.

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Eh. I take a somewhat longer view, I guess.
The building's 900 years old, man. Concede the point.
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I'm going to sound like an asshat but I would've traded a few lives to keep this priceless, timeless artpiece. Generations have looked to this building as an important piece of history.
I understand what you are saying, but it wouldn't have been a trade. It would just mean that we had lost lives along with the building and contents.
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