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Old 3rd April 2020, 04:31 PM   #2601
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It's like Trumpublicans read 1984 and decided that it was Utopian.

“Read”? Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence!
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Old 3rd April 2020, 04:46 PM   #2602
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
At the moment, here in the US... it looks like the military assistance - hospital ships and tent hospitals - are being limited to helping people who do not have coronavirus. That means that only those who test negative might be transferred to them.

In practice, that means that, as of last check, they were helping about 15 people total for the NYC situation. That number should grow a bit as testing continues to ramp up, but... *sigh*
You are suggesting without COVID only 15 people would be in NY hospitals?

I don't think you are looking at this correctly.

I am all for not letting COVID on that ship. The staff live in very close quarters.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 04:47 PM   #2603
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
“Read”? Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence!
Hmm? Here's a crazy fact about "conservatives." The smarter and more highly educated they are, the more likely they are to believe conspiracy theories. On a related note, "conservatives" tend to score much higher in the Dark Triad - Machiavellianism, Narcissism, and Sociopathy - than liberals. So, in short, expecting them to actually try to hold themselves to the standards that many here would rate as "decent human being" is a fool's gambit. Many are decent human beings in most ways, of course, but it's not something that can be counted upon at all.

With that said, let's be completely serious here. Conservatives are very frequently not actually dumb or uneducated so much as arrogant and amoral (ETA: and are far too likely to believe that everyone else is like them or wishes that they were like them, hence the effectiveness of appealing to projection in their propaganda).
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Old 3rd April 2020, 04:49 PM   #2604
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
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Is Trump still planning on deploying U.S. military to the northern border? I don't see anything in the news more recent then last week when this 'plan' first came to light. With Trump, you never know. Since he doesn't seem to know what's he going to do from moment-to-moment, how can anyone else?
Doubtful given the negative reaction and all he was probably trying to do was pretend sending troops to the southern border wasn't really about brown people.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 04:53 PM   #2605
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You are suggesting without COVID only 15 people would be in NY hospitals?
No, and I have little idea how you arrived at that interpretation from what was actually said. I'm saying that, currently, the presence of military assets to help with the situation is show, not substance. Having 1000 extra available hospital beds, of which 15 of them are being used, is not much real help when people are dying in large numbers and the hospitals are being stretched to their limits, while being largely unable to take advantage of those extra beds. I saw some indication that they're likely changing the rules for who can be cared for a bit, but... currently, it's still show, not substance.

ETA: 20, now, for the Comfort, incidentally.

Navy Hospital Ship Sits Mostly Empty As Coronavirus Cripples New York
Only 20 of the USNS Comfort’s 1,000 beds have been filled, but new guidelines issued Friday could allow for more non-COVID-positive patients to make it aboard.


Also, at last check, the ground-based military temporary hospitals were working under similar guidelines and usage numbers, rendering them similarly in a position of show, not substance.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:19 PM   #2606
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
“Read”? Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence!
They saw the movie.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:21 PM   #2607
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
No, and I have little idea how you arrived at that interpretation from what was actually said. I'm saying that, currently, the presence of military assets to help with the situation is show, not substance. Having 1000 extra available hospital beds, of which 15 of them are being used, is not much real help when people are dying in large numbers and the hospitals are being stretched to their limits, while being largely unable to take advantage of those extra beds. I saw some indication that they're likely changing the rules for who can be cared for a bit, but... currently, it's still show, not substance.

ETA: 20, now, for the Comfort, incidentally.

Navy Hospital Ship Sits Mostly Empty As Coronavirus Cripples New York
Only 20 of the USNS Comfort’s 1,000 beds have been filled, but new guidelines issued Friday could allow for more non-COVID-positive patients to make it aboard.


Also, at last check, the ground-based military temporary hospitals were working under similar guidelines and usage numbers, rendering them similarly in a position of show, not substance.
I suspect you are expecting a different timeline. Give it a week or so to get people moved and for the ships and field hospitals to take in new admissions.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:25 PM   #2608
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They saw the movie.
They should have watched 'Contagion' instead.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:26 PM   #2609
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Citation Needed, but my wife was watching the afternoon presser. He said shelves were bare at the end of the last administration and the US military had no ammunition. Can someone verify? I value my brain cells too much to even look.

ETA: Ok, I looked.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:38 PM   #2610
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I suspect you are expecting a different timeline. Give it a week or so to get people moved and for the ships and field hospitals to take in new admissions.


Refer back a moment to -

Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
At the moment, here in the US... it looks like the military assistance - hospital ships and tent hospitals - are being limited to helping people who do not have coronavirus. That means that only those who test negative might be transferred to them.

In practice, that means that, as of last check, they were helping about 15 people total for the NYC situation. That number should grow a bit as testing continues to ramp up, but... *sigh*
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:41 PM   #2611
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Citation Needed, but my wife was watching the afternoon presser. He said shelves were bare at the end of the last administration and the US military had no ammunition. Can someone verify? I value my brain cells too much to even look.

ETA: Ok, I looked.
The man is incoherent.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 05:53 PM   #2612
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Trump Tweets

GREAT news this week regarding the Keystone XL Pipeline – moving forward with fantastic paying CONSTRUCTION jobs for hardworking Americans. Promises Made, Promises Kept! #MAGA

Highly respected Justice Daniel Kelly is running for the Supreme Court in the Great State of Wisconsin. Justice Kelly has been doing a terrific job upholding the Rule of Law and defending your #2A. Tough on Crime, Loves our Military and our Vets. He has my Complete Endorsement!
Blah blah... Crime, 2A, Military, Vets... blah blah. The usual copy/paste drivel from the Chief Moron.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 06:02 PM   #2613
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Citation Needed, but my wife was watching the afternoon presser. He said shelves were bare at the end of the last administration and the US military had no ammunition. Can someone verify? I value my brain cells too much to even look.

ETA: Ok, I looked.
Trump's typical response to any question he doesn't like if he thinks it criticizes him in any way is to attack the reporter.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 06:11 PM   #2614
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Highly respected Justice Daniel Kelly is running for the Supreme Court in the Great State of Wisconsin. Justice Kelly has been doing a terrific job upholding the Rule of Law and defending your #2A. Tough on Crime, Loves our Military and our Vets. He has my Complete Endorsement!
I wondered who this Justice Kelly was, so i looked up his Wikipedia page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel...isconsin_judge)
In 2014, Kelly wrote in "John Rawls and Christian Social Engagement: Justice as Unfairness" that slavery and affirmative action were, under the law, morally the same.

Just remember how much Trump supports minorities.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 06:25 PM   #2615
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At the briefing

Jonathan Karl: Cuomo says NY may be days away from running out of ventilators. Can you assure NY that they will have the ventilators they need?

TRUMP: No. They should've had more ventilators at the time. They should've had more ventilators.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 06:29 PM   #2616
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No wonder Trump likes D. Kelly:
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Even before that, Kelly’s campaign made a stronger accusation in a March 3, 2020 email sent to supporters, in which Kelly claimed: "Judge Karofsky* and her radical liberal allies want to disarm law abiding citizens."
*Kelly's election opponent

Politifact judge it Mostly False:

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Our definition of Mostly False is a "statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression."

That fits here.
This is why I detest most political campaign ads; they're usually misleading or just plain lying.
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Fauci absent from today's breifing;a bunch of rumors that Jared wants to get rid of him.
If Fauci is fired, it will c reate a crisis of confidence like this country has never seen since the civil war.
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Old 3rd April 2020, 06:46 PM   #2618
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At the briefing

Jonathan Karl: Cuomo says NY may be days away from running out of ventilators. Can you assure NY that they will have the ventilators they need?

TRUMP: No. They should've had more ventilators at the time. They should've had more ventilators.
Trump's lies are piling up. He has claimed he inherited a broken system and the warehouses where the stockpile of ventilators, masks, etc were kept were "empty". In fact, they were not:

Factcheck.org:

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More than once, President Donald Trump has falsely claimed that the federal stockpile of emergency medicine and supplies he inherited from his predecessor was an “empty shelf.”

While the government does not publicize all of the contents of the repository, at the time Trump took office, the Strategic National Stockpile, as it is formally known, reportedly contained vast amounts of materials that state and local health officials could use during an emergency, including vaccines, antiviral drugs, ventilators and protective gear for doctors and nurses.

“The SNS was definitely not an empty shell,” Dr. Tara O’Toole, a former homeland security official during the Obama administration who is now executive vice president at the nonprofit strategic investment firm In-Q-Tel, told us in an email.
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But NPR science correspondent Nell Greenfieldboyce was allowed to visit one facility in June 2016 — only months before Trump was inaugurated in January 2017. In her article about the warehouse she toured, she described the shelves as being the opposite of bare.

Greenfieldboyce, for NPR, June 26, 2016: The Strategic National Stockpile got its start back in 1999, with a budget of about $50 million. Since then, even though the details aren’t public, it’s clear that it has amassed an incredible array of countermeasures against possible security threats.

The inventory includes millions of doses of vaccines against bioterrorism agents like smallpox, antivirals in case of a deadly flu pandemic, medicines used to treat radiation sickness and burns, chemical agent antidotes, wound care supplies, IV fluids and antibiotics.

Just outside it, there are rows upon rows of ventilators that could keep sick or injured people breathing. Mabry explains that they’re kept in a constant state of readiness. “If you look down to the side you’ll see there’s electrical outlets so they can be charged once a month,” she says. Not only that—the ventilators get sent out for yearly maintenance.
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They saw the movie.
Trump just saw the cut with all the action bits.
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Wonder if we will see a tweet about a tremendous government support package for all businesses owning at least 3 golf resorts, a hotel in DC, a tower in Chicago and the name starts with a T and ends with a P.
He might fantasize about something like that during commercials on Fox but Pelosi will stomp on anything like that in an instant.
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At the moment, here in the US... it looks like the military assistance - hospital ships and tent hospitals - are being limited to helping people who do not have coronavirus. That means that only those who test negative might be transferred to them.

In practice, that means that, as of last check, they were helping about 15 people total for the NYC situation. That number should grow a bit as testing continues to ramp up, but... *sigh*
Only 15!!! people in hospitals for non-virus reasons? That don't compute.
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Here in Norway, there was an uproar when they considered closing the state-run liquor stores. Because alcohol is a neccessity, apparently.
I always just assumed the alcohol was necessary to keep your blood from freezing. That *would* make it a necessity.
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I always thought that Trump was jealous of Jared for his relationship with Ivanka.
I'm starting to think that Ivanka is jealous of Trump for his relationship with her husband.
Idle speculation: How did that marriage come about? Was in semi-arranged. I don't see Jared rising above all the competition there must have been her hand .... and other parts.
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At the moment, here in the US... it looks like the military assistance - hospital ships and tent hospitals - are being limited to helping people who do not have coronavirus. That means that only those who test negative might be transferred to them.

In practice, that means that, as of last check, they were helping about 15 people total for the NYC situation. That number should grow a bit as testing continues to ramp up, but... *sigh*
Only 15!!! people in hospitals for non-virus reasons? That don't compute.
I think the plan made logical sense... the ship had decent medical facilities but was limited in its ability to isolate patients, and it would be a problem for Covid-19 to circulate on-board the ship under those circumstances.

The problem is the back-log in testing people to ensure they test negative for the virus.

They seem to have changed their procedures... they now will check for temperature and question patients for risk factors. (I hope that's enough, and you don't see any covid-19 patients slip through.)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/polit...rus/index.html
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Only 15!!! people in hospitals for non-virus reasons? That don't compute.
Yeah. I read an article today, too.

Basically, the idea was to use the ship as a safe spot away from the virus, so people, or at least 1000 of them, could be in a hospital without fear of contracting coronavirus. And the crew didn't need to follow COVID-19 protocols.

So, to be admitted, you first have to be tested for COVID-19, and the test has to come back negative. There are apparently other restrictions as well.

Finally, the ship was designed for wounded soldiers in a combat zone. It has bunks and cots, not usual hospital beds.

It makes for a great photo op, but apparently it is not the best hospital in civilian zones.

The crew is trying to get certain regualations waived so they won't be completely useless, as they are right now.
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Citation Needed, but my wife was watching the afternoon presser. He said shelves were bare at the end of the last administration and the US military had no ammunition. Can someone verify? I value my brain cells too much to even look.[/url].

He made the second half of that claim a while ago. It was one of his "Sir" stories. "Generals came up to me and said 'Sir, we don't have any bullets.""
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Trump got his priorities:

Trump fires the intelligence Inspector General who did his job - can't have that!

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He made the second half of that claim a while ago. It was one of his "Sir" stories. "Generals came up to me and said 'Sir, we don't have any bullets.""
I seriously doubt that the US military will run out of any basic ammunition any time in the next century. There's probably enough small arms ammo on a single destroyer to match a small country. And the US has plenty of destroyers and even bigger ships all armed to the gunwales at all times, not to mention all the units and squadrons of the other services which will also be stocked up all the time. There's so much ammo that the US could literally bury another small country with unfired rounds.

And then there's the civilian stockpile. Which, although probably not all military grade, would be a sizeable stockpile of firepower in and of itself.

So when Trumpy came up with another of his "Sir..." stories saying all the US military ammunition had run out, I laughed until I hiccuped. What an absolutely huge ******* lie.
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Only 15!!! people in hospitals for non-virus reasons? That don't compute.
The temporary military hospital facilities.

Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I think the plan made logical sense... the ship had decent medical facilities but was limited in its ability to isolate patients, and it would be a problem for Covid-19 to circulate on-board the ship under those circumstances.

The problem is the back-log in testing people to ensure they test negative for the virus.
And yeah. Since the beginning of all this, the Trump Administration's cardinal failing in practice has been with testing, to the point where almost all the rest (absurdly much as there is) pales in comparison to how bad the effects of such are. The overwhelming failure there has directly caused chain reactions of massive harm. If it weren't for that, the military hospital ship and ground hospitals would likely not even be needed and testing wouldn't be so backed up. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, after all.

The main rival there would be the sabotage preceding the pandemic, of course, when it comes to damage mitigation - around the world, really, because the earlier warning that some of what was sabotaged would likely have given would have helped the rest of the world prepare better, which would have paid for itself so very, very many times over.

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They seem to have changed their procedures... they now will check for temperature and question patients for risk factors. (I hope that's enough, and you don't see any covid-19 patients slip through.)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/polit...rus/index.html
Unfortunately, there probably will be some, especially given the amount of asymptomatic spreaders.
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Trump said he will not wear a face mask.

He says could not see himself greeting "presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens" in the Oval Office while wearing one.

He the guidance was "voluntary".

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You do not have to do it, I don't think I'm going to be doing it.
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Trump said he will not wear a face mask.

He says could not see himself greeting "presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens" in the Oval Office while wearing one.

He the guidance was "voluntary".



leading by example.
Oh but he seriously needs a mask. One like this would do the rest of the world a power of good.

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Old 4th April 2020, 05:08 AM   #2632
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump said he will not wear a face mask.

He says could not see himself greeting "presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens" in the Oval Office while wearing one.

He the guidance was "voluntary".



leading by example.
The real reason he won't wear a face mask is that the mask is intended to protect other people. Trump doesn't give a **** about other people.
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Old 4th April 2020, 05:41 AM   #2633
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Only 15!!! people in hospitals for non-virus reasons? That don't compute.
In the UK one of hospitals, one that is a centre of excellence for cancer treatment is only taking non-virus patients and cancer patients from other hospitals (Royal Marsden) the idea is to try and free up the other hospitals as much as possible to deal with the virus and to try and prevent the cancer patients being exposed to the virus whilst in hospital. It could be the idea is to use the military hospital in this way?
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Old 4th April 2020, 05:48 AM   #2634
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
In the UK one of hospitals, one that is a centre of excellence for cancer treatment is only taking non-virus patients and cancer patients from other hospitals (Royal Marsden) the idea is to try and free up the other hospitals as much as possible to deal with the virus and to try and prevent the cancer patients being exposed to the virus whilst in hospital. It could be the idea is to use the military hospital in this way?
Basically, yes. These ships are to handle overflow, when COVID-19 people end up booting other people out of land hospitals.
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Old 4th April 2020, 05:50 AM   #2635
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The real reason he won't wear a face mask is that the mask is intended to protect other people. Trump doesn't give a **** about other people.
Nah - it would smudge his makeup!
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Old 4th April 2020, 05:56 AM   #2636
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Nah - it would smudge his makeup!
So plausible as to be likely.
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Old 4th April 2020, 08:19 AM   #2637
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump said he will not wear a face mask.

He says could not see himself greeting "presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens" in the Oval Office while wearing one.

He the guidance was "voluntary".



leading by example.
I found that selection quite... odd.
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Old 4th April 2020, 08:40 AM   #2639
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3 million masks ordered by Massachusetts were confiscated in Port of New York, leading to creative alternative

Feds outbid blue states repeatedly, show incredible partiality in distribution of SNS, and now has outright stolen at least one large shipment to a blue state? Lock these ******* up!

Also, the Trump Administration has tread into very dangerous territory if they did indeed confiscate shipments from China to Germany and France on the basis that 3M is a US company.

Quote:
"Berlin must to do without an urgently needed delivery of 200,000 medical protective masks because the USA has 'confiscated' the goods on their transit through Bangkok. Berlin's Senator of the Interior: "We consider this an act of modern piracy'."
Is not exactly something that any country's citizens should like seeing.
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