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Old 19th March 2020, 01:06 AM   #441
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Originally Posted by MoeFaux View Post
Cheers! I'll be checking my local grocer tomorrow. Perhaps I'm naive (well, most certainly, in general), but I don't believe yeast will be sold out. Would love to make some parker house rolls along with the posted recipe! Of course, baking bread does require quite a bit of flour...sigh. I don't want to use up all that I have in one go. Maybe flour will be stocked this time around and I can get more. I'm down to half a bag of fresh and then some old flour in the back of the cupboard which I'll only use if there's nothing else.
Maybe it's because we're in a rural area where people are more experienced in kitchen craft but there is no yeast to be had, neither is there may strong bread flour in the local supermarkets. The items currently being panic-bought are:
  • Cleaning products, especially anti-bacterial ones
  • Toilet paper, paper towels and tissues
  • Paracetamol
  • Eggs
  • Bread, bread flour and yeast
  • Raw meat

Everything else seems to be generally available.
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Old 19th March 2020, 01:24 AM   #442
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Maybe it's because we're in a rural area where people are more experienced in kitchen craft but there is no yeast to be had, neither is there may strong bread flour in the local supermarkets. The items currently being panic-bought are:
  • Cleaning products, especially anti-bacterial ones
  • Toilet paper, paper towels and tissues
  • Paracetamol
  • Eggs
  • Bread, bread flour and yeast
  • Raw meat

Everything else seems to be generally available.
I didn't strike any problem yet, mostly because I simply happen to had my normal stock of the listed products replenished just before the madness started. Some of them will run out in a few days though. Will see how it goes...
The only thing I couldn't get from supermarket was Aspirin, which I've been taking as a regular preventive measure for decades. To my delight I found many suppliers on E-Bay with fast delivery and even cheaper...
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Old 19th March 2020, 01:47 AM   #443
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Originally Posted by MoeFaux View Post
Cheers! I'll be checking my local grocer tomorrow. Perhaps I'm naive (well, most certainly, in general), but I don't believe yeast will be sold out.
Yeast was all gone at my local here in NZ, most of the flour too. Seems a lot of people have thought that if they couldn't get bread then they would be baking their own.
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Old 19th March 2020, 02:30 AM   #444
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Uk is acting like its the apocalypse,been no toilet rolls in supermarkets for 10 days or more. FLour,pasta,disinfectant products(obvs) fresh meat,bread all gone,dwindling supplies of paracetamol and similair medicine.ALso womens sanitary products!!
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Old 19th March 2020, 02:50 AM   #445
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Originally Posted by Azrael 5 View Post
ALso womens sanitary products!!
Bloody hell, guvner!
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Old 19th March 2020, 03:06 AM   #446
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Meanwhile in India, the dabbawalas are shutting up shop so no Tiffin boxes.

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Covid-19 has struck one of the lifelines of India's financial hub, Mumbai - the dabbawalas, the thousands of men who deliver freshly cooked meals from homes to offices across the city.

They announced on Thursday that they would be pausing delivery until 31 March.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share
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Old 19th March 2020, 03:13 AM   #447
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Originally Posted by Azrael 5 View Post
Uk is acting like its the apocalypse,been no toilet rolls in supermarkets for 10 days or more. FLour,pasta,disinfectant products(obvs) fresh meat,bread all gone,dwindling supplies of paracetamol and similair medicine.ALso womens sanitary products!!
We had a quick check here at Don Towers to see how well served we are for these things.

We have a couple of kilos of bread flour and some yeast but to be honest we have a loaf of frozen bread (which I guess we stuck in there some time we were going on holiday) and a whole fresh loaf so we're okay for bread for a couple of weeks.

We have about 2.5kg of various types of pasta and about the same of rice. One of the advantages of being middle class is that you have part-used packets of long grain, Basmati, paella, risotto, jasmine and pudding rice . We also have plenty of bulgur wheat, couscous and pearly barley.

We have a fair amount of cleaning products in the house as well as a mahooosive box of Kirkland laundry detergent which can be used in all kinds of ways.

We are short of meat at the moment. Mrs Don is going to check out a local farm shop to see what they have. We've just come back from a ski holiday so our NSAID stocks are lower than usual.
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Old 19th March 2020, 03:52 AM   #448
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Went shopping for meat today. The butchers are all short of meat. I bought what I could.

If you have flour, milk and eggs and no bread a simple recipe is pancakes. Only do not serve them with ice-cream, cream or jam. Squeeze lemon juice on the cooked produce instead. And add in your choice of spices, herbs and flavourings before cooking. Taste good and are good for you. Google for a good recipe or PM me.
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Old 19th March 2020, 04:01 AM   #449
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Had an encouraging moment yesterday. Panic buying had set in a couple of weeks ago despite the very low number of reported cases and zero deaths so far in the state. Toward the end of last week and start of this the meats selections went from slim down to pretty much nothing. Yesterday I made a quick trip to get one or two items I'd forgotten the last time and the meat section was almost back to it's full glory. There were fewer options to be had, but the bins were pretty much full of something even if it was basic (e.g. fewer roasts but more ground meats).

Of course the other bits, paper products, rice, etc were still seriously picked over but more and more of the rest of things were starting to get back to a normal stock level. This was mid-afternoon, too, so not like I lined up to get the morning's fresh restock.

We're not out of the woods by a stretch, so hopefully the depletions reflected a panic buy wave that has crested on the whole, and not a 'new normal'. Time will tell, but there was a little psychological boost from seeing that, even though I didn't need something, I could have gotten some if I had.

Edit to add: I'm also seeing fewer and fewer people pushing what is obviously a 'stock up' cart. Though I did wonder about the one guy in the other lane unloading a cart well over-full who was popping down around half a dozen bars of unsweetened baking chocolate as I passed by.

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Old 19th March 2020, 05:14 AM   #450
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I'm hearing that people are now panic buying freezers to fill with fresh produce, having run out of non-perishables to hoard. It's nuts. The only reason to do this is so that you can avoid shops literally like the plague, but these people are crowding into shops now to get this stuff. A week ago I decided that since we didn't know where the virus was, it wasn't worth it for a few extra tomatoes and a bit more cheese.

At least, if these people really do now withdraw from society and live entirely on their hoard for the next six months, that's fewer people to crowd the shops and less stuff being bought. And as more and more shops set up protocols to allow people to buy stuff while maintaining social distancing, hopefully things will settle down.

When I did my hoard in November/December 2018 I wondered about getting an extra freezer as the one I have isn't very big, but I decided against it because a power cut could ruin the lot. Also, some things like milk don't freeze for very long. On the contrary when I went away on the cruise in January 2019 I left the freezer fairly empty for exactly that reason. Now there's a fair bit of stuff in it so I'm really very well off. I'll probably have to make a run for cat food in late June...
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Old 19th March 2020, 06:38 AM   #451
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I just went to buy some non-essentials, and the supermarket was well stocked.

Even plenty of toilet paper.
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Old 19th March 2020, 07:03 AM   #452
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I'm popping into town a little later to send my Garmin off to be fixed. While I'm there I'm going to attempt to pick up some braising steak from the butcher and salad from Marks and Spencer.

It'll be interesting to see whether the middle classes have plundered M&S to the same extent that we, the great unwashed, have stripped Tesco and Lidl bare of essentials.
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Old 19th March 2020, 07:28 AM   #453
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Other than paper products, the things in noticeably short supply at my local supermarket last weekend:
- Bread
- Potato chips
- Fresh Vegetables
- Frozen vegetables
- Dried pasta
In stock but depleting rapidly
- Flour
- Dairy products

In greater supply than 2 weeks ago:
- Large bags of rice
What amused me is that other than dried pasta and potato chips most of the items in short supply were perishable. I wonder what makes people think the things they NEED to stock up on are perishables and salty snacks.
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Also, Trump is sending 1.57$ to every american! Should be enough for at least one TP roll each!!!
When hyperinflation hits that's about what $1,000 will be worth.
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I shopped outside of the city yesterday for my dad. Everything seemed to be in stock, just "limit 1" on milk, eggs, bread and drinking water.
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Went to the local Aldi half an hour after (the new later) opening time this morning. They had some of nearly everything in stock, even toilet paper (but not hand soap or hand sanitizer). Canned fruit, rice, canned and dry beans, bread, eggs, milk, and meat all avaialble. The TP will probably sell out quickly. There seemed to be enough paper towels to last a while, though.

I bought salsa, herbal tea, and coffee cake, because that's what I'd stopped in for.
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I made a brief stop at a store yesterday because my wife was concerned about her cheesecake supply. They had one. I also bought a quiche and some salmon dip. I didn't even bother looking in the TP aisle.
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I can report that the butcher had plenty of, and plenty of variety of, fresh meat. Maybe people are doing their panic buying in supermarkets and lack the stamina to run around town panic buying from specialist retailers.

Marks and Spencer was a mixed picture. There was no bread, eggs, paper products or cleaning products. Perishable fruit and vegetables were in short supply and there were some significant gaps in the ready meals selections - maybe about a quarter of total lines. I didn't bother to see what had sold out but maybe people are buying ready meals to freeze in case they aren't able to cook later on.

I'm a little concerned about whether there will be enough people to man power stations, the national grid, natural gas distribution network, water network (we don't have mains sewage) and so on given how many people seem to be self isolating these days.
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I made a brief stop at a store yesterday because my wife was concerned about her cheesecake supply. They had one. I also bought a quiche and some salmon dip. I didn't even bother looking in the TP aisle.
Good choices. We all have our own idea of staples. Did you get anything to dip into the salmon dip, or do you just eat it with a spoon?
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I can report that the butcher had plenty of, and plenty of variety of, fresh meat. Maybe people are doing their panic buying in supermarkets and lack the stamina to run around town panic buying from specialist retailers.

Marks and Spencer was a mixed picture. There was no bread, eggs, paper products or cleaning products. Perishable fruit and vegetables were in short supply and there were some significant gaps in the ready meals selections - maybe about a quarter of total lines. I didn't bother to see what had sold out but maybe people are buying ready meals to freeze in case they aren't able to cook later on.

I'm a little concerned about whether there will be enough people to man power stations, the national grid, natural gas distribution network, water network (we don't have mains sewage) and so on given how many people seem to be self isolating these days.
“ready meals” are not quite the thing here as they are in the UK, but frozen pizza was another thing noticeably missing from the shelves over the weekend. Other than frozen pizza and frozen vegetables, the frozen food isle looked fairly well stocked.

Right now all I need to do to keep food frozen is put it in a box outside, but that will change in the coming weeks. I think with proper management like keeping the sun off it and taking advantage of overnight lows to make ice. I could keep food frozen for another month.

I’ve been meaning to buy a small backup generators anyway, so maybe I’ll use this as an excuse. With that I wouldn't need to worry about refrigeration until the fuel runs out. I probably won't bother though.
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Office Supply stores were always my hidden wildcard when it came to the classic bottled water run before every hurricane. They eventually run out same as everyone else but they just weren't the first thing that popped in everyone's mind so they usually lasted a decent amount of time longer with water in stock.
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Good choices. We all have our own idea of staples. Did you get anything to dip into the salmon dip, or do you just eat it with a spoon?
Like the cheesecake, it's for my wife. She puts it on crackers, of which we have a good supply.
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Office Supply stores were always my hidden wildcard when it came to the classic bottled water run before every hurricane. They eventually run out same as everyone else but they just weren't the first thing that popped in everyone's mind so they usually lasted a decent amount of time longer with water in stock.
I still don't get the run on bottled water. Does anyone think, even in the most grim scenarios, that running water will be cut off?
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I still don't get the run on bottled water. Does anyone think, even in the most grim scenarios, that running water will be cut off?
Not really, though some may speculate that.

The run on bottled water is because so many people drink bottled water (even though their tap water is fine) and they are worried about not being able to buy it when they want it. It's similar to toilet paper. "I need this stuff daily and what happens if I run out and the stores don't have it? I better buy a whole lot of it right now."
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I still don't get the run on bottled water. Does anyone think, even in the most grim scenarios, that running water will be cut off?
People will buy water because it’s a recommended basic for just about any other disaster, but in this case, the main need would seem to be people who primarily drink bottled water preparing for the inevitable shortage created by people preparing for shortages. .

I have several micro-filter pumps and a bunch of chlorine tablets I use for camping that I can fall back on even in that worst case scenario so water isn’t on my radar.
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Italy just passed China in the number of deaths. 427 deaths in just the last day.
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I still don't get the run on bottled water. Does anyone think, even in the most grim scenarios, that running water will be cut off?
This is coming from someone who does not understand branded bottled water at all (at least here in the States bottled water is actually regulated less than tap water and if the water is bottled and sold in the same state essentially unregulated) so take it with a grain of salt but I can't understand it in the least.

It's always the same. The hurricane is a week out and the stores are all running out of bottle water.

Idiots. The water is still on and will be until the storm hits at worst, probably several hours into it in most cases. The stores are fully stocked with safe, appropriate potable water appropriate containers of every possible shape and size. Buy some of them and fill them with water now. You don't need special hurricane water.

I have a WaterBob, it's a big heavy duty food safe plastic bag that fits into your bathtub and holds 100+ gallons, enough to get me, my wife, and my pets through weeks if necessary. It's basically a modern take on the old "fill your bathtub if a storm is coming" advice with the added advantage of it being covered so it doesn't get dirty or have stuff fall into and has a hand pump for easier access. If a storm or other event is coming I just fill plop in down in the bathtub in the guest bath and fill it up and stop worrying.

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Many people hate their tap water because it tastes horrible. Perfectly safe but it has a nasty flavor.
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Many people hate their tap water because it tastes horrible. Perfectly safe but it has a nasty flavor.
That's just super and not a concern in a survival situation.

Buy a Brita Filter.

And besides I tend believe stuff like that is crap. "I only drink water on vinyl" essentially. I remember the P&T B.S. episode where the "Water Sommelier" was just outback filling all the fancy water bottles from a garden hose.
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Italy just passed China in the number of deaths. 427 deaths in just the last day.
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OMG.
It's especially shocking when you not this is pure death numbers, not death rate and Italy has a population of only about 60 million and China has a population of "everybody if you round it off."
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Old 19th March 2020, 11:12 AM   #472
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Yesterday I went to our local Farmer's Market, sure it would be sold out of everything, as the grocery stores have been stripped rather bare. But, there was plenty of produce. I was there specifically for eggs and nothing more - I need plenty of eggs on hand for my scrambled egg addiction and the stores have been sold out. Luckily, there were plenty of eggs...they just were at fancy Farmer's Market prices. I got two dozen for $16. Very much wishing my homeowner friend would have allowed me to get the hens I wanted.
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Old 19th March 2020, 11:32 AM   #473
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Disposable items are so inefficient and uneconomical. I suggest you get a good quality poop-knife for the purpose.
I have a very nice antique silver (so antibiotic!) one with a Bocote handle inlaid with mother of pearl and small emeralds.
You can't flush silver down the toilet!

It isn't made to break down like toilet paper pasta does.
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Old 19th March 2020, 12:21 PM   #474
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I have just given two boxes of Kleenex and 4 loo rolls away to a friend. They had none. I feel guilty for not giving more, but, that's a good share, right?

What is everyone's current stock? I have, I believe, 47 rolls currently, for two people (one of whom uses paper like it grows on trees [does that even work anymore?]). I had an idea of how long I could make a roll last; my guess was one to two weeks. I began keeping track this past Thursday night when I put a fresh roll into my private bathroom. I am still using the same roll today, and suspect it will last me another 3 days at least, but I have been consciously using just a wee bit (ha!!) less than usual. I've noticed that it's really my middle-of-the-night bathroom visits which are the ones where I actually use the most, as I'm half asleep and just paw at the roll in the dark, but in now knowing that, I've actually caught myself and rolled a stretch back onto the roll the past several nights.

Prior to this hysteria, my normal stock of paper in the house was about 36 rolls. I didn't get much more to have on hand than I already would have had - in a house with three toilets. I feel rich in rolls, but the need to be miserly in case this madness continues and there isn't any to be purchased.
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Old 19th March 2020, 12:27 PM   #475
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
This is why if you're the kind of person who you know panics and horder during a crisis, the onus is on you to slowly build up your stash before the crisis, not when it starts happening.
Unfortunately, even though my wife and I normally keep about two weeks to a month's worth of food on hand, we live in Nashville and had a tornado come through just a couple of weeks ago and took out our power for four days. We lost all of the meats, vegetables, and dairy products in our fridge and freezer.

But the toilet tissue survived!
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Old 19th March 2020, 12:42 PM   #476
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
And besides I tend believe stuff like that is crap. "I only drink water on vinyl" essentially. I remember the P&T B.S. episode where the "Water Sommelier" was just outback filling all the fancy water bottles from a garden hose.
I would completely agree with you, except during the spring months, the tap water here in Nashville is undrinkable due to the algae bloom we get every year. They add so much chlorine to it that even the dogs won't touch it, if they can find rain water in the back yard.
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Old 19th March 2020, 12:54 PM   #477
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I didn't stock up on anything (no extra cash)
I went to do my regular weekly shopping (at the Dollar Store and Discount Store, where I always go) nearest me on my bike Tuesday.

I asked one of the Dollar Store girls if I could get a 4 pack of toilet paper, she retrieved one for me out of the stock room.

At the discount store I had to buy a pack of pasta shape that was not my favourite.
and a name brand pack of rice that was 40 cents more than my regular kind.

So far that the most toilet paper and shopping hysteria I have personally experienced.
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Had my blood drawn today, and my English phlebotomist told me that her daughter back home was having trouble finding baby formula.

I don't worry about myself nearly as much as I would a newborn. Scary.
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Old 19th March 2020, 01:31 PM   #479
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Many people hate their tap water because it tastes horrible. Perfectly safe but it has a nasty flavor.
I do business with a company that makes those little flavor packets to add to your (usually bottled) water. Their business is off the charts right now, as people with crappy well water and snobs who only drink bottled are trying to make their tap water more sexy.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Many people hate their tap water because it tastes horrible. Perfectly safe but it has a nasty flavor.
I've lived in a few places, I find if the water tastes 'funny" but is safe to drink ... I just drink it ... I get used to it in no time.

Exception is heavy chlorine .. for that you just let the water sit over night, all the chlorine evaporates
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