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Old 27th September 2019, 05:31 PM   #41
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Gary Locke. He was governor of Washington State, famously moderate, of Chinese ethnicity. He served as US Ambassador to China. He's been tested on a world stage and been away from all the sausage making in Washington. He scratches more than a few Democratic itches while not someone Republicans feel terribly strongly about.
He'll be a septuagenarian in in 4 months. Might conceivably be a fit for Booker, Harris or Buttigieg, but given the advanced ages of the three front-runners, I think they need to look to another generation.
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Old 27th September 2019, 10:49 PM   #42
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Here is my whacky pick. Former Ohio Governor John Kasich. One of the more reasonable Republicans. Since there seems to be more importance placed on the "optics" of the ticket, meaning If there is going to have a white old man as Pres, then you have to have a woman of color as your vp pick, I can see how having a prominent Republican as the choice sending the message of trying to bring the split between the two parties together. If I recall McCain really wanted Joe Lieberman as his VP before Sarah Palin was thrust upon him.
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Old 27th September 2019, 10:56 PM   #43
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The magic of 20020 is that whoever gets nominated, P and VP, will get massive support and will likely win.
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Here's an oddball pick: How about Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona (for Joe Biden)? She's smart (graduated from BYU at age 18), young (43), attractive, has solid bipartisan credentials and self-identifies as bisexual. She's from a state that is sort of must-win for the Democrats in 2020, and IMHO is in play. I was suspicious of her when she ran for the Senate last year, but I have been impressed ever since.

Of course the things that impress me have depressed a lot of local Democrats who have been pushing the state party to censure her (for not being liberal enough). So if Biden is looking to tamp down a restive left flank, she's probably not going to do the trick. But if he can secure the nomination, she would be a good fit for his "I can work with the reasonable Republicans once Trump is gone," schtick.

Sinema probably is not a good fit for Warren or Sanders, and if either of them get the nomination I would consider Arizona too much of a reach for the Democrats anyway.
Actually, Sinema is the kind of old school smoke-filled backroom pick that they did in '60. Match her up with Bernie to show that he's not unwilling to work with the moderate wing. You don't match her up with Warren - again, two females on the ticket is never going to win. And you don't match her up with Biden, if he wins. Ya think the Bern Boyz stayed home in '16, wait'll you see every prog in the country stay home in '20 if they run two blue dogs on the presidential ticket!
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Old 28th September 2019, 12:37 AM   #45
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Actually, Sinema is the kind of old school smoke-filled backroom pick that they did in '60. Match her up with Bernie to show that he's not unwilling to work with the moderate wing. You don't match her up with Warren - again, two females on the ticket is never going to win. And you don't match her up with Biden, if he wins. Ya think the Bern Boyz stayed home in '16, wait'll you see every prog in the country stay home in '20 if they run two blue dogs on the presidential ticket!
Bernie won't pick her for an obvious reason--she then becomes the future of the party. Not his chosen future I would guess. That's why she works for Biden; young, impressive and she probably has great-smelling hair.
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Old 28th September 2019, 01:18 AM   #46
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True - whoever becomes VP to a 70+ year old must be perceived as POTUS material themselves.
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Old 28th September 2019, 01:21 AM   #47
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Why not try Hillary again? Surely she can't keep losing...
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Old 28th September 2019, 01:36 AM   #48
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Why not try Hillary again? Surely she can't keep losing...
I would love that.
But it's a terrible idea.
But I would love that.
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Old 28th September 2019, 07:58 AM   #49
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The magic of 20020 is that whoever gets nominated, P and VP, will get massive support and will likely win.
I really hope you are right. The thought of Trump winning again is more then my brain can handle.
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I really hope you are right. The thought of Trump winning again is more then my brain can handle.
If Trump is still winning in 20020 your brain will probably have bigger issues to think about.
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Why not try Hillary again? Surely she can't keep losing...
It's an old joke, but when Obama asked her to be VP, she said, "I've already had that job."
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Old 3rd October 2019, 11:54 AM   #53
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How about Jeff Flake?
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Senator Tammy Duckworth
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Why not try Hillary again? Surely she can't keep losing...
That's basically Joe Biden's campaign slogan.
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Old 3rd October 2019, 12:14 PM   #57
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Serious submission:

Senator Tammy Duckworth
Unfortunately, "Tammy Duckworth" is just not a serious name.
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How about Jeff Flake?
Tribalism forbids that nowdays...sadly.
I could get behind the idea of a asking a Never Trump Republican on the ticket and run as a sort of a Anti Trump coalition..but it will never happen.
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Actually, Sinema is the kind of old school smoke-filled backroom pick that they did in '60. Match her up with Bernie to show that he's not unwilling to work with the moderate wing. You don't match her up with Warren - again, two females on the ticket is never going to win. And you don't match her up with Biden, if he wins. Ya think the Bern Boyz stayed home in '16, wait'll you see every prog in the country stay home in '20 if they run two blue dogs on the presidential ticket!
Then the Progs are a bunch of morons, frankly.
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Is it too soon to suggest Bernie Sanders, under the "not a candidate" heading?
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I don't think Duckworth is eligible. As far as I can tell, she wasn't born a US citizen.
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Biden must pick a woman. Ashley Judd? Michelle Obama?
Warren - Buttigeg
Bernie- Stacey Abrams (I shudder to think of the racism that a Jewish/African American ticket will bring out)
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Bernie- Stacey Abrams (I shudder to think of the racism that a Jewish/African American ticket will bring out)
Come on. Progressives aren't that racist, are they?
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I don't think Duckworth is eligible. As far as I can tell, she wasn't born a US citizen.
She wasn't. But she is the daughter of an American. And it's not clear that she wouldn't qualify.
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Then the Progs are a bunch of morons, frankly.
Nope.

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I don't think Duckworth is eligible. As far as I can tell, she wasn't born a US citizen.
From what I read, she is through her father's citizenship while being born overseas.
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Condoleezza Rice. Educated, talented, experienced. What's not to like?

Do you prefer identity politics? She's a woman, and black. She's not gay or trans, but you can't have everything.

True, she's historically aligned with the GOP, but that can be accepted, I think. A Warren-Rice ticket might be exactly the bipartisan gesture of unity and tolerance this nation needs, to start our healing process and close the rift between red and blue.
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Tribalism forbids that nowdays...sadly.
I could get behind the idea of a asking a Never Trump Republican on the ticket and run as a sort of a Anti Trump coalition..but it will never happen.
Why are you saying its 'sad' that Flake couldn't be considered?

Yes, Flake has a mythology surrounding himself as a 'never Trumper'. But so much of what he did and said was empty rhetoric, designed to make himself look good, while otherwise enabling the worst of Trump's actions.

At the end of the day:

- He voted to confirm Drunky McRapeface to the supreme court (after supposedly pushing for more investigations into his background, and then accepting the results, despite interference in the investigation from the white house)
- He voted to confirm lots of questionable people for Trump's cabinet, including De Vos and Sessions
- He voted for both the Republican health care plan and the tax cuts for the wealthy
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Condoleezza Rice. Educated, talented, experienced. What's not to like?
She was pretty dismissive of complaints into Russian hacking of the elections.

Not exactly what I would want from a candidate: "Yeah, its perfectly OK for a foreign government to try to keep me from getting elected".

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True, she's historically aligned with the GOP, but that can be accepted, I think. A Warren-Rice ticket might be exactly the bipartisan gesture of unity and tolerance this nation needs, to start our healing process and close the rift between red and blue.
In the past few decades, we have seen the republicans drift further to the right, and engage in all sorts of dirty tricks: Voter suppression of minorities, obstructionism of the Obama administration (including blocking the nomination of judges), allowing interference by foreign governments in American elections. And those actions are continuing to this day. And we currently have a republican president with widespread support within the GOP, despite the fact that he is a racist con-man who thinks neo-nazis are "fine people".

So, with all that in mind, there are 2 questions:

- Why should it be the responsibility for the Democrats to engage in a "gesture of unity" by including a republican on the Democratic ticket? The republicans have been the ones destroying American political norms; shouldn't they be the ones to try to fix the problems they caused?

- Why exactly would we expect the republicans to actually appreciate the gesture and to likewise engage in bipartisan efforts? The more likely scenario is that they would immediately condemn the VP nominee as a "traitor", or simply use it as a wedge to further push their partisan agenda.
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Fair enough. How about Al Franken?

By all accounts, the Democrats lost a good senator and effective advocate, the day Gillibrand railroaded him out of office. Isn't it past time he was brought back into the fold?
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Fair enough. How about Al Franken?

By all accounts, the Democrats lost a good senator and effective advocate, the day Gillibrand railroaded him out of office. Isn't it past time he was brought back into the fold?
The sexual allegations make him toxic.

It would be rather hard for the Democrats to point out Donald "grab 'em" Trump's negative attitudes towards women when they would have Franken on the ticket.... a perfect target for "whataboutism".
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The sexual allegations make him toxic.



It would be rather hard for the Democrats to point out Donald "grab 'em" Trump's negative attitudes towards women when they would have Franken on the ticket.... a perfect target for "whataboutism".
Hmmm... Okay, what about Chelsea Clinton?
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Pick a VP for the Dems who is not a Candidate
If Joe Biden, then Stacey Abrams.

If Bernie Sanders, then Tulsi Gabbard.

If Elizabeth Warren, then Rahm Emanuel.
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Hmmm... Okay, what about Chelsea Clinton?
I assume at this point you seem to have gone from unusual and marginal suggestions to ones that are completely insane.

Chelsea has no experience as an actual political candidate. She has never served in a legislative or executive capacity as an elected official. Only a moron would vote for someone who has never held political office before (even if it is in the Vice Presidential spot on the ticket.)

Oh wait... never mind.
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I've voted for her before and would do so again if I still lived in her district.
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Condoleezza Rice. Educated, talented, experienced. What's not to like?

Do you prefer identity politics? She's a woman, and black. She's not gay or trans, but you can't have everything.

True, she's historically aligned with the GOP, but that can be accepted, I think. A Warren-Rice ticket might be exactly the bipartisan gesture of unity and tolerance this nation needs, to start our healing process and close the rift between red and blue and guarantee a Republican White House in 2020.
FTFY. Two women on the national ticket ain't gonna work. Two women with one who happens to be black and a former Republican is doubly not going to work.

It does have its upside.... the bigots would finally be able to make fun of her name. They must've been dying when she was a loyal minion of the GOP.

Keep it sane.... Warren is not picking a female running mate. She'll pick a male and probably a southwestern or western one.
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Eh, I still like Rice.
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Eh, I still like Rice.
Maybe as a Biden running mate, even Bernie.... not for Liz, though. The Dems aren't going to fly in the face of all tradition with a two-woman ticket.

But, for Warren, the guy who's probably closer to dumping the GOP... Powell. (As long as we're fantasizing about Republicans jumping ship.)
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