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Old 1st October 2019, 09:06 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I appreciate your taking the time that I was not willing to spend to do these rebuttals .
I just came across a few pertinent Tweets:
Kasporov, that name takes me WAY back. He's seen a thing or two.
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Old 1st October 2019, 09:11 AM   #202
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Sure. A murderer would be worse. But I don't remember one ever running for president. I'm trying to think of a past president in our lifetime who has behaved in such a sheer egregious manner as Trump. Can't think of one. Can you?
Trump took out a full-page ad advocating the judicial murder of the Central Park 5.
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Old 1st October 2019, 09:33 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I'm far more concerned about what Trump actually does than what he actually says.
Ok so does what he does concern you?
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Old 1st October 2019, 09:45 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
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thinks there's "good people" among white supremacists,
You know that this is based on a lie about what he said, right?
No, no its not.

Trump's claim is that there were "fine people on both sides" of the conflict.

However, the people that attended the rally were, to a person, racists/neo-nazis/etc. How do we know that? Because:
- The statues themselves were erected to glorify a racist past
- The rally itself was advertised as a 'unite the right' event
- There were plenty of nazi flags at the event, and attendees broke out in racist slogans such as "jews will not replace us". Now, I'm not sure about you, but if I go anywhere and people start breaking out neo-nazi flags and chanting racist slogans, I am not going to stick around. I can't envision anyone dumb enough to show up at the rally, and upon seeing nazi flags thinking "Oh, there's nothing wrong here".

So, for Trump to say that there are "fine people on both sides", he is implying that at least some of the white supremacists were "fine people".
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Old 1st October 2019, 01:15 PM   #205
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Ok so does what he does concern you?
Not more than any other president.
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Old 1st October 2019, 01:34 PM   #206
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Garry Kasparov's book "Winter is Coming-Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must Be Stopped" was a good read although it was a tad over the top at times.
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Old 1st October 2019, 06:18 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
Garry Kasparov's book "Winter is Coming-Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must Be Stopped" was a good read although it was a tad over the top at times.
Kasparov is regularly over the top.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 01:02 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Not more than any other president.
so you are saying that previous Congress' all failed in their role and should have impeached every other President?
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Old 2nd October 2019, 02:40 AM   #209
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
so you are saying that previous Congress' all failed in their role and should have impeached every other President?
A jaywalker is a criminal. A serial killer is a criminal. Both are just criminals and should be treated equally.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 05:20 AM   #210
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You see this is why I don't like how ingrained we let "LOL all politicians are dirty, politics is all one big dirty game" get into our cultural psyche.

We've treated the concept of politics and the "politician" archtype as joke who dirtiness was just assumed with a shrug and "well whatchagonnadoaboutit?" for so long that I'm surprised it took us this long to have to deal with an outright unapologetic dirty cheating lair defended with either whataboutism directed at a whatabout that's more cliche then true or the stupid preteen angst "The whole system is rotten so I'm gonna defend the rottenest of it as a silly stupid affect to show how much more detached and better then you I am" straw nihilism.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 05:41 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
A jaywalker is a criminal. A serial killer is a criminal. Both are just criminals and should be treated equally.
Also don't even think about mentioning the serial killer without first having discussed every jaywalker.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 05:42 AM   #212
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Not more than any other president.
Not more so than ANY other president?

You really don't think that his disregard for the rule of law, which I seem to remember you thought was very important, is a cause for special concern?
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Old 2nd October 2019, 08:02 AM   #213
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meh "the optics don't matter so much"

When he actually has somebody killed I'll speak up.

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Old 2nd October 2019, 08:56 AM   #214
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
meh "the optics don't matter so much"

When he actually has somebody killed I'll speak up.
Not if the person is you.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 08:59 AM   #215
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Not if the person is you.
An accusing ghost is all we need to make this impeachment a full-blown circus.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
An accusing ghost is all we need to make this impeachment a full-blown circus.
The ghost of impeachments past.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 09:05 AM   #217
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Not more so than ANY other president?

You really don't think that his disregard for the rule of law, which I seem to remember you thought was very important, is a cause for special concern?
I don't accept your premise that he has disregarded the rule of law to any greater degree than a number of other presidents.
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The ghost of impeachments past.
From the Pits of Hell!
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I don't accept your premise that he has disregarded the rule of law to any greater degree than a number of other presidents.
the only possible explanation that I can see for your statement is deliberate ignorance.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I don't accept your premise that he has disregarded the rule of law to any greater degree than a number of other presidents.
One wonders what he'd have to do for you to drop that pretense and rejoin reality.
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Old 2nd October 2019, 09:54 AM   #221
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the only possible explanation that I can see for your statement is deliberate ignorance.
I'm flattered that you avoided an accusation of malice.
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I'm flattered that you avoided an accusation of malice.
I could invoke Hanlon's razor ..

but I won't.
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My problem with Hanlon's razor is that at a certain point ignorance and maliciousness become the same thing.
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Trump blatantly encouraged supporters to assault political rivals and Don McGahn to obstruct justice.

His conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds from those two actions alone.
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My problem with Hanlon's razor is that at a certain point ignorance and maliciousness become the same thing.
Well, also, as Trump has demonstrated so well, it is entirely possible to be both evil and incompetent.
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