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Old 22nd September 2019, 12:12 AM   #41
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It would mean that ISF members are totally out of touch with what matters to Americans - especially the American members.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 12:55 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
You've heard the fable about the boy who cried wolf. Well, I have now been politically aware during the re-election battles for four Republican presidents: Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr. And during each of those re-election efforts, I was assured by liberals of my acquaintance that this was an existential vote. Hell, I worked on the McGovern campaign (extremely minor role), so it's not like I needed any encouragement. And Nixon was re-elected and Reagan was re-elected and Bush Jr. was re-elected, but somehow the republic survived.
If you can't see the difference between those people and Trump, I can't help you.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 12:58 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Ivanka for 2024.
With a demented Trump loitering the white house corridors, thinking he's still president.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 02:21 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
It would mean that ISF members are totally out of touch with what matters to Americans - especially the American members.

I understand what matters to Americans. Most people have the same concerns. Stability, security, family, freedom. The simple minded approach to complex problems and their deplorable solutions are something else.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 05:22 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Several million deaths around the world from apoplexy at excessive laughter.

Ivanka for 2024.
Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
With a demented Trump loitering the white house corridors, thinking he's still president.
Yeah, and actually it is not as far-fetched as we might like to believe. If Ivanka did run for President, essentially she might end up President in the same way that Medvedev was president and Putin was prime minister.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 06:04 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Your inability to see why Trump is a clear and presetne danget to US Democracy is incredible.
I'd use the word "astounding" instead. Remember, The PDJT uses "incredible" for any thing that's bigly good.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 06:26 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
An resigned shortly after to avoid Impeachment.



And avoided indictment by the onset of Alzheimer's. He also left behind a ruined economy that still had not recovered from the damage that was done.



And left the country in two major wars, massive debt, the second largest rescission in history, and an economy that took most of the next eight years to repair.



Given the damage that these guys did, and it's on going effects that are still being felt nearly 40 years, and given that Trump is considerably worse than either Bush or Reagan, you really want to take that risk?
60 years ago vast swaths of the government collaborated with terrorist groups to suppress an ethnic minority. And that was still better than the two centuries leading up to it.

Trump isn't hurting anything. The republic has always been rotten in it's core.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
You've heard the fable about the boy who cried wolf. Well, I have now been politically aware during the re-election battles for four Republican presidents: Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr. And during each of those re-election efforts, I was assured by liberals of my acquaintance that this was an existential vote. Hell, I worked on the McGovern campaign (extremely minor role), so it's not like I needed any encouragement. And Nixon was re-elected and Reagan was re-elected and Bush Jr. was re-elected, but somehow the republic survived.
This isn't the first time I've heard the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" metaphor horribly misused in reference to Trump.

I'm utterly amazed at the number of people who read the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" and somehow came away with the moral that sheep deserved to get eaten because the boy cried wolf too many times.

The moral of the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" was never supposed to be that wolves don't exist and never eat sheep and that you shouldn't care when they do because you would miss a chance to troll the boy for saying wolf too many times.

In the abstract I am annoyed at how the second biggest retcon in the Liberal Narrative right now (only behind "Yeah we totally thought Trump had a legit chance of winning and were treating like an actual political threat and not a joke") is their trying to pretend that they didn't use the same "ALL IS LOST! ALL IS LOST!" language with Bush. They did, I was there. It's adorable that they think nobody remembers. Maybe if they hadn't spent 8 years demonizing Bush they'd have some language left to use that had any actual impact when an actual demon got elected.

But I'm not going to watch a slow moving coup turn the world's remaining superpower into a theocracy just to teach the Democrats a lesson about being overlydramatic.

Again if Conservatives could operate on any level beyond "showing up the Dems" that would be just super.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 06:50 AM   #50
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Depending on how one views how much bush economic policies impacted the great recession, devil comments and death of the republic comments were probably accurate.

If bush used brown shirts to forcefully evict up to 10 million Americans we would compare that time to the Khmer rouge. His policies accomplished the same feat in a different way?

Even the severity of the opioid crisis is an aftershock of the recession.

To say things turned out okay is risible.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
But I'm not going to watch a slow moving coup turn the world's remaining superpower into a theocracy just to teach the Democrats a lesson about being overlydramatic.

Again if Conservatives could operate on any level beyond "showing up the Dems" that would be just super.
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But I'm not going to watch a slow moving coup turn the world's remaining superpower into a theocracy just to teach the Democrats a lesson about being overlydramatic.
Trump isn't the one trying to engage in a coup. Nor is he interested in theocracy. Hell, he's not even interested in theology.
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So it's going to be armed resistence, then?
Doubt it, but California might just cede and take all the money it sends to Washington for use in Red States with it.
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This sums it up nicely...

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This sums it up nicely...

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Just a thought experiment, I hope.
Assume:
Trump has a solid win in both the EC and popular vote.
Republicans get to 60 Senators.
Republicans retake the House.
Republicans increase their control of governorships and state legislatures.

What happens?
Constitutional amendment to remove presidential term limits?
Why do I think that such an amendment would not include the following phrase found in the 22nd amendment: “But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress,”?
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Trump is a populist on the campaign trail only. You can find no one more elitist than someone who grew up a millionaire and lives in a golden apartment in NYC.

*Psssh* "Trump is a populist."

As for why, it's the oldest reason in the world, and he's already done it once.

(Okay, he leased national park lands for various forms of oil and coal extraction. Still, not great for national park land.)
I don't think you understand what a National Park is. He did no such thing. There's a huge and extremely significant difference between "public lands" and "National Parks."

ETA: Okay, okay, I see this issue was already hashed through. The difference, though, is profound. Public lands are frequently expected to be used for resources and what Trump did wasn't unusual at all.

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It would mean that ISF members are totally out of touch with what matters to Americans - especially the American members.
side splitter!
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Removing term limits would probably be a bad strategy for the Republicans. The Democrats would just take Obama out of storage.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Followed by the Second American CIvil War.
With any luck.

Originally Posted by psionl0
It would mean that ISF members are totally out of touch with what matters to Americans - especially the American members.
Last election eligible voter turnout was only 60.2%. Trump could win in a 'landslide' and it still wouldn't represent what matters to (the majority of) Americans.

And why should it matter anyway? If other people have different ideas that just means they are out of touch with what matters to me.
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I left out.

Trump starts the whole End Times thing.
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Why do I think that such an amendment would not include the following phrase found in the 22nd amendment: “But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress,”?
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Removing term limits would probably be a bad strategy for the Republicans. The Democrats would just take Obama out of storage.
Simple. Just include the phrase: "But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President prior to when this article was proposed by the Congress."
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Doubt it, but California might just cede and take all the money it sends to Washington for use in Red States with it.
Ya, Cali is so rich we are first in homelessness, first in poverty, almost last in education, are actually in debt when paying off government pensions is included in the figures, ultra-high taxes, ultra-high gas prices, expensive food, real estate and everything else.

We tax and regulate businesses away. Silicon Valley, the part in northern San Jose, is a ghost town. Empty buildings everywhere. Too expensive to do business here. They have been empty for a long time.

Not enough water (and plenty of corruption in that area), poor electrical grid, bad roads. No wonder why Cali is so "rich". It doesn't spend money to fix its problems. But hey, we're a sanctuary state!

I'm leaving soon, you can nuke it after that.
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Ya, Cali is so rich we are first in homelessness, first in poverty, almost last in education, are actually in debt when paying off government pensions is included in the figures, ultra-high taxes, ultra-high gas prices, expensive food, real estate and everything else.

We tax and regulate businesses away. Silicon Valley, the part in northern San Jose, is a ghost town. Empty buildings everywhere. Too expensive to do business here. They have been empty for a long time.

Not enough water (and plenty of corruption in that area), poor electrical grid, bad roads. No wonder why Cali is so "rich". It doesn't spend money to fix its problems. But hey, we're a sanctuary state!

I'm leaving soon, you can nuke it after that.


California is 18th in poverty rates.
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Ya, Cali is so rich we are first in homelessness, first in poverty, almost last in education, are actually in debt when paying off government pensions is included in the figures, ultra-high taxes, ultra-high gas prices, expensive food, real estate and everything else.

We tax and regulate businesses away. Silicon Valley, the part in northern San Jose, is a ghost town. Empty buildings everywhere. Too expensive to do business here. They have been empty for a long time.

Not enough water (and plenty of corruption in that area), poor electrical grid, bad roads. No wonder why Cali is so "rich". It doesn't spend money to fix its problems. But hey, we're a sanctuary state!

I'm leaving soon, you can nuke it after that.


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California is 18th in poverty rates.

Citations? Trump supporters don't need no stinkin citations!
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Citations? Trump supporters don't need no stinkin citations!
Not a trump supporter

This one is probably a better source than the one I used and has 21

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...y_poverty_rate
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Simple. Just include the phrase: "But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President prior to when this article was proposed by the Congress."
Some sort of "You can't change the rules of your own elected position and any changes you make to don't take effect during your office" is one of those no brainers I can't believe we even have to argue.
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Not a trump supporter

This one is probably a better source than the one I used and has 21

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...y_poverty_rate

My comment was directed at mgidm86, not you.
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Doubt it, but California might just cede and take all the money it sends to Washington for use in Red States with it.
California only pays a bit more to the feds than they receive. If California really tried to secede from the Union, though, I think Democrats in the rest of the country might panic when the realize the implications. Winning the presidency or getting a majority in the house is much more difficult for Democrats without California.
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California only pays a bit more to the feds than they receive. If California really tried to secede from the Union, though, I think Democrats in the rest of the country might panic when the realize the implications. Winning the presidency or getting a majority in the house is much more difficult for Democrats without California.
This would only happen when Republicans made it impossible to win through democratic means.
And California wouldn't be alone.
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This would only happen when Republicans made it impossible to win through democratic means.
And California wouldn't be alone.
All the Democrats have to do to win elections is not be crazy. Did Republicans make that impossible? Or are they choosing to be crazy all on their own?
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Old 22nd September 2019, 08:13 PM   #74
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The scenario was that Trump wins 2020 and therefore has the power to change the number of seats each state gets by modifying the Census data, something he could absolutely do if in power.
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The scenario was that Trump wins 2020 and therefore has the power to change the number of seats each state gets by modifying the Census data, something he could absolutely do if in power.
If you're positing an actual conspiracy, sorry, I don't find that credible. If it's just some tweaks to how the data is interpreted, 1) that can't shift things very much, certainly less than the margin of many political victories, and 2) it won't matter in 10 years when the next census is taken, quite possibly by a Democratic administration.

If, that is, the Democrats can be not crazy. Which, I admit, seems like a big ask right about now. But maybe not in 10 years.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
All the Democrats have to do to win elections is not be crazy.

Actually, they have to overcome Republican shenanigans, too.

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If you're positing an actual conspiracy, sorry, I don't find that credible.....
....unless it's a Democrat conspiracy, in which case, damn the evidence, sign Zig up!

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Constitutional amendment to remove presidential term limits?
They are certainly going to try. If they succeed or not, I don't know. But, if they do, I suspect Trump won't last much more than 2 years into his third term, before something kicks him out, somehow. Sometimes it takes 10 years before a population recognizes the source of their messes.

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Selling off the National Parks?
To a certain degree, probably.

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Declaring war on Ukraine?
I don't know if it will be the Ukraine specifically, but he might be prone to declare war on something, at some point.
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They are certainly going to try.
Wanna bet?
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It's not a conspiracy, it's a Republican Strategy.
Why is Trump pushing so hard for data on Nationality in the Census? Why has he ordered the use of other sources of data to fill in nationality question if he doesn't get it in the Census?
Everyone looking at this understands it as a ploy to move seats from Blue States under the pretense that they have "millions of illegals voting".
Before putting this down as a conspiracy theory, maybe do a little research.
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