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Old 23rd September 2019, 12:55 AM   #1
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Pick a VP for the Dems who is not a Candidate

Title is hopefully clear:

Pick a VP for the Dems who is not a Candidate


I do think there will be a reluctance for the Nominee to pick one of the runner-ups as their VP. They will rather take someone on board who will somehow complement their policies/personalities without having been an outright rival.


Who, in this depleted field of Dems not running for President might be decent VP material?

Bonus points for matching them with a current Candidate.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 01:57 AM   #2
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Are we allowed to pick eliminated or soon-to-be-eliminated candidates? Or does it have to be somebody not in the debates?
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Old 23rd September 2019, 02:15 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Are we allowed to pick eliminated or soon-to-be-eliminated candidates? Or does it have to be somebody not in the debates?
Having absolute control, I decree that anyone who declared their candidacy or 2020 is off-limits...

...unless you have a solid argument for them.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 03:57 AM   #4
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You know, I'd rather not. Clinton's picking an old white guy out of nowhere came off badly. "I don't like Hillary, but this Kaine fella seems like a good guy," said absolutely no one.

Warren should pick Buttigieg or Harris. Both are more moderate than her, and would complement her policies without coming off as pandering.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 04:11 AM   #5
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Unless a miracle happens and Biden gets the nomination, the streak of D-VPs who didn't become President will continue.
Most in the current field think they will get another shot in 2024 or 2028 in case 2020 doesn't work out. I don't see them savoring the idea of being locked in the VP role for the foreseeable future.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 04:26 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Unless a miracle happens and Biden gets the nomination, the streak of D-VPs who didn't become President will continue.
Most in the current field think they will get another shot in 2024 or 2028 in case 2020 doesn't work out. I don't see them savoring the idea of being locked in the VP role for the foreseeable future.
Harris might have bigger ambitions, but Buttigieg would jump at the chance. His biggest weakness is a lack of political experience at the national level.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 04:31 AM   #7
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I'd like to see Stacy Abrams as VP, although I'm not sure if it's better than her being Governor.

Anyway, I say Warren and Abrams 2020.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 05:06 AM   #8
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The VP selection is often seen as a way of shoring up a weakness of the candidate, making a ticket that appeals to a wider audience. Biden was brought in to hopefully assuage conservative white wing of the party who perhaps saw Obama as much too uppity for a black man too progressive.

Not sure if someone like Bernie would follow such a precedent, but I imagine Warren or Biden would. Biden might select someone more progressive in a play for the farther left wing of the party. Warren might go for a more conservative, ideally minority candidate.

Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
I'd like to see Stacy Abrams as VP, although I'm not sure if it's better than her being Governor.

Anyway, I say Warren and Abrams 2020.
That makes sense to me. The more liberal wing of the party is often criticized as being too white and not having much appeal with the more conservative, black wing of the party. Someone like Abrams could boost credibility for a white, progressive candidate.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 06:25 AM   #9
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Tom Wolf, Governor of Pennsylvania. He has executive experience and can help win a state the Dems need badly.
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Joe Biden should pick Greta Thunberg.

Or maybe Warren can pick The Rock. That one has to be a winning ticket.
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I see former Governor of Tennessee, Phil Bredesen, as the ideal running mate
for Joseph Biden. He has a warm friendly tone. Together they feel like a pair
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Old 23rd September 2019, 06:54 AM   #12
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If Warren gets the nod, she needs to get Tammy Duckworth to run as the VP candidate.
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If Warren gets the nod, she needs to get Tammy Duckworth to run as the VP candidate.
Two women on the same ticket? Never gonna happen.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 09:55 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Solitaire View Post
I see former Governor of Tennessee, Phil Bredesen, as the ideal running mate
for Joseph Biden. He has a warm friendly tone. Together they feel like a pair
of well worn shoes.
The same Bredesen who decided to insult his progressive supporters by going on a rant about them a few weeks before his tight election against a moron running for Senate? You think Biden needs another old white guy running as a Republican-lite to try and attract those Trump voters that are going to vote Trump anyway?
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Old 23rd September 2019, 10:07 AM   #15
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How about Stanley McChrystal? He favors the Dems, apparently, despite his fallout with the Obama administration and would add some foreign policy and military credentials to a candidate like Warren or Harris.
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Rachel Dolezal would give Joe Biden some much-needed credibility with Black voters.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 10:12 AM   #17
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I'd like to see Stacy Abrams as VP, although I'm not sure if it's better than her being Governor.

Anyway, I say Warren and Abrams 2020.
That's been my thought, too.
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How about John Bolton? I hear he's a man of the left.
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Rachel Dolezal would give Joe Biden some much-needed credibility with Black voters.
Biden is already popular with black voters - particularly olde black voters. Sanders is a hit with the youngsters.
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I wouldn't mind Tishaura Jones as VP, but few outside of St Louis know who she is.
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I'd say Gavin Newsom but it would be a mistake for any Dem POTUS nominee to pick a VP from CA. There's no point and it could be a liability in the General. Regardless of record a CA dem will be seen as to lefty and the dems will take CA anyway.

There are a bunch of good choices among the current also rans. Warren will have the nomination and would be a could idea for her to pick a candidate who's seen as more moderate. Tulsi Gabbard or Pete Buttigigigigig would be the best choices.
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Biden is already popular with black voters - particularly olde black voters. Sanders is a hit with the youngsters.
You're right. Harris is the one who could really use Dolezal's help with Black voters.
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I'd say Gavin Newsom but it would be a mistake for any Dem POTUS nominee to pick a VP from CA. There's no point and it could be a liability in the General. Regardless of record a CA dem will be seen as to lefty and the dems will take CA anyway.

There are a bunch of good choices among the current also rans. Warren will have the nomination and would be a could idea for her to pick a candidate who's seen as more moderate. Tulsi Gabbard or Pete Buttigigigigig would be the best choices.
Tulsi would be an embarrassment to the administration, instead of a quiet no-op (Biden) or behind the scenes vizier (Cheney).

I feel like at this point in his career, VP would actually be a step down for Mayor Pete. He's got a whole political career in front of him. Plenty of opportunities for bigger and better Executive and Legislative office, if that's his pleasure. I think it'd be premature for him to settle for the Great National Political Consolation Prize at this point.
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I'd say Gavin Newsom but it would be a mistake for any Dem POTUS nominee to pick a VP from CA. There's no point and it could be a liability in the General. Regardless of record a CA dem will be seen as to lefty and the dems will take CA anyway.
The rich white governor of California? Not bloody likely.

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There are a bunch of good choices among the current also rans. Warren will have the nomination and would be a could idea for her to pick a candidate who's seen as more moderate. Tulsi Gabbard or Pete Buttigigigigig would be the best choices.
Even if Gabbard didn't have her own problems, like she seems to be angling to be Stupid's new SecDef, a non-christian woman on a ticket already headlined by a woman? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
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Biden is already popular with black voters - particularly olde black voters. Sanders is a hit with the youngsters.
I think you missed that theprestige was making a little joke

(Hint: Google Rachael Dolezal)
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I'd like to see Stacy Abrams as VP, although I'm not sure if it's better than her being Governor.

Anyway, I say Warren and Abrams 2020.
I bet she would be good at it, but I don't think Abrams wants that job this time around.
A couple of cycles from now she might be interested if she is not busy being governor.
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I think you missed that theprestige was making a little joke

(Hint: Google Rachael Dolezal)
I didn’t and I know who she is.

ETA: The joke works better with theprestige’s revision.
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I bet she would be good at it, but I don't think Abrams wants that job this time around.
A couple of cycles from now she might be interested if she is not busy being governor.
Abrams has already tossed her hat in the ring. Or, to be more accurate, has passed on the chance to take her hat out of the ring when asked by a fawning reporter.

Abrams' star rose with the great battle for the governorship of Georgia. She has a lot more on her side than Beto, but her rise could be like his, a flash in the pan. Not enough history. She needs to take on a GOP senator, or wait for the next gubernatorial election, or maybe Mayor of Atlanta.

Besides, my money is on Warren and as I said above, ain't no one thinking of running two women on the same ticket.

Any of the three top contenders is considered by the forgotten flyovers and the emerging west as East Coast Establishment. Sanders/Warren/Biden, to coin Bill Murray's description of Larry Bird, are not just white, they're so white that they're clear. Any one of them probably needs a black or hispanic running mate to stake out that traditional Democratic turf on civil and equal rights.

It's too early for all the political configurations to come into play, but some of the c.v. requirements should be obvious, should they take the nomination:
Biden needs someone younger and with regional appeal in the South or West and with progressive or very liberal credentials.
Sanders needs someone further to the middle of the political spectrum, younger, and with appeal outside the quads on campuses.
Warren needs someone with a dick, some midwestern or southern following, and a slightly darker hue.

I'm supposedly not allowed to pick named candidates, but Julian Castro covers most bases. I think a hispanic is de rigeur. Trump's lost his "my African American" guy and is in no danger to win a single black district. But the GOP has a certain appeal to conservative Hispanics, but that could be easily over-ridden with a Castro (or a longshot, Ruben Gallego).
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It will be some governor of one of those states that both Trump and Obama did well in, someone who's name is not well known outside of their state.
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Tom Wolf, Governor of Pennsylvania. He has executive experience and can help win a state the Dems need badly.
Age: 70.

Originally Posted by Solitaire View Post
I see former Governor of Tennessee, Phil Bredesen, as the ideal running mate
for Joseph Biden. He has a warm friendly tone. Together they feel like a pair
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Age: 75.

Isn't there anyone out there born after 1950?
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Jennifer Granholm? If its Biden or Sanders
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I'd say Gavin Newsom but it would be a mistake for any Dem POTUS nominee to pick a VP from CA. There's no point and it could be a liability in the General. Regardless of record a CA dem will be seen as to lefty and the dems will take CA anyway.

There are a bunch of good choices among the current also rans. Warren will have the nomination and would be a could idea for her to pick a candidate who's seen as more moderate. Tulsi Gabbard or Pete Buttigigigigig would be the best choices.

I just saw Newsom the other day,here in Sac, eating a ice cream sunday at Leatherby's…..
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Sarah Palin. They should pick her just out of respect for John McCain, the last good Republican.
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Two women on the same ticket? Never gonna happen.
Yeah, what happens if their cycles sync up?
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How about John Bolton? I hear he's a man of the left.
How about Michael Bolton? No political experience, but the Democrats could save money on their campaign theme songs.

Or Ramsey Bolton? Oops... never mind... too fictional.
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Jennifer Granholm? If its Biden or Sanders
Ineligible, and rightly so. She was born in Canada, and would hand over the nuclear launch codes to the first Mountie she saw.
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Gary Locke. He was governor of Washington State, famously moderate, of Chinese ethnicity. He served as US Ambassador to China. He's been tested on a world stage and been away from all the sausage making in Washington. He scratches more than a few Democratic itches while not someone Republicans feel terribly strongly about.
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Greta Thunberg.

I know, I know, but hear me out: We could amend the constitution so that she's eligible. And she's smart. And nominating her to such a high office would certainly impress schoolchildren around the world. It would be the perfect platform for her to advocate for better climate change policy in the US.
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Old 27th September 2019, 05:13 PM   #40
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Here's an oddball pick: How about Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona (for Joe Biden)? She's smart (graduated from BYU at age 18), young (43), attractive, has solid bipartisan credentials and self-identifies as bisexual. She's from a state that is sort of must-win for the Democrats in 2020, and IMHO is in play. I was suspicious of her when she ran for the Senate last year, but I have been impressed ever since.

Of course the things that impress me have depressed a lot of local Democrats who have been pushing the state party to censure her (for not being liberal enough). So if Biden is looking to tamp down a restive left flank, she's probably not going to do the trick. But if he can secure the nomination, she would be a good fit for his "I can work with the reasonable Republicans once Trump is gone," schtick.

Sinema probably is not a good fit for Warren or Sanders, and if either of them get the nomination I would consider Arizona too much of a reach for the Democrats anyway.
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