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Old 24th September 2019, 07:55 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Ha! Another! Sanders is 78. Biden is 76!
Biden is no spring chicken, but to claim he is 24173008995718593012665798216168545618338391479222 1709701601
02345664667224301768245099102208000000000000000000 times older than Bernie I think is a slight exaggeration.
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Old 24th September 2019, 07:55 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Hey, that's millions fewer jobs created!
Evidence?
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Old 24th September 2019, 07:56 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Evidence?
They're job creators! Given them more money, and they'll hire more people, get it?
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Old 24th September 2019, 08:00 AM   #44
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Well, you can create a million jobs that pay $1,000/month, or one job that pays 1 billon/month.
Amounts to pretty much the same.
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Old 24th September 2019, 08:13 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Hey, that's millions fewer jobs created!
Says who? Them?
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Says who? Them?
I have it on good authority that tax cuts would trickle down.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I have it on good authority that tax cuts would trickle down.
My mistake.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I have it on good authority that tax cuts would trickle down.
Like santorum down a chubby orange thigh.
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Joe's star seems to be falling. I like Joe. In terms of his politics, I think he's the best Democratic candidate. Liberal, but pragmatic. Just my kind of guy, except for his birthdate. I just don't want to vote for someone that old.

I don't want to vote for Warren or Sanders or Trump for the same reasons, and more, but they aren't quite as old as Biden.

But, Sanders is a guy who's too far left to actually identify as a Democrat. (I think he calls himself an "independent who caucuses with the Democrats" still in the Senate.) I don't want to vote for an avowed socialist. So, Warren? Still has the age problem, just not as bad as Biden, but she's stumbling all over herself promising to give away other people's money. She can provide free college and free health care and forgive student loans and all she has to do is raise taxes, but only a little bit and only on other people. That kind of fibbing would be an automatic disqualification in my book....except that if she gets the nomination she'll be running against Trump. Even if it were some other Republican, they would be telling the "if we cut taxes we'll get more money" fib, because you can't get the GOP nomination without telling that lie these days.

So, in an ironic twist, Joe's had some stumbles and may get caught up in someone else's scandal. His polls have dropped lately. He looks old. He might be on his way out.

I hope so, because unless he gets out soon, there's no way that a more moderate candidate, like Klobuchar, has any chance of sneaking in. If he gets out of the way, a younger candidate might be able to grab the middle lane, which is what I hope happens. Otherwise, I would have a choice between a socialist or Trump, which means I would have to vote for the socialist, and if the Dem wins, the only chance for divided government would have me rooting for a GOP senate victory.

Divided government is what I really want, so I suppose Trump as president with a united opposition congress would not be incredibly awful, but the "Trump as president" part really sticks in my craw.
I'm going to vote for Trump flaws and all. I wish Ted Cruz had won the Republican nomination rather than TRump but since Trump won I'll stick with him.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
My mistake.
The US is not a country of haves and have-nots, but one of haves and soon-to-haves. I have that from a similar authority.
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I'm going to vote for Trump flaws and all. I wish Ted Cruz had won the Republican nomination rather than TRump but since Trump won I'll stick with him.
May I ask why? Out of curiosity, that is.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
The US is not a country of haves and have-nots, but one of haves and soon-to-haves. I have that from a similar authority.
When will I get mine? The clock is ticking.
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When will I get mine? The clock is ticking.
You have more than the vast majority of humanity in all of human history. Now you are just greedy.
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When will I get mine? The clock is ticking.
"But someday I might be rich, and people like me better watch their step!" Philip J Fry true voice of america.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
When will I get mine? The clock is ticking.
Dude, I don't know. I'm Canadian. We're all Haves, here.
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Old 24th September 2019, 08:59 AM   #56
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Evidence?
That's the thing about jobs. Nobody actually knows how they're created. Some people think that raising taxes creates jobs. Some people think that freeing up investment capital creates jobs. Some people think that building a bridge or a telephone network creates jobs.* But the reality is that nobody knows just what-all goes into creating a job, or how to measure it, or if it's even possible to create jobs at all. Maybe jobs just happen.

Anyway, the point isn't the alleged job creation (or lack thereof). The point is: We need money. They have money. So we're going to take their money. What are we going to spend it on? Who knows? Job creation? Hookers and blow? Kickbacks? Doesn't matter. What matters is, whatever we do with the money it's still better than letting them do things with it.


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*Obviously the building of the bridge or the network means jobs for the builders. Some people think that the existence of these things creates additional jobs, beyond the jobs of building these things.

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"But someday I might be rich, and people like me better watch their step!" Philip J Fry true voice of america.
There you go.
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That's the thing about jobs. Nobody actually knows how they're created. Some people think that raising taxes creates jobs. Some people think that freeing up investment capital creates jobs. Some people think that building a bridge or a telephone network creates jobs.* But the reality is that nobody knows just what-all goes into creating a job, or how to measure it, or if it's even possible to create jobs at all. Maybe jobs just happen.

Anyway, the point isn't the alleged job creation (or lack thereof). The point is: We need money. They have money. So we're going to take their money. What are we going to spend it on? Who knows? Job creation? Hookers and blow? Kickbacks? Doesn't matter. What matters is, whatever we do with the money it's still better than letting them do things with it.
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*Obviously the building of the bridge or the network means jobs for the builders. Some people think that the existence of these things creates additional jobs, beyond the jobs of building these things.
Jobs are created by demand. Period.
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Jobs are created by demand. Period.
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That's the thing about jobs. Nobody actually knows how they're created. Some people think that raising taxes creates jobs. Some people think that freeing up investment capital creates jobs. Some people think that building a bridge or a telephone network creates jobs.* But the reality is that nobody knows just what-all goes into creating a job, or how to measure it, or if it's even possible to create jobs at all. Maybe jobs just happen.

Anyway, the point isn't the alleged job creation (or lack thereof). The point is: We need money. They have money. So we're going to take their money. What are we going to spend it on? Who knows? Job creation? Hookers and blow? Kickbacks? Doesn't matter. What matters is, whatever we do with the money it's still better than letting them do things with it.


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Jobs are created by demand. Period.
Sounds like Liberals know how jobs are created better than conservatives do.
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Meadmaker.

In what way is Bernie an "avowed socialist"? The only problem with it is that he once said it long ago.
There's nothing he proposes that calls for the scaremongering he usually receives.
He proposed a wealth registry just today. He's a socialist...
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He proposed a wealth registry just today. He's a socialist...
not a sufficient criterion
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not a sufficient criterion
Bull puckey, He's an obvious Socialist and rooting for the underdog doesn't win election.
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Bull puckey, He's an obvious Socialist and rooting for the underdog doesn't win election.
it did for Trump...
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Like santorum down a chubby orange thigh.
Hehe! Trump is so gay!
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it did for Trump...

A whole lot of that responsibility lies with complacent Democrats who assumed that Hillary (another horrible choice) was a shoe in, and stayed home while the right came out to vote.
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A whole lot of that responsibility lies with complacent Democrats who assumed that Hillary (another horrible choice) was a shoe in, and stayed home while the right came out to vote.
Sorry, in the era of Trump you don't get to use the word "horrible" to describe someone who, at worst, would've been another boring establishment stooge.
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the top 15 wealthiest Americans as estimated by Forbes magazine would collectively have seen their net worth drop to just under $434 billion had Warren’s plan been in effect since 1982. That’s down from about $942 billion.


What a tragedy.
They're talking about getting divorced to avoid it:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/2...twitter%7Cmain

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How married couples can avoid Elizabeth Warren's wealth tax
They're already framing it as the "Million dollar marriage penalty".
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If you've got millions to play with, why is keeping a few extra thousands so important?

I don't mind getting into a new tax bracket if my wages increase. What a bunch of greedy hogs.
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The point is: We need money. They have money. So we're going to take their money. What are we going to spend it on? Who knows? Job creation? Hookers and blow? Kickbacks? Doesn't matter. What matters is, whatever we do with the money it's still better than letting them do things with it.
We're going to write off a lot of people's education debt, have universal k-16 education, and have actual UHC.
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They're talking about getting divorced to avoid it:
Sanctity of marriage, and all that....
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Sorry, in the era of Trump you don't get to use the word "horrible" to describe someone who, at worst, would've been another boring establishment stooge.
With plenty of dirty baggage all her own, Bengazi etc, so no, the Clintons suck to. Both parties suck, neither gets a pass.
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With plenty of dirty baggage all her own, Bengazi etc, so no, the Clintons suck to. Both parties suck, neither gets a pass.
Ben Ghazi? A nothinburger if there ever was one. For three years the Republicans tried to make a big deal out of that and that she had an email server set up in her home and got nothing.

I think Hillary was one of the least inspiring politicians I've seen. But she was super smart, incredibly hard working and a good human being.

Trump is none of those things. He's lazy, ignorant, self centered and boorish beyond belief. His political career is entirely the result of dividing the nation and appealing to the worst of us as people. He's a lying POS who I wouldn't trust with my dog let alone being responsible for the welfare of the nation.
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Hehe! Trump is so gay!
And gay is bad.
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With plenty of dirty baggage all her own, Bengazi etc, so no, the Clintons suck to. Both parties suck, neither gets a pass.
Benghazi? Dude, you've been listening to right-wing talking points too much. There was nothing there.

As for the "etc.", what does it stand for? You couldn't name more than one thing? Personally the only thing that bothers me about her is that she seems to be in cahoots with Wall Street.
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Ben Ghazi? A nothinburger if there ever was one. For three years the Republicans tried to make a big deal out of that and that she had an email server set up in her home and got nothing.

I think Hillary was one of the least inspiring politicians I've seen. But she was super smart, incredibly hard working and a good human being.

Trump is none of those things. He's lazy, ignorant, self centered and boorish beyond belief. His political career is entirely the result of dividing the nation and appealing to the worst of us as people. He's a lying POS who I wouldn't trust with my dog let alone being responsible for the welfare of the nation.
I agree.
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When will I get mine? The clock is ticking.
Point is not if it's true or not, but most Amereican like to think of themselves as wealthy people to be who have not quite reached that point yet.

And I do not see this changing much.
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Biden seems focused on bi-partisanship - his ability to 'work across the aisle'.
This is an obsolete strategy, and Joe seems out of touch.
As Mitch McConnell has demonstrated so convincingly; bi-partisanship is dead, deceased, no longer among the living, pining for the fjords.
Makes Joe look even older.
If bi partisan ship is dead, then democracy is dead, and all we have left is which brand of authorianism to choose.
That is one thing that scares me: that the left adapt the same exact tactics the GOP does on the grounds that "it's what works".
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Point is not if it's true or not, but most Amereican like to think of themselves as wealthy people to be who have not quite reached that point yet.

And I do not see this changing much.
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