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Old 10th October 2019, 12:17 PM   #1641
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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The President of the Ukraine just stated again, in the strongest of language, that President Trump applied no pressure and did absolutely nothing wrong. He used the strongest language possible. That should end this Democrat Scam, but it wonít, because the Dems & Media are FIXED!
This is interesting. Although Zelensky isn't saying he felt threatened during the call, the transcript released by the White House shows that Trump did issue the threats. Zelensky perhaps has different feelings about the call than we do here in the west, or his memories of it are different, or he's trying to pacify an unstable and unreliable Trump in the hopes Trump doesn't try to pull the rug out from under him again.

I certainly don't envy his position. On one side of him is Putin, who's smart, cunning, ruthless, and has his eyes on Ukrainian territory and assets, and on the other side is the USA, an ally but one currently with leader who can't be trusted.
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Old 10th October 2019, 12:40 PM   #1642
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NATO Ally threatens humanitarian crisis on other NATO allies.

Channel 4 News report President Erdogan threatens to send millions of Syrian refugees to Europe if the EU labels Turkey’s military incursion as an occupation.

“We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way."
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Old 10th October 2019, 12:41 PM   #1643
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Thank you to @OANN One America News for your fair coverage and brilliant reporting. It is appreciated by many people trying so hard to find a new, consistent and powerful VOICE! See you tonight at the Big Rally in Minneapolis.
Too bad Fox, you've been dumped for a younger model.
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Old 10th October 2019, 12:43 PM   #1644
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Too bad Fox, you've been dumped for a younger model.
Ha!
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Old 10th October 2019, 12:53 PM   #1645
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
This is interesting. Although Zelensky isn't saying he felt threatened during the call, the transcript released by the White House shows that Trump did issue the threats. Zelensky perhaps has different feelings about the call than we do here in the west, or his memories of it are different, or he's trying to pacify an unstable and unreliable Trump in the hopes Trump doesn't try to pull the rug out from under him again.

I certainly don't envy his position. On one side of him is Putin, who's smart, cunning, ruthless, and has his eyes on Ukrainian territory and assets, and on the other side is the USA, an ally but one currently with leader who can't be trusted.
We can and should dismiss what Zelenski says. Taking him at face value is not unlike taking a hostage who is reading a prepared statement at face value.
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Old 10th October 2019, 01:11 PM   #1646
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It's possible that there's a bit of a generational issue at work here, now that I think about it. In the mid `90s I took a History of Japan course as an elective in college. My mother, who was born in 1945, responded "Why do you want to study them? They attacked us!" More than 50 years after an attack that happened before she was born, the war was still the primary driver of her attitude in this area.
I have relatives who fought in the Pacific Theater, so I understand the attitude.

But what I donít get is an adversity to simply studying their history. Itís not like one is doing business with them. The Japanese donít gain anything by an American taking a college history course.
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Old 10th October 2019, 01:18 PM   #1647
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Sure, they are popular when they arrest and eliminate political opposition like Putin did.
I am not saying he isn't a violent dictator, but the idea that dictators are universally reviled in their own nation is one that gets in the way of understanding dictatorships.
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Old 10th October 2019, 01:20 PM   #1648
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Hey, Hitler was pretty damn popular too...until he begun to lose the war.
People still give Stalin credit for winning WWII.
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Old 10th October 2019, 01:23 PM   #1649
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
I have relatives who fought in the Pacific Theater, so I understand the attitude.

But what I donít get is an adversity to simply studying their history. Itís not like one is doing business with them. The Japanese donít gain anything by an American taking a college history course.
And then there is the things like my great uncle who 50 years after taking a katana home as a trophy made sure it got back to the family who owned it for long before the war.
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Old 10th October 2019, 01:33 PM   #1650
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2/3 of both houses is a heavy lift. And 2/3 of the state assemblies is an even heavier lift, especially in a world where Trump wins the electoral college. Doesn't sound feasible.
There's an alternative way. If one could get enough states to pass a bill saying their electoral votes go to the national popular vote winner, then the Electoral College would be moot.
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Old 10th October 2019, 02:16 PM   #1651
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Anthony Scaramucci tweeted

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He is finished. He wants to wreak more havoc though before he leaves. @realDonaldTrump has bills to pay. https://twitter.com/joenbc/status/1182074269901185024

Mr Scaramucci should start a "Victims of Trump" support group.
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Old 10th October 2019, 02:53 PM   #1652
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Two Giuliani associates arrested at Dulles airport with one way tickets out of the country three hours after a meeting with Rudy.
Speaks for itself, really.
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Old 10th October 2019, 03:16 PM   #1653
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
I have relatives who fought in the Pacific Theater, so I understand the attitude.

But what I donít get is an adversity to simply studying their history. Itís not like one is doing business with them. The Japanese donít gain anything by an American taking a college history course.
It's personal. I had a co-worker who would never talk to a Japanese-American we worked with. I asked around, and it turned out his attitude was: "I was a tail gunner. His people were shooting at me."
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:04 PM   #1654
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Two Giuliani associates arrested at Dulles airport with one way tickets out of the country three hours after a meeting with Rudy.
Speaks for itself, really.
Giuliani under the bus by tomorrow afternoon.
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:04 PM   #1655
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It's personal. I had a co-worker who would never talk to a Japanese-American we worked with. I asked around, and it turned out his attitude was: "I was a tail gunner. His people were shooting at me."
It's unfortunate that your co-worker wasn't fired for that ********.

When I was a kid, there was a neighbor kid whose father had been in Vietnam and this neighbor kid would drop Asian racial epithets all the time, claiming that he was entitled because of his dad's experience. My dad was in the Korean War (about 20 years older than other dads of my classmates), yet somehow never once made me think that it was okay to use racial epithets or otherwise treat people badly based on where they came from or the color of their skin. He certainly never had a problem with my Korean-American best friend from elementary school.

TL;DR version: People have all kinds of excuses for being racists. They're all ********.
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:07 PM   #1656
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We defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate and no longer have any troops in the area under attack by Turkey, in Syria. We did our job perfectly! Now Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who have been fighting each other for 200 years....

....We have one of three choices: Send in thousands of troops and win Militarily, hit Turkey very hard Financially and with Sanctions, or mediate a deal between Turkey and the Kurds!
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Trump tomorrow, The Kurds didn't even help us in the Civil War!
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Trump tomorrow, The Kurds didn't even help us in the Civil War!
Where were they when we needed their help at Yorktown?
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Two Giuliani associates arrested at Dulles airport with one way tickets out of the country three hours after a meeting with Rudy.
Speaks for itself, really.
Who tipped them off?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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We defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate and no longer have any troops in the area under attack by Turkey, in Syria. We did our job perfectly! Now Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who have been fighting each other for 200 years....



....We have one of three choices: Send in thousands of troops and win Militarily, hit Turkey very hard Financially and with Sanctions, or mediate a deal between Turkey and the Kurds!
Turkey says they aren't actually in there to attack the Kurds but to fight ISIS.
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Trump tomorrow, The Kurds didn't even help us in the Civil War!
Who would he mean by "us?"
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Who tipped them off?
They had a summons for a court appreance this morning, apparently, and knew it was a 99% chance they were going to be indicted.
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Where were they when we needed their help at Yorktown?
Were'nt much help in the War of 1812 either.
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We can and should dismiss what Zelenski says. Taking him at face value is not unlike taking a hostage who is reading a prepared statement at face value.
Quite. The more pressured he feels the more vehemently he'll deny it. What he really wants, of course, is not to have been dragged into any of this. Congress has his back, and he doesn't have to lobby hard for that.

To fix Ukraine he needs to fix the administration and the civil service, against severe pushback, and those pushing back can now try to undermine him by cosying-up to Giuliani and Trump and whispering sweet slanders in their ears.
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Trump tomorrow, The Kurds didn't even help us in the Civil War!
Either side!
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Trump Tweets

We defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate and no longer have any troops in the area under attack by Turkey, in Syria. We did our job perfectly! Now Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who have been fighting each other for 200 years....

....We have one of three choices: Send in thousands of troops and win Militarily, hit Turkey very hard Financially and with Sanctions, or mediate a deal between Turkey and the Kurds!
Oh, I forgot this last one.
Pres. Trump wants a Nobel Peace Prize more than anything. He might have convinced himself that he can broker a deal for peace with the Kurds.
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I know there is a lot to choose from, but for sheer Trump stupidity , the "Kurds did not help us in Normancy" remark has got to be near the top.
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Oh, I forgot this last one.
Pres. Trump wants a Nobel Peace Prize more than anything. He might have convinced himself that he can broker a deal for peace with the Kurds.
Trump has as much chance of winning the Nobel Peace Prize as I do for winning the Nobel for my work in chemistry. Although I have heard I have a shot at the Physics prize.
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Who tipped them off?
I rather think the FBI were on their case as potential absconders well before Parnas and Fruman bought their tickets - perhaps online, by credit-card?
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Trump has as much chance of winning the Nobel Peace Prize as I do for winning the Nobel for my work in chemistry. Although I have heard I have a shot at the Physics prize.
"Shoulda won it!"
From being laughed at out loud by the UN General Assembly to the Nobel Peace Prize ... even in today's world there are still things that ain't gonna happen.
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He might have convinced himself that he can broker a deal for peace with the Kurds.
I don't think it's all that outlandish that he could. He's friendly with both Erdoğan and Assad.

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"Shoulda won it!"
From being laughed at out loud by the UN General Assembly to the Nobel Peace Prize ... even in today's world there are still things that ain't gonna happen.
At first, I thought you meant me.
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I know there is a lot to choose from, but for sheer Trump stupidity , the "Kurds did not help us in Normancy" remark has got to be near the top.
Worse is that "the Kurds have been fighting each other for 200 years". The reason that there are still Kurds around is that they haven't fought each other, but instead have fought together everybody else that's come along to a standstill, for thousands of years. Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Turks, the British Empire (which resorted to dropping chemical weapons on them), and still there they are, featuring on the world stage and a force to be reckoned with. The same people Xenophon described two and a half thousand years ago.

I suspect Erdogan's going to regret his campaign, and not just because of anything the US does. Kurds are the definitive enemy that plans do not survive first contact with.
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At first, I thought you meant me.
I'll never forget that moment in the debate, or at least not until I'm as senile as Giuliani. That and "No puppet! You're the puppet!". Priceless.
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
Who would he mean by "us?"
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
I don't think it's all that outlandish that he could. He's friendly with both Erdoğan and Assad.

It's not outlandish that a deal can be done between Erdogan, Assad and the Kurds, but of course it's outlandish to think that Trump could have any part in brokering it. He might claim he has, but none of them would give him any credit. Putin, on the other hand, could credibly claim to have a hand in it, and has not yet betrayed the Kurds. The Kurds will no doubt believe that he might, but Putin hasn't yet proved that he will. Trump has.
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
Worse is that "the Kurds have been fighting each other for 200 years". The reason that there are still Kurds around is that they haven't fought each other, but instead have fought together everybody else that's come along to a standstill, for thousands of years. Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Turks, the British Empire (which resorted to dropping chemical weapons on them), and still there they are, featuring on the world stage and a force to be reckoned with. The same people Xenophon described two and a half thousand years ago.

I suspect Erdogan's going to regret his campaign, and not just because of anything the US does. Kurds are the definitive enemy that plans do not survive first contact with.
I believe there are ancient Assyrian writings complaining about the Kurds. You had to be a special kind of tough to irritate the ancient Assyrians.
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I believe there are ancient Assyrian writings complaining about the Kurds. You had to be a special kind of tough to irritate the ancient Assyrians.
And Saladin who whipped the crap out of the Crusaders was a Kurd.
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