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Old 4th April 2020, 04:43 AM   #3161
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
So LAbour may finally have competent leadership, shame its about 2 years too late.
Pretty much my feeling too.
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Old 4th April 2020, 07:09 AM   #3162
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Pretty much my feeling too.
And his supporters have taken control of the NEC, meaning he can make the changes he wants without fighting endless battles with the Corbynites, well at least he can make good use of the four more years before he gets a shot at removing Boris from Number 10 and hopefully make a better fist of putting the government on the spot over its practically non-existent Brexit policy.
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I think Starmer is a good man and honest, I think Corbyn is too fwiw, but I think Starmer is competent, and (depressing as it is that this matters) he looks the part. I want to see him holding Johnson's feet to the fire until the entire Palace of Westminster is choking on the thick oily smoke of his burning soles.
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So LAbour may finally have competent leadership, shame its about 2 years too late.
Did Labo(u)r get a new head screw?
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Pretty much my feeling too.
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Old 6th April 2020, 06:27 AM   #3166
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See we donít need the EU https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other
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Old 6th April 2020, 09:04 AM   #3167
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Utterly unexpected.
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Old 7th April 2020, 12:19 AM   #3168
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
I think Starmer is a good man and honest, I think Corbyn is too fwiw, but I think Starmer is competent, and (depressing as it is that this matters) he looks the part. I want to see him holding Johnson's feet to the fire until the entire Palace of Westminster is choking on the thick oily smoke of his burning soles.
Corbyn might have been, but he likes Milne, who is pretty unsavoury.
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Brexit and Covid-12

From this Reuters piece.

With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence.

Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnsonís spokesman blamed an administrative error.
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From this Reuters piece.

With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence.

Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnsonís spokesman blamed an administrative error.

Some might say his entire administration is an error.
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Old 16th April 2020, 01:15 AM   #3171
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Romanians flying into UK today to work on Lincolnshire farms
Farms worried that food will rot in fields hire from Eastern Europe after local recruitment fails

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Old 16th April 2020, 01:25 AM   #3172
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Now we're chartering planes to bring Romanians here to pick our fruit.
That is how desperate Britain is for immigrant workers.
And how dependent we are upon them.
They plan to import 1000 Romanian farm workers but it is way short of the 40,000 needed.
Bear in mind also that the Brits who have signed up for farm work, two thirds of them have never worked on a farm.
This was always going to be an issue after Brexit, pandemic or not.

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Old 16th April 2020, 02:45 AM   #3173
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Bear in mind also that the Brits who have signed up for farm work, two thirds of them have never worked on a farm.
I wonder how many who have signed up a) turn up and b) last more than 1 day.
I also wonder how many of those who stumble at those two hurdles have uttered the phrase: "They've never done an honest day's work in their lives."
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Old 16th April 2020, 03:34 AM   #3174
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Some Tory wonk was on the radio earlier on about how increasing use of 'automation' would mean the need for so many farm workers would be reduced.

That's a help with the harvest in the meantime.
He had no ******* clue.
Maybe he thinks we can just use 3d printers to make strawberries and peas.
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Old 16th April 2020, 04:26 AM   #3177
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I presume that applecorped is pointing out that a lot of what is being brought up in this thread is what is currently happening or what has already happened rather than making predictions for the future - and that this has been going on for years.
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Old 16th April 2020, 11:16 AM   #3179
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UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours:

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If the court determines that Johnson misled the Queen, that would make his position untenable, according to Dominic Grieve, the former Conservative attorney general.
What does "untenable" mean? He's out as PM? He's lost power and can no longer be effective (is "no longer" too generous?)?
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UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours:

https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f
Except of course that the UK is the one in the position of strength in the negotiations, and the Coronavirus induced economic crisis merely enhances that position.

Those German car makers are doubtless hammering on Frau Merkel's door insisting that the UK is given tariff and quota free access to the EU market without having to adhere to any of the EU's rules or being subject to the jurisdiction of any EU organisations.

The EU will doubtless announce that they agree to any and all of the UK's terms and furthermore they're very, very sorry for dragging things out and not doing so immediately.
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Except of course that the UK is the one in the position of strength in the negotiations, and the Coronavirus induced economic crisis merely enhances that position.

Those German car makers are doubtless hammering on Frau Merkel's door insisting that the UK is given tariff and quota free access to the EU market without having to adhere to any of the EU's rules or being subject to the jurisdiction of any EU organisations.

The EU will doubtless announce that they agree to any and all of the UK's terms and furthermore they're very, very sorry for dragging things out and not doing so immediately.
Of course! I should have remembered that especially if you include Italian prosecco producers into the list. I was so silly to doubt the government's wisdom and negotiating prowess
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Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.
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Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.

Do you mean the ones on the M20?
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UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours:

https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f
Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?
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Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?
Boris: "Hold my beer."
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Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.
Yeah, those. You can keep those. No, really. It's ok...

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Boris: "Hold my beer."
In other news new National Anthem Announced "Abide With Me"
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What does "untenable" mean? He's out as PM? He's lost power and can no longer be effective (is "no longer" too generous?)?
Untenable means nothing to people like Trump or Boris.
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Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?
If we wait for a time when this forum doesn't think leaving the EU is going to bring ruin to the UK, its going to be a long long wait.
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Untenable means nothing to people like Trump or Boris.

Yeah itís an ancient practice in politics.

I expect many budding historians of the future will really have to try and get their heads around the concept that when caught doing something wrong a politician resigns, it is going to be inconceivable to future generations.
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Johnsons's paymasters are going to engineer a no deal brexit when all this is over, aren't they?

Austerity, as far as the eye can see...
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Johnsons's paymasters are going to engineer a no deal brexit when all this is over, aren't they?

Austerity, as far as the eye can see...
Yes and all negative consequences that cannot be blamed on the EU can be blamed on Coronavirus
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They get to do it all quietly, while nobody's looking. That's a result for them.
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Is that our post Brexit armoured division he's sat in?
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It's the latest incarnation of your mainline battle tank.
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It's the latest incarnation of your mainline battle tank.
Oh well, at least it should work now.
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