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23rd January 2016, 03:11 AM | #161 |
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I am going where the evidence leads me, and the relevant evidence on record here is your pure inacccurate paranoia against individual persons you alleged to be "Israelis" (without a shred of evidence) and alleged to have blood on their hands (without a shred of evidence).
So what? Does that mean most Jews of Prague were not murder or most of the rest did not emigrate long before the Bazants did? It is a piece of evidence. Now we know that one of Bazant's four grandparents is not Jewish. Burden of evidence is on you: You need to present evidence that Bazant is a Jew, or is a citizen of Israel. You provided none. Please disclose your source for the allegation that Bazant is Jewish or Israeli! Wrong, and the opposite is true: This is a thread on anti-semitism and Truthers, and YOU, notconvinced, brought Bazant and Chertoff into this thread because you allege they are Evil Jews. It is the ONLY thing that's relevant here. Please do the fathoming for me! How many people did in fact die because of the papers that only a small fringe of people read? Please list and number only those that would be still alive if Bazant had not bothered to write a few papers! You make an assertion. If you want to be taken serious, perhaps you want to bring that up in another thread. I am quite contented with dismissing your libel out of hand. I second Georgio: Please disclose your source for this claim! As Georgio points out, a "pheasant" in Czech is a slang term for "newbies" in general - rookie, novice (Czech synonym is "nováček"). The term is not used solely for military novices, as you also know, and the first meaning still is "pheasant", as you also know. Do you also know that "bažant" is hospital slang for a portable urinal for male patients that can't get out of bed? Why didn't you write "Bazant means urinal" and spin some anti-semitic dreck out of that? When JF Kennedy said "Ich bin ein Berliner" in Berlin, everybody immediately understood that he meant "I am a citizen of Berlin". It took an American to point out to me that a "Berliner" is a kind of gelly-filled pastry, not unlike donuts. It never occurred to me to invoke this secondary meaning to parse Kennedy when the primary meaning is just fine. Also, what did you mean to imply when accusing Bazant of being a deep state plant with a suspicious name - do you think the name is faked? That would either imply that the Vast Jewish 9/11 Conspirace that you believe in began generations ago, even before the baptism of Bazants Grandfather in 1878; Or, in case the name "Bazant" is a more recent coinage more directly related to the 9/11 operation, that the Evil Jews have forged documents, even including old birth certificates, to make it appear that a professor at Northwestern has a long, highly distinguished career with many papers and books to his name, going all the way back to the 1950s, when in fact he is a recent plant? Don't you see how utterly utterly ridiculous your arguments, intended to defend your blatant and obvious anti-semitism, really are? Please provide evidence that this one was! Please provide evidence that Bazant is a Jew! Please provide evidence that Bazant is an Israeli! Please provide evidence that Chertoff is an Israeli! Please lay open your source for the claim that Bazant is an Israeli! Please lay open your source for the claim that Chertoff is an Israeli! |
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The case of Joshua Blakeney.
Joshua Blakeney is a young, British-born journalist in Canada, a favorite of his former teacher Anthony Hall (professor of Globalization Studies at the University of Lethbridge); both are 9/11 Truthers. We already had a thread on Blakeney in 2011, connecting him with holocaust deniers and anti-semitism: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=210055 That thread actually failed to put any specific and evidence-based blame on Blakeney beyond association - although association is relevant where it is a choice. For example: He is a staff-writer for Veterans Today, where he has the titel of "Bureau Chief Canada" together with Hall. It is well known that VT is pathologically obsessed with putting blame for every evil in the world on "Zionism" and Israel, and Blakeney is no exception: Just look at the titles of his own articles:
This is clearly a choice. Blakeney has also been Iranian state propaganda channel "Press TV’s Canadian correspondent based in Calgary, Alberta" since 2010. where he stated that he has "been forced by the actions and statements of Canada’s ruling neoconservatives to hone in on the role Zionists and the organized Jewish community play in Canadian society". Read this: "Canada’s current government has shifted this country from being a comparatively benign and peaceful nation to being a warmongering de facto colony of Israel". Wow. I can agree that being a critic of the government of Israel, or of the way western government deal with Israel and her policies, does not an anti-semite make. But such over-the-top proclamations like describing Canada today as a "de facto colony of Israel" very clearly is anti-semitic - it is guided by a very distorted perception of reality that assigns vastly more blame to "Israel" than is proportional to their deeds and actual power. So is Blakeney more than just an enemy of Israel and Zionism? A holocaust denier perhaps? Yes, he is. He may not have himself gone on record saying "I declare the holocaust is a hoax", but he gives holocaust deniers ("HDers" henceforward) the podium in very friedly, sympathetic moderation: Robert Faurisson: Radio-Interview with Joshua Blakeney (Feb 2nd, 2014) (on YouTube) Robert Faurisson is one of the leading HDers in the world. I will hasten to point out that it can be ok for a journalist to interview an HDer and publish the interview, but of course I'd expect the journalist to have prepared and ask critical questions, and interject when implausible claims are being made. That is most decidedly NOT what Blakeney did here! For example at 10:45 in the interview, RD relates an anecdote how he was once attacked by some thugs in a park, and an 18-year old guy came to his help, who later said he regretted to have saved an HDers life. Blakeney reacts to this anecdote with this question (11:55) JB: "So what kind of political environment and propaganda environment exists in France, where a young student wishes an elderly man, who has merely written statements about history, to be abused and violently attacked? Like what kind of psychological environment exists, where that young man is brainwashed and indoctrinated to regret having prevented you being assailed by these individuals?"Alright, so the HDer, in Blakeney's eyes, is a harmless eldery man who has not done anything of note, while the young courageous man with convictions is smeared as being "brainwashed". After this, he lets Faurisson have the floor for almost 12 minutes, interjecting only a couple of helpful suggestions for wordings, as to make sure the HDer gets his message out. Then, before a break, he agrees with Faurisson about a point (ca. 23:45). After the break (beginning 24:03), he summarizes the first part as Faurisson "explaining" "why, in his view, the official story of the holocaust is not defensible and is not supported by evidence, in particular when it comes to the so-called gas chambers". Aha - "so-called". We get your drift, Joshua. This would be as good time as any to challange Faurisson's "explanations" - but Joshua procedes to tell about his visit to Auschwitz and the "gas-chambers" he was shown there, giving Faurisson a chance to rant about how what you see in Auschwitz today really aren't actual gas chambers (which everybody knows - shooting at a strawman). Blakeney admits in passing that he is "not an expert on this subject" (24:47). Great critical journalism! This is not the only time Blakeney gave HDers the a chance to poison the world. Here "Joshua Blakeney interviewed David Cole, the Jewish Holocaust Revisionist" - April 2014 (on YouTube): Confessions of A Jewish Holocaust Revisionist: From David Cole to David Stein to David Cole The English Wikipedia doesn't have an article on Cole, but the German WP has. Born to secular Jewish parents in 1968, he met British nationalist and HDer David McCalden in the late 1980s, who introduced him to HDism and Ernst Zündel, and Cole became Zündel's camera man in Auschwitz in 1993. In 1998, Cole declared that he had absolved from HDism, took on the pseudonym "David Stein" and embarked on a career as conservative blogger and networking, taking over in 2009 the web site "Republican Party Animal". In 2013, he was outed, and confessed to still believe the holocaust is a hoax. Blakeney introduces Cole thus: JB: "Welcome to this episode of The Real Deal. ... today I'm joined by an extrelemy interesting guest, whose story will be, I think, of interest to most of the listenership. He is David Cole slash Stein, who is a Jewish holocaust revisionist, someone who came to prominence in the early days of World War Two revisionism, of course, when people began probing into the events of World War Two critically and formed what has now become known as the 'historical revisionist movement' or the 'holocaust revisionist movement'. Many Jews took an interest in that from a very hostile point of view and weren't really interested in allowing those arguments to be voiced, but David Cole was unique in that, after evaluating the arguments of historical revisionists, he came to the conclusion that they were actually barking up the right tree ... This lead him to receive hostility from the usual suspects, obviously many vested interests don't like the idea of the official story of the holocaust being watered down or being revised. ... You went underground and then began fraternizing with the other side, those who were promoting the official story of the holocaust... So welcome to the show, David!"Aha. So HDism becomes critical research, and the usual suspects (read: Joooos!) are the hostile party here. Let me jump forward at random. At 10:32: JB: "One thing I have noticed, and I'm quite new to this subject, is that the holocaust lobbyists, or the exterminationists, whichever epither we want to use, they portray those trials [of Zündel, Lipstadt, Irving] as having been a victory for their side, because of course in the Lipstadt trial and subsequent trials, Germar Rudolf or Frederick Toben down in Australia, the judiciary sided with the exterminationists against holocaust skeptics."It couldn't be any clearer whose side Blakeney is on: Joshua Blakeney is a holocaust denier. |
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The reason I am bringing up Joshua Blakeney, the holocaust denying anti-semite, is that AE911Truth has the gall to give him a platform on their internet radio format "9/11 Free Fall Radio":
https://www.facebook.com/ae911truth/...53224405041269
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(An archive is here - I didn't bother to listen) So now we have AE911Truth actively associating with at least 3 holocaust deniers:
Haven't checked out Anthony J. Hall yet - he, too, associates with Barrett and of course with Blakeney. |
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Pretty sad people these 911 'truthers' that they take on Holocaust denial and anti Semitic nonsense
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I'm surprised to see the name of David Cole there. Isn't that the guy in gerrycan's group?
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It's inevitable that another University will categorically annihilate the implausible fiction that is Bazant's WTC work. They will do it because it's correct, not out of antisemitism. Here's Zednek himself relaying the story of his grandfather narrowly escaping death in the concentration camps. http://youtu.be/Ov3W5odcdpU I concede that the meaning 'military recruit' is just a coincidence, and that our Jewish friend Bazant is less likely deep cover and more likely just overtly loyal to the MIMAC. Given that the ASCE published his nonsense so quickly after the tragedy, the treachery was clearly a coordinated effort. Sent from our shared looking glass platform |
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Nice attempt at magnanimity, but no cigar I'm afraid, old chap.
The meaning 'military recruit', as well as garnering a stundie nomination, has not been shown to be a translation of Bazant in any language. The idea that he is Jewish ( and I note the shift from "Israeli") is also unproven. Slanderous accusations of treachery, no matter how oft repeated, do not become justified without evidence. "More likely" and "clearly" are your opinions, and do not constitute such evidence. |
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"Annihilate" - what a word to use in connection with someone you (falsely) believe to be a Jew.
Would that be the grandfather that was a baptised Catholic? So you think he was sent to Auschwitz because he was a Jew? You couldn't be any wronger! Let's listen carefully to that story: "I remember my grandpa returning from concentration camp, it was very lucky because his good friend, professor Zurich Korosh (?), learned of his imprisonment and intervened with the Allies and put him on a list to be exchanged. So my grandpa and the others, leaders of Sokol he was one of the five leaders were on transport to Auschwitz, all the others died there, but they took him out of car, a railroad car, cattle car, in Dresden and gave him a ticket to Prague."What is Sokol? Modeled on the German "Turnbewegung", it was essentially a Slavic-Czech patriots/nationalists old-boys network, primarily concerned with sports and physical excercising, but a certain political and ethnic leaning. Sokol was persecuted by the Nazi occupiers, and much of their leadership destroyed, because Sokol was a Slavic-nationalistic hotbed of resistance. As such, Jews, while not formally exluded, were strongly discouraged to become members. It seems you are unaware that the Nazis didn't only mass-murder Jews in Auschwitz Here is another clip, where Bazant relates his experience, starting school in a village in southern Bohemia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1polGDAGMM Born in late 1937, this would have been in summer 1944 - under Nazi rule. You don't actually believe a Jewish child would have gone to school in the Protectorate? Such silly allegations and misattributions frequently arise in brains decayed by anti-semitism "Our decidedly NON-Jewish but Catholic friend Bazant" is what you ought to have written, if you had any research skills at all. Of course your research skills are utterly lacking - why, if you had any, you wouldn't be a Truther. The obscure rantings of despicable little anti-semites with dismal research skills change in no way the integrity of the ASCE and her most distinguished members. You, Notconvinced, have abjectly failed researching Bazant. Now please tell us: What was originally your source for the claim that Bazant is an Israeli? Or a Jew? And also, you still haven't provided evidence that Chertoff is an Israeli. |
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Where is the evidence that Bazant's work is so obviously false? Why haven't other professionals and academics in the filed pointed out these obvious flaws in the work?
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25th January 2016, 02:28 AM | #172 |
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This is kind of off-topic in a thread about anti-semitism, especially since Bazant isn't even a Jew.
The topic is not anything about Bazant, the real man and his real work in the real world, but the sick fantasies that anti-semites like Notconvinced or Christopher Bollyn (<- hint!) spout about people they perceive as "evil" and "Jews" (which to a large degree are synonymous in their world). |
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25th January 2016, 02:54 AM | #174 |
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Understood.
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According to Veterans Today Bollyn is a Zionist Shill anyway.
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Yes, but every antisemite is a Zionist shill according to some other antisemite. There is a disproportionate number of antisocial personalities among antisemites, so they find it extremely hard to cooperate with each other, and fall out routinely over petty personal differences or jealousy if someone is more 'successful' than they are.
Fatwas against other antisemites can also be declared if the target displays the slightest deviation from an ideological norm: it's not enough to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy but if the Truther happens to be a no planer or isn't a no planer, and they are less than vigorous in endorsing Holocaust denial, Sandy Hook conspiracism or flat-earthism, or they are too keen on Putin or they dislike Putin, then why, it's obvious! They must be a Zionist shill! Many observers and monitors of the nutzi scene consume enormous amounts of popcorn. The SPLC had great fun watching the Daily Stormer end up in spats with half of the rest of the racist blogosphere last year. |
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By the way, a popular Slovak beer brand is Zlaty Bazant. And look what their logo shows:
http://www.zlatybazant.sk/resources/...-1980x1024.jpg Yep, a pheasant, not a rookie |
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06...d-steve-jones/
Apparently he doesn't go for the Nukes so he must be a shill. |
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An Idiot calling the idiots, idiots.
Nukes did 911, is the top of the delusional claims... http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06...d-steve-jones/ Veteran Today, PrisonPlanet, the BS fuel for nuts in 911 truth. |
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Priceless!
On a side note: I like the interjection by Daniel Noel, the AE911Truth chief gatekeeper urrr I mean leader of the Presenters Team:
Originally Posted by Daniel Noal
All those institutions with standing and expertise did in fact not "bark", i.e. they all summarily reject the claims of 9/11 Truth, no matter what their flavor! I have hardly ever seen a representative of any important Truth group come this close to admitting total and utter defeat and their own obscurity! |
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What crap do you pay attention to?
What was YOUR source for the claim that Bazant and Chertoff are "Israelis"? What was YOUR source for the claim that Bazant is a Jew? (I dropped a hint for you) Will you retract your false assertion that Bazant is a Jew, now that you know that his catholic grandfather was arrested and almost deported to Auschwitz for being a leader of the Czech-nationalistic (and tendentially anti-Jewish) Sokol movement? What is your evidence that Chertoff is an Israeli, or will you retract that claim? And of course: What's your evidence for the claim that VT is state sponsored? |
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I was first clued into Chertoff's status by the Bollyn video "Missing Links". The video was heavily slanted against Israel, but it fascinated me that Chertoff held duel citizenship, as did so many members of PNAC. Remember, I have viewed Chertoff's actions at the DOJ as unconstitutional and treasonous, therefore the notion that he held dual citizenship was interesting. It matters not that the second citizenry was Israeli. If Chertoff and the majority of the PNAC were Zulu, I would claim that its interesting that so many involved in the 911 crime were African. I would not make that claim because I was 'racist' or 'anti-african'. Your notion that my interest in Israeli involvement in 911 is misguided/anti-semitic is ill founded and inaccurate. Similar sources got my interest in Bazant, and again... made his fraud a bit more palatable. While trying to understand one's motives, it's easier to imagine that somebody would so ardently defend the murder of 2000+ Americans if their loyalty was actually elsewhere. This is why I've assumed Bazant held/holds dual citizenry. i maintain the claim that the 911 truth movement is NOT anti-Semitic, nor am I, and any attempt to formally allege otherwise is nothing more than well poisoning.
I did mistakenly forget that Jews were not the only people interned in the WWII camps. So for now, I'm agnostic on the matter. Ive tried reaching out to Bazant directly for clarification, so if he responds I'll let you know. I do not yet retract the claim because I know from my own family's history that historically Jews have hidden their faith, so it's possible that the baptism was just that. Furthermore, I haven't vetted your source, so... with respect to whether or not Bazant is Jewish, it simply doesn't matter and I'm sorry for bringing it up in such context. What matters is that he has worked very hard to define and defend what might be arguably the most massive of all lies ever perpetrated against humanity. I'll retract that claim because I have no evidence one way or another, am trusting other's research, and would personally rather research other aspects of the 911 debate, so on this issue... I'm agnostic as well. My father was the director of international affairs for the criminal division before the Bush W. administration destroyed its integrity. Maybe Chertoff was just following orders? I don't know. I do know that the lack of proper public investigation into the WTC1,2,& 7 bombings is remarkable and seems to go against what used to be the nature of the DOJ. It's possible that I'm just caught up in Dad's nostalgia though. A critical examination of the DOJ reveals failings in: JFK's murder RFK's murder MLK's murder Prosecution of Ruby Ridge sniper Posse Comitatus at WACO Whitewater laundering investigation Murrah double bombing investigation CIA drug running for decades ad nauseum So I guess as I think about it... Chertoff's failings aren't that surprising actually. Sorry, but that's confidential. I'd be happy to work with you or anyone else here on a private consulting basis if you're interested. I won't be 'spooked if you contact me directly. Perhaps even TCG could take on the task? |
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Hilarious stuff.
From their own site: "Veterans Today (VT) is an online journal representing the position of members of the military and veteran community in areas of national security, geopolitical stability and domestic policy. VT is the only independent, unaligned voice of its kind in America, accepting no financial support from any organization or individual, existing solely for news, opinion, and educational purposes. Spanning the political spectrum, we support the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. VT is part of the Veterans Today Network, a network of over 60 sites independently operated and owned serving the U.S. Military-Veterans Community. VT writers and editors are veterans or proven veterans’ advocates." http://www.veteranstoday.com/contact/about-us/ The day that it becomes a 'government sponsored disinformation site' is the day Fetzer has a conniption. Basically, it is an independent, 'fringe' site that panders to fruitcakes. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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27th January 2016, 02:21 AM | #198 |
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What does 911 truth know about 911? So far 911 truth has no clue what happened on 911. No evidence, no clue, the best that 911 truth has to offer.
PNAC has nothing to do with 911. Thus there is nothing to miss, but BS, and idiotic claims when it comes to PNAC from 911 truth failed followers. Trying to tie "dancing Israeli's" to 911, is BS from anti-semitic 911 truth nuts. And Gelatin art students have nothing to do with 911. The nuts in 911 truth who are anti-semitic are a perfect fit with the anti-intellectual theme which permeates 911 truth to the core. |
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27th January 2016, 03:41 AM | #199 |
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Remind me - were some of them actually Israeli, or were they just Jewish and therefore assumed by you to be Israeli dual citizens?
Interrogated by the US security services and found not to have any involvement in the attacks. Remind me what connection was ever established between them and the attacks. But also made it clear that as soon as one libel is exposed, you're ready to make up a few more. Funny how they always feature Israel, and you're not interested in looking into the possible involvement of any other nation. Dave |
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27th January 2016, 05:20 AM | #200 |
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Seriously, that is what you say now?
You don't know with certainty that Bazant is a dual citizen? Are you saying you still claim that Bazant is a dual citizen, you just aren't totally sure? You had claimed that Bazant is an Israeli citizen. What was your source of that claim? Did you make it up in your own mind? If so, how is that NOT anti-semitic, given that you think he is a bad bad criminal? Or did you copy that FALSE claim from the lying rants of a rabid anti-semite like Bollyn and believed it uncritically? Then how is that not anti-semitic? |
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