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6th December 2015, 05:47 PM | #41 |
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How is "Zionists" a racist term?
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How is it a theocracy? How is it not a democracy? That sounds like a very exaggerated claim. And saying it "shares some attributes with Iran" strikes me as meaningless. If truthers knew how to tell "real, tangible, unambiguous evidence" from nonsense, then they wouldn't be truthers. And no, you wouldn't need a premise that Israel is "inside the US government" to concoct a crazy theory about Israel being involved in 9/11 somehow. |
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I appreciate your skepticism. It was certainly somewhat rhetoric on my part to implicate all those "friends".
What you "see" of your FB friends depends on a number of things: Your FB settings, number of friends, how often they post, how often you use FB, personal habits. No doubt most postings go by unread or at least unprocessed. Now Rudy Dent posts a LOT. I merely selected one posting for each of the last four days, but he posts several texts, images and videos every day, and pretty much all of it is ani-semitic, racist or otherwise hateful "alternative history". He explains, in the full version of the personal statement I quoted excerpts from, that the purpose of his FB page is essentially to disseminate the "truth" about the evil zionist overlords. So of a "friend" of Rudy's pays any attention at all, ever, to what he writes, they can't possibly miss the bigotry. I suspect however that many of his truther "friends" became "friends" merely on name recognition after he was featured prominently by Gage and Rudkowski, and never checked out what he posts. |
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Anyone who espouses an extreme minority viewpoint needs to check his bedfellows. Only a tiny minority of the public believes in Trutherism. Only a tiny minority of the public is vocally Anti-Semitic or Neo-Nazi or a Holocaust Denier. So when you find a substantial overlap amongst these, people will naturally draw conclusions. Rudy Dent isn't an isolated example. See also Eric Hufschmid, Ken O'Keefe, Christopher Bollyn, Rebekah Roth, Jim Fetzer, Karl Schwarz; the list is long.
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Everyone should check their bedfellows, and every FB user is responsible for their "friends".
When Richard Gage gave Rudy Dent a spot on the podium and in the limelight this last 9/11 anniversary, he could have and should have known that Rudy is a Hitler-loving Jew-hater. When he left a spoken greeting message to start every AE911Truth "Freefall Radio" recording on Kevin Barrett's "No Lies Radio" website, he must have already been aware that Barrett is a holocaust-denying anti-semite. |
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8th December 2015, 06:09 AM | #48 |
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Clearly the truth guys such as Gage are willfully ignorant about antisemitism etc. when it's convenient to be. Associating with antisemites and others haters would seem to be something they WOULDN'T want to be associated with when you want to be taken seriously as a rational critical thinker.
There is that old adage..... loosely: I shall know you by the company you keep. |
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He's just trying to poison the well.
Observers in my world see that both my stepmom and half sister are Jewish, and I love them immensely. It's unfortunate that so many of the 911 conspirators are Israeli. Chertoff and Bazant are two names who clearly betrayed their authority to conceal the mass murder of nearly 3000 people. So did they do this because they are part of the plot, or because they don't want to implicate their brethren... I doubt these two were part of the plot per se, so why would they want to go down in history as traitors? Just looking out for their own? Bought and paid for? Extorted? |
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Even Adolf Eichmann, who organized the transport of hundreds of thousands of Jews to the gas chambers of Auschwitz, never grew tired of pointing out some Jews he knew personally and had great respect for.
That is a classic excuse of the anti-semite. Israelis, huh? I am sure you have evidence that Zdenek Bazant is a citizen of Israel (he was born in Czechoslovakia in 1937, and lived there till 1966 when he moved to France, Canada and finally, in 1969, settled down at Northwestern U.)? I am sure you have evidence that Michael Chertoff is an Israeli citizen? Actually, I am sure you don't have any such evidence. You write "Israelis" because even you sense that saying what you mean - "Jews", betrays too overtly, obviously your anti-semitism, Look at this vile, vague innuendo! Noooo, you are not saying it, you merely hint and insinuate what you truly believe: That Jews commit grave crimes against America and the world because they are Jews. Well thanks for coming out here and proving in the correct thread that you, notconvinced, are an anti-semite, too. |
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Great to see members of the civil society of the USA take a clear stand against anti-semitism - here in the form of Christopher Bollyn and his public hate speeches:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2863...3726318215250/
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Of course one is anti-Italian if one opposes Mafia crime ( /sarcasm ) How about opposition to Nazi crimes is not anti-German? Criticizing a half white, half black president's policies is called racist? Criticizing a black president's policies would be racist? One is labeled anti semitic for criticizing Israeli policies/lobbyists why? Need a thread about this phenomena? |
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This was a reply, I assume, to ChrisMohr's question, that you highlighted:
"Do we all agree that opposition to Israeli foreign policy, even thinking Mossad is doing some nasty dark secret things alongside the CIA, is not antiSemitism in and of itself?"You could have given it a shorter answer: "Yes." |
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14th January 2016, 05:26 PM | #58 |
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"Anti-mafia = anti-Italian" is on a par with "911 trutherism = antisemitic"
Some truther blaming jews is anti-semitic? I dont know. Why should he be? Some anti-semitic truther blaming jews is anti-semitic? Apparently, if he's anti-semitic to begin with. Thats different. Its like someone gets called racist only because they are critical of Obama's job performance. Ridiculous. |
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That's a strawman. No one equates truthers with antisemites.
Careful with the wording: "Blaming jews" is anti-semitic. "Blaming some (specific) jews" may very well be not anti-semitic. Some anti-semitic truther blaming certain jews is much more likely to be anti-semitic than some non-anti-semitic person blaming certain jews. What if you knew that someone is a racist to begin with, and you heard him being critical of Obama's job performance - would you consider it more likely that he is critical because of his racism? I would! More likely - not certain. To give you my perspective: It appears to me (= this is my perception, but I don't have robust data to prove it) that a much higher proportion of Truthers is anti-semitic than of the general population. How do I spot them as anti-semites?
So what is it with truthers and anti-semitism? I logically see the following possibilities
My money would be split between 4. and 2. After all, anti-semitism really is the mother of all CTs. |
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I am not surprised stormfront dolts may be 911 truth believers, or 911 truth believers my be antisemitic - the intelligence level to be a bigot is conducive for falling for the idiotic lies 911 truth pushes.
Blaming Jews for 19 idiots attacking the USA may not be antisemitic, but it is dumber than dirt. It is possible the dolt is antisemitic. LOL, the Obama analogy is funny, because many are racists when they make up BS, which may be mistaken for being critical about Obama - if we have missed the lies and BS about Obama, then we may be mistaking lies and bigotry for criticism. Poor analogy; blaming Jews for 911 usually is an idiot who has no clue they are antisemitic. (I guess the people pushing lies about Obama may not be racist, but then they are dumber than dirt) Guess the dolts in 911 truth could be delusional, thinking 19 terrorists were Jews, which is par for 911 truth nuts and dolts. |
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Many Stormfront supporters on one site I frequent are truthers. The 'dancing Israelis' canard comes up with alarming regularity, and 'da Jooz' are behind 9/11, and just about every other event that happens in the world today.
Personally, in my experience 9/11 truth and anti-Semitism are concomitant. I am labelled a 'Zioshill'; a 'Sayanim'; a 'Jewbot' and every other anti-Semitic term you can think of just because I understand the irrational nature of truther claims. They are the vilest individuals one could interact with online. |
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Is certainly real among some people and groups, however, the usage of labeling someone or a group anti-Semitic has become an umbrella term to include criticism or dissent and is not strictly limited to prejudice against Jews because they're Jewish. The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt is an example of criticism being called anti-Semitism.
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No, the term is not. But its use in the context that HotRodDeluxe described is. The speaker clearly implied that
- Mossad is behind 9/11 - HotRodDeluxe is a Mossad supporter Both implied claims have no evidence for them whatsoever and reflect on the prejudices of the speaker alone, not reality as determined by rational skepticism. These prejudices are anti-semitic. If it turned out that a highly vocal and visible proportion of Truthers were part of groups of rapists, murderers[*] or human traffickers, we'd point that out, too as potentially significant. This is not a contest of what is the most vile sin, this is a matter of observing reality [*] Of course it has been pointed out that several murders and murder-suicides have been committed by well-known truthers over the years. I do not believe this is significant. I once researched relevant statistics and found no robust evidence that incidence of murder is higher among the TM than among the general US population. |
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Mars = Mossad. Venus = Arabs Earth = USA Yes seriously. They claimed Mossad orchestrated 911 so that USA would attack Mossad's enemies. I'm not saying it made sense. According to its proponents in 911 truther world, it was a garden variety false flag attack scenario. Lack of evidence didnt matter to them. BTW I was inspired by this in your post 61
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Knowing what we know about human memory (both yours and mine), I'm forced to conclude that you have no evidence to make your claim above.
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Many of the Paleo-truthers (talking 2001-2002) like Eric Hufschmidt,
Chris Bollyn (of AMERICAN FREE PRES, successor to notorious rag SPOTLIGHT) et al came out of the Anti Semitic conspiracy movement . They blamed the JOOS for anything and everything claimed was wrong with the country It was these clowns who "advised" Dillion Avery and his gang of stoners - providing many of the tropes that truthers repeat endlessly Later on Avery and most of the 911 truthers switched from blatant Antisemitism to "ANTI ZIONISM" as their theme Anti Zionist allowed to blame the Jews, Israel and Mossad without the taint of Antisemitism |
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Do I seriously have to present evidence to support the claim "I once researched relevant statistics and found no robust evidence..."??
But if you must: Here is what I was refering to: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...72#post8972772 |
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I know all this, and the individuals in question use it as an ad hom. You see, if you think for just a moment, a Jew-helper is just as bad as a Jew to these anti-Semites. It's not too difficult to understand if you bother to note the context.
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Your post I responded to initially:
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Note the following:
"Many Stormfront supporters on one site I frequent are truthers. " Now, the key words you seemed to have completely ignored are "Many"...and "on a site I frequent". These are the individuals in question, not Stormfront overall, as you seem to imagine (I don't know where you pulled that from).
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