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Old 17th July 2020, 09:36 AM   #681
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
If one fears that they are in an environment wherein certain political viewpoints are goodthink, and others badthink, they might choose to give the answer that indicates they are in the goodthink cohort.
Yep, and they do the same at the ballot box.

The vast majority of voters will always vote for 'their' party, no matter what opinion they might have expressed about it beforehand - simply out fear. The vote itself might be secret, but if they vote for the 'other' party they have to lie about it to their peers. This is particularly disturbing if the 'other' party wins. Not only are you a liar, but also a traitor! And they can probably tell that you are lying...

Pollsters OTOH, who cares? It's much easier to unload your real feelings onto an anonymous stranger who doesn't care what you think and won't be tittle-tattling about it.

That's the problem with polls. The question they should be asking is - "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party democrat?"
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Old 17th July 2020, 11:07 AM   #682
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
As I said: you're using the term very broadly. Polling isn't supposed to record that information. If they do, or if you suspect that they do, then don't answer them. Better yet, don't have a phone or the internet.
Or give the response that seems the least likely to cause trouble for one.
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Old 17th July 2020, 11:09 AM   #683
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Yep, and they do the same at the ballot box.

The vast majority of voters will always vote for 'their' party, no matter what opinion they might have expressed about it beforehand - simply out fear. The vote itself might be secret, but if they vote for the 'other' party they have to lie about it to their peers. This is particularly disturbing if the 'other' party wins. Not only are you a liar, but also a traitor! And they can probably tell that you are lying...

Pollsters OTOH, who cares? It's much easier to unload your real feelings onto an anonymous stranger who doesn't care what you think and won't be tittle-tattling about it.

That's the problem with polls. The question they should be asking is - "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party democrat?"
That's why polls in North Korea show such a high approval rating for Kim?

Hyperbole aside, though. you are probably correct. It is always best to act as if the person on the other end of the phone is exactly who they say they are.
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Old 17th July 2020, 11:28 AM   #684
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
That's why polls in North Korea show such a high approval rating for Kim?

Hyperbole aside, though. you are probably correct. It is always best to act as if the person on the other end of the phone is exactly who they say they are.
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Old 17th July 2020, 11:41 AM   #685
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I've been convinced. Pollsters are really members of the Deep State out to discover who people plan on voting for so they can report them to their employers or otherwise harm them in some way.

Seriously, is paranoia a requirement to be a Republican these days? It used to be only a suggestion.
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Old 17th July 2020, 12:16 PM   #686
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I've been convinced. Pollsters are really members of the Deep State out to discover who people plan on voting for so they can report them to their employers or otherwise harm them in some way.

Seriously, is paranoia a requirement to be a Republican these days? It used to be only a suggestion.
Does that indicate that suspecting that the stranger on the other end of the telephone, who is asking for personal information, may be someone other than they are claiming, is paranoia?
In spite of numerous examples of that exact thing?
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Old 17th July 2020, 12:27 PM   #687
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Does that indicate that suspecting that the stranger on the other end of the telephone, who is asking for personal information, may be someone other than they are claiming, is paranoia?
In spite of numerous examples of that exact thing?
Pollsters don't ask for personal information. Scammers looking for credit card/bank account/social security numbers do.
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Old 17th July 2020, 12:28 PM   #688
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Pollsters don't ask for personal information. Scammers looking for credit card/bank account/social security numbers do.
Who one plans to vote for is personal.

Also, you have sidestepped the question. A person on the other end of the telephone claiming to be a pollster is always a pollster, right?
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Old 17th July 2020, 12:36 PM   #689
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Who one plans to vote for is personal.
Sure if words don't mean anything.

Which at this point they don't. They are right up there with facts.

By your "logic" anyone ever asking you anything in any context is them trying to get personal information out of you.
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Who one plans to vote for is personal.

Also, you have sidestepped the question. A person on the other end of the telephone claiming to be a pollster is always a pollster, right?
Stop playing word games. We're talking about identifying information: name, address, etc.

'Always' is a very limiting word. Very little in life is always "always". Are the vast majority of pollsters really pollsters? I think so. A scammer wants financial info, not who you're going to vote for. They'll pose as the IRS, a Nigerian prince, a collection agency, etc. Not a political pollster.

Remember that this convo started out by a claim that Trump voters lied about who they would vote for out of embarrassment, not fear of harm or being scammed.
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Why is 538 just now adding polls from 2018?
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Why is 538 just now adding adding polls from 2018?
//Wild guess//

For comparison, but they aren't formatting it in a way that makes that clear?

Although there's not really much comparison to be made with 2018, 2016 would make more sense for that.

Maybe it's just a simple formatting or uploading error?
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Old 17th July 2020, 01:27 PM   #693
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
//Wild guess//

For comparison, but they aren't formatting it in a way that makes that clear?

Although there's not really much comparison to be made with 2018, 2016 would make more sense for that.

Maybe it's just a simple formatting or uploading error?
It might be data they found that just gets fed into the predictive models.
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Old 6th November 2020, 08:02 AM   #695
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Have we passed peak Trump yet?
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Old 8th November 2020, 03:12 AM   #697
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Have we passed peak Trump yet?
Give it another decade or two.

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Old 8th November 2020, 03:25 AM   #698
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Depending on what Trump will do while being "lame duck" (there is nothing lame in degenerate nutter that has nothing to lose), peak Trump may happen in this time.
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I'm still expecting a Henry II moment: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

But less eloquent.

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Old 8th November 2020, 04:24 AM   #700
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Have we passed peak Trump yet?
Give us another 42 days and hopefully we can say yes.
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Old 8th November 2020, 07:43 AM   #701
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I'm still expecting a Henry II moment: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

But less eloquent.
That's already happened.

https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-shot

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Old 12th November 2020, 12:56 AM   #702
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Are we past Peak Trump now?
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Well we might have passed Peak Coronavirus but that's about it
As it turns out, this was false in all respects.

Missing punctuation notwithstanding, it is a sentence. That's commendable.
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That's already happened.

https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-shot

Trump Draws Outrage After Joking About What Will Happen After 'Joe Is Shot' 3 Weeks Into Office
And the Trump apologists say that when Trump said Biden is shot and Kamala takes over what he meant was Biden becomes tired, so tired that is is shot and Kamala has to do his job.

The childishness endures.
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I think recent events have signaled that the peak has passed.

There will be some unfortunate aftereffects, I'm afraid.
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I understand skepticism about passing peak Trump, but I really think the insurrection has done serious and prememnet damange to Trump except for the hard core of his supporters. A lot of the "MIckey Mouse republicans" (those who will support anybody running for POTUS or in the white house with a R after his name) will back off; I supect his post presidency influence has been badly damaged.
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Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.
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Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.
Disagree. Peak has passed. It's on a downhill slope from here. Wednesday was too much even for some who still supported him on Tuesday.
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I think recent events have signaled that the peak has passed.

There will be some unfortunate aftereffects, I'm afraid.
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I understand skepticism about passing peak Trump, but I really think the insurrection has done serious and prememnet damange to Trump except for the hard core of his supporters. A lot of the "MIckey Mouse republicans" (those who will support anybody running for POTUS or in the white house with a R after his name) will back off; I supect his post presidency influence has been badly damaged.
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Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.
Sorry Mader Levap, I think we hit the peak Wednesday morning. Of course, we've still got 12 days to go.
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Sorry Mader Levap, I think we hit the peak Wednesday morning. Of course, we've still got 12 days to go.
Nope, the peak was passed a long time ago, Trump was in decline long before Nov 3rd. What we saw in the Capital Invasion was the thrashing of the body as it realises that its time is quickly coming to a close and it fights to survive.

Sadly this also makes it far more dangerous as his supporters get more and more desperate and start being willing to take any actions, regardless of the cost to themselves or the country, as long as there seems to be a way for them to still win. Cornered and desperate people who already believe themselves to have nothing left to lose if are willing to do anything to just survive, or at least to do as much damage to their enemy as they can on the way out.

And that makes this period of time extremely dangerous, and extremely scary.
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I guess we should have defined the term at the beginning of the thread.


Has the pivot come yet? I’m still waiting for that.
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looks like ChristianProgressive wins the thread with post #453.
Trumps approval peaked around Around Valentines day 2020, CP's post was the most proximate to that claiming that the peak had passed.
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I predicted sooner.
As did I.
I thought he had reached it when he took Putins' side against our own intelligence apparatus.
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See what has happened to Trump's DC hotel after his loss. (From CNN)

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See what has happened to Trump's DC hotel after his loss. (From CNN)

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Not quite as popular as it once was.
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He's an amazing hotel mogul, no doubt about it.

There continue to be questions about how he got that contract. Some of the nation's leading hotel companies put in bids that lost. Many suspect that Trump inflated his revenue projections and promises, but nobody knows whether he's met his obligations. It's not anybody's highest priority, but now that the GSA doesn't answer to Trump I hope we'll see some light.

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Texas Wax Museum Removes Trump Figure Because People Keep Punching It

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In Texas they're punching it? They should keep MTG away from it as she'd try to hump it.
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Texas Wax Museum Removes Trump Figure Because People Keep Punching It

https://rare.us/rare-news/texas-wax-...p-punching-it/
Alas, geofenced. Any chance of an extract?
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