Passing Peak Trump? - Page 17

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

And who one plans to vote for is definitely not personal information.
Got it.

As usual you do not, actually, have it.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

As usual you do not, actually, have it.

Okay.
Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not?

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Okay.
Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not?

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?

Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?

A phone number can be linked to a name, quite easily.
If it is an old land line, it can be linked to an address as well- also quite easily.
It is also possible to link them in revers order- a name can be linked to a phone number, an address to a name, etc...

WRT the questions. Are ones' political intentions personal?, or not?

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

A phone number can be linked to a name, quite easily.

You dodged my question there.

Quote:

WRT the questions. Are ones' political intentions personal?, or not?

Any opinion or intention can be declared "personal" if you're using a broad enough definition.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

You dodged my question there.

Any opinion or intention can be declared "personal" if you're using a broad enough definition.

Your question was, can a phone number be linked to a name.
The answer is- yes. easily.
where is the dodge?

Is political intent personal?, or not?

shuttlt · 15th July 2020, 06:33 AM

Personal information and personally identifying information aren't the same thing. Is the assumption that the issue is concern over the data governance of the polling organization? I had assumed it was more about people giving answers to pollsters that they thought would be socially acceptable to the pollsters, plus a bit of distrust in the news media ecosystem that pollsters are a part of... so why take part in the poll?

Mader Levap · 15th July 2020, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

so why take part in the poll?

Because Distracted1 for some reason* really, really needs a lot of people lying to pollsters instead of just hanging up.

* I can think about only one reason - to explain away polls unfavorable to his Fuhrer. Silent majority and all of that drivel.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Because Distracted1 for some reason* really, really needs a lot of people lying to pollsters instead of just hanging up.

* I can think about only one reason - to explain away polls unfavorable to his Fuhrer. Silent majority and all of that drivel.

Your psychic powers continue to disappoint.
Keep trying though, Miss Cleo.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Your question was, can a phone number be linked to a name.

Re-read the post.

JoeMorgue · 15th July 2020, 06:47 AM

My point was that trolling the polls, not lying exactly, is something I can imagine... enough Trump supporters (no I can't put some "This account for exactly X percent of the motivation of Y percent of Trump supporters as outlined in this chart here..." number on it.) doing so it might make a difference.

One of the biggest problems is dealing with Trump has always been how many of supporters are supporting him in some.... err sideways fashion I guess you could call it. There's like no single term for it but if you account for people doing it ironically, doing it for effect, doing to troll the libs, doing to prove some nihilistic point about nothing mattering, people doing to to make "The government doesn't work" a self fulfilling prophecy, doing it as a joke, people who think Trump is a joke but they are in on the joke, people who think Trump is a joke but they are above the joke, and all that related frippery you've got a fairly substantial number. Probably nearly as big or bigger than whatever we could call Trump's "honest" support base.

With mainstream candidates the distinction their supporters and their voters is usually pretty much non existent. With Trump.. I'm not sure. I think, and everyone has to respect that the language will have to be a little sloppy here, people are going to vote for Trump who don't support him (in the traditional political sense) in meaningful numbers is more likely with Trump then it is for most any other politician.

For instance any poll worded in such a way as to ask "Is Trump making X better" is immediately suspect in my mind since "We didn't elect him to make things better" is such an open secret among his base. He's a troll. Making things better isn't his job.

Again nothing would make that part of Trump's base happier than Trump winning after the Liberals had again talked themselves into him having no chance. That's probably their favorite possible narrative so I'm... just wary of it. That's all.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?

Can what be linked to a name?
The expressed opinion of someone asked an opinion over the telephone?

If that is what your question means. The answer is still yes.
If that is not what it means, please clarify, and i will too.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Can what be linked to a name?

Amazing. You've already lost track of the discussion. When I ask you to re-read the post, you might want to read what it was responding to as well.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Amazing. You've already lost track of the discussion. When I ask you to re-read the post, you might want to read what it was responding to as well.

Just dense I guess.

We are discussing answering the questions of someone claiming to be a political pollster over the telephone, and why someone might lie to that person about something as personal as who they are planning to vote for.

Your question was "can they be linked to a name?"
well, since the responses are given over the telephone, they certainly can.

If you meant something else, please clarify.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Just dense I guess.

We are discussing answering the questions of someone claiming to be a political pollster over the telephone, and why someone might lie to that person about something as personal as who they are planning to vote for.

Your question was "can they be linked to a name?"

My other question was "Is that name recorded?", but I guess you're going to go back to not understanding what "they" refers to now.

bonzombiekitty · 15th July 2020, 07:14 AM

I'm still very unclear as to the point trying to be made.

Is the argument being made that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling?

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

My other question was "Is that name recorded?", but I guess you're going to go back to not understanding what "they" refers to now.

Is that name recorded?
Recorded by whom? The person asking the questions over the phone, I guess?
Certainly, the name can be written down, stored in a database, etc.. cross referenced with the answers to the questions asked.
That truly seems self-evident, which is why I am having a hard time groking your question.

The Don · 15th July 2020, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty

I'm still very unclear as to the point trying to be made.

Is the argument being made that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling?

That's the way that I interpret it, that Trump supporters won't hang up, but will lie whereas Democrats wouldn't lie or hang up.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Is that name recorded?
Recorded by whom?

Ok now you're clearly playing games.

Have fun with that.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Ok now you're clearly playing games.

Have fun with that.

I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

If it is not: Can the expressed political opinions of someone answering questions over the telephone be linked to a name, and that name be recorded?.
I do not know what it is.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

If it is not: Can the expressed political opinions of someone answering questions over the telephone be linked to a name, and that name be recorded?.
I do not know what it is.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.

And I've clarified it in good faith numerous times.

I don't believe you.

bonzombiekitty · 15th July 2020, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

That's the way that I interpret it, that Trump supporters won't hang up, but will lie whereas Democrats wouldn't lie or hang up.

...and there's enough of them to make a real impact on the results.

If that's the position, I find it highly questionable.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

And I've clarified it in good faith numerous times.

I don't believe you.

What post clarified it?
I will read it again.
and ignore that it was initially answering a question with a question.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

What post clarified it?
I will read it again.

No you won't. I've already tried that. I won't fall for it again.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

No you won't. I've already tried that. I won't fall for it again.

Then I must consider those questions answered.

Perhaps now you will answer these: (asked before yours, BTW)

Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not?

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:46 AM

You don't even know what the question was but you consider it answered? Sure. That makes sense.

Originally Posted by Distracted1

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?

Them who?

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

You don't even know what the question was but you consider it answered? Sure. That makes sense.

Them who?

Indeed. the answers are "yes" and "yes". We can proceed from there if you like.

The intentions to vote for one candidate or another. (clearly stated in the previous sentence)

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

The intentions to vote for one candidate or another. (clearly stated in the previous sentence)

Sorry, what about these intentions?

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Sorry, what about these intentions?

Ahh, the entire thing was a dodge to avoid answering.
Explains why you would not clarify.
Okay.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Ahh, the entire thing was a dodge to avoid answering.
Explains why you would not clarify.
Okay.

I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.

That's okay. Answer the question you think is being asked then.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

That's okay. Answer the question you think is being asked then.

Ok: Spinach. It's definitely spinach.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?

The voting intentions can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)
The respondents can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)

what else! are you referring to!?!?

The pollster!?? Can the pollster be linked to a name, and recorded- I really don't think you mean that yet there is nothing else there that is evident.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

The voting intentions can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)
The respondents can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)

what else! are you referring to!?!?

Vegetables, at this point.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Vegetables, at this point.

Just dodging, then.
Going a long way to not have to own up to your false statement that "pollsters do not ask for personal information"
Kudos, for going so far to avoid admitting you were wrong.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Just dodging, then.

I'm using performance art to explain my feelings of frustration by subjecting you to same.

But you knew that already.

Since I've already told you that I don't believe you, you can stop pretending to really wanting to discuss this with me.

Quote:

Going a long way to not have to own up to your false statement that "pollsters do not ask for personal information"

They don't.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm using performance art to explain my feelings of frustration by subjecting you to same.

But you knew that already.

Since I've already told you that I don't believe you, you can stop pretending to really wanting to discuss this with me.

They don't.

Because who one intends to vote for is not personal?

or Because pollsters don't ask that?

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Because who one intends to vote for is not personal?

I've already answred that: using that logic, any opinion is personal information, but that's playing with words.

Distracted1 · 15th July 2020, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I've already answred that: using that logic, any opinion is personal information, but that's playing with words.

Not automatically.
Voting is typically done by secret ballot, because it is considered more personal than other information.

We call our orders for big macs' right into the little speaker in the drive-thru, because our order at a fast food restaurant is not personal.

In general conversation, our sexual preferences, income, and voting habits are considered rude to be asked about unless specific permission is given in advance.

What movie we saw last night, or what we had for breakfast, not so much.

Belz... · 15th July 2020, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Not automatically.
Voting is typically done by secret ballot, because it is considered more personal than other information.

We call our orders for big macs' right into the little speaker in the drive-thru, because our order at a fast food restaurant is not personal.

In general conversation, our sexual preferences, income, and voting habits are considered rude to be asked about unless specific permission is given in advance.

What movie we saw last night, or what we had for breakfast, not so much.

As I said: you're using the term very broadly. Polling isn't supposed to record that information. If they do, or if you suspect that they do, then don't answer them. Better yet, don't have a phone or the internet.

15th July 2020, 06:10 AM	#641
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 And who one plans to vote for is definitely not personal information. Got it. As usual you do not, actually, have it.
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15th July 2020, 06:21 AM	#642
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... As usual you do not, actually, have it. Okay. Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not? If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?
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15th July 2020, 06:22 AM	#643
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Okay. Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not? If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not? Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?
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15th July 2020, 06:26 AM	#644
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded? A phone number can be linked to a name, quite easily. If it is an old land line, it can be linked to an address as well- also quite easily. It is also possible to link them in revers order- a name can be linked to a phone number, an address to a name, etc... WRT the questions. Are ones' political intentions personal?, or not?
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15th July 2020, 06:27 AM	#645
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 A phone number can be linked to a name, quite easily. You dodged my question there. Quote: WRT the questions. Are ones' political intentions personal?, or not? Any opinion or intention can be declared "personal" if you're using a broad enough definition.
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15th July 2020, 06:29 AM	#646
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... You dodged my question there. Any opinion or intention can be declared "personal" if you're using a broad enough definition. Your question was, can a phone number be linked to a name. The answer is- yes. easily. where is the dodge? Is political intent personal?, or not?
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15th July 2020, 06:33 AM	#647
shuttlt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,314	Personal information and personally identifying information aren't the same thing. Is the assumption that the issue is concern over the data governance of the polling organization? I had assumed it was more about people giving answers to pollsters that they thought would be socially acceptable to the pollsters, plus a bit of distrust in the news media ecosystem that pollsters are a part of... so why take part in the poll?
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15th July 2020, 06:38 AM	#648
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by shuttlt so why take part in the poll? Because Distracted1 for some reason* really, really needs a lot of people lying to pollsters instead of just hanging up. * I can think about only one reason - to explain away polls unfavorable to his Fuhrer. Silent majority and all of that drivel.
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15th July 2020, 06:43 AM	#649
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Because Distracted1 for some reason* really, really needs a lot of people lying to pollsters instead of just hanging up. * I can think about only one reason - to explain away polls unfavorable to his Fuhrer. Silent majority and all of that drivel. Your psychic powers continue to disappoint. Keep trying though, Miss Cleo.
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15th July 2020, 06:45 AM	#650
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Your question was, can a phone number be linked to a name. Re-read the post.
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15th July 2020, 06:47 AM	#651
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,569	My point was that trolling the polls, not lying exactly, is something I can imagine... enough Trump supporters (no I can't put some "This account for exactly X percent of the motivation of Y percent of Trump supporters as outlined in this chart here..." number on it.) doing so it might make a difference. One of the biggest problems is dealing with Trump has always been how many of supporters are supporting him in some.... err sideways fashion I guess you could call it. There's like no single term for it but if you account for people doing it ironically, doing it for effect, doing to troll the libs, doing to prove some nihilistic point about nothing mattering, people doing to to make "The government doesn't work" a self fulfilling prophecy, doing it as a joke, people who think Trump is a joke but they are in on the joke, people who think Trump is a joke but they are above the joke, and all that related frippery you've got a fairly substantial number. Probably nearly as big or bigger than whatever we could call Trump's "honest" support base. With mainstream candidates the distinction their supporters and their voters is usually pretty much non existent. With Trump.. I'm not sure. I think, and everyone has to respect that the language will have to be a little sloppy here, people are going to vote for Trump who don't support him (in the traditional political sense) in meaningful numbers is more likely with Trump then it is for most any other politician. For instance any poll worded in such a way as to ask "Is Trump making X better" is immediately suspect in my mind since "We didn't elect him to make things better" is such an open secret among his base. He's a troll. Making things better isn't his job. Again nothing would make that part of Trump's base happier than Trump winning after the Liberals had again talked themselves into him having no chance. That's probably their favorite possible narrative so I'm... just wary of it. That's all.
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15th July 2020, 06:56 AM	#652
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded? Can what be linked to a name? The expressed opinion of someone asked an opinion over the telephone? If that is what your question means. The answer is still yes. If that is not what it means, please clarify, and i will too.
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15th July 2020, 07:03 AM	#653
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Can what be linked to a name? Amazing. You've already lost track of the discussion. When I ask you to re-read the post, you might want to read what it was responding to as well.
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15th July 2020, 07:08 AM	#654
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Amazing. You've already lost track of the discussion. When I ask you to re-read the post, you might want to read what it was responding to as well. Just dense I guess. We are discussing answering the questions of someone claiming to be a political pollster over the telephone, and why someone might lie to that person about something as personal as who they are planning to vote for. Your question was "can they be linked to a name?" well, since the responses are given over the telephone, they certainly can. If you meant something else, please clarify.
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15th July 2020, 07:10 AM	#655
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Just dense I guess. We are discussing answering the questions of someone claiming to be a political pollster over the telephone, and why someone might lie to that person about something as personal as who they are planning to vote for. Your question was "can they be linked to a name?" My other question was "Is that name recorded?", but I guess you're going to go back to not understanding what "they" refers to now.
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15th July 2020, 07:14 AM	#656
bonzombiekitty Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,727	I'm still very unclear as to the point trying to be made. Is the argument being made that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling?

15th July 2020, 07:15 AM	#657
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... My other question was "Is that name recorded?", but I guess you're going to go back to not understanding what "they" refers to now. Is that name recorded? Recorded by whom? The person asking the questions over the phone, I guess? Certainly, the name can be written down, stored in a database, etc.. cross referenced with the answers to the questions asked. That truly seems self-evident, which is why I am having a hard time groking your question.
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15th July 2020, 07:16 AM	#658
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,629	Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty I'm still very unclear as to the point trying to be made. Is the argument being made that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling? That's the way that I interpret it, that Trump supporters won't hang up, but will lie whereas Democrats wouldn't lie or hang up.

15th July 2020, 07:17 AM	#659
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Is that name recorded? Recorded by whom? Ok now you're clearly playing games. Have fun with that.
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15th July 2020, 07:25 AM	#660
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Ok now you're clearly playing games. Have fun with that. I truly do not understand what you are asking me. If it is not: Can the expressed political opinions of someone answering questions over the telephone be linked to a name, and that name be recorded?. I do not know what it is. I have asked for clarification in good faith.
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15th July 2020, 07:30 AM	#661
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 I truly do not understand what you are asking me. If it is not: Can the expressed political opinions of someone answering questions over the telephone be linked to a name, and that name be recorded?. I do not know what it is. I have asked for clarification in good faith. And I've clarified it in good faith numerous times. I don't believe you.
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15th July 2020, 07:31 AM	#662
bonzombiekitty Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,727	Originally Posted by The Don That's the way that I interpret it, that Trump supporters won't hang up, but will lie whereas Democrats wouldn't lie or hang up. ...and there's enough of them to make a real impact on the results. If that's the position, I find it highly questionable.

15th July 2020, 07:35 AM	#663
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... And I've clarified it in good faith numerous times. I don't believe you. What post clarified it? I will read it again. and ignore that it was initially answering a question with a question.
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15th July 2020, 07:38 AM	#664
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 What post clarified it? I will read it again. No you won't. I've already tried that. I won't fall for it again.
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15th July 2020, 07:43 AM	#665
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... No you won't. I've already tried that. I won't fall for it again. Then I must consider those questions answered. Perhaps now you will answer these: (asked before yours, BTW) Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not? If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?
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15th July 2020, 07:46 AM	#666
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	You don't even know what the question was but you consider it answered? Sure. That makes sense. Originally Posted by Distracted1 If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not? Them who?
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15th July 2020, 07:56 AM	#667
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... You don't even know what the question was but you consider it answered? Sure. That makes sense. Them who? Indeed. the answers are "yes" and "yes". We can proceed from there if you like. The intentions to vote for one candidate or another. (clearly stated in the previous sentence)
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15th July 2020, 07:57 AM	#668
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 The intentions to vote for one candidate or another. (clearly stated in the previous sentence) Sorry, what about these intentions?
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15th July 2020, 07:59 AM	#669
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Sorry, what about these intentions? Ahh, the entire thing was a dodge to avoid answering. Explains why you would not clarify. Okay.
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15th July 2020, 08:00 AM	#670
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Ahh, the entire thing was a dodge to avoid answering. Explains why you would not clarify. Okay. I truly do not understand what you are asking me. I have asked for clarification in good faith.
	__________________ Master of the Shining Darkness "My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward

15th July 2020, 08:03 AM	#671
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... I truly do not understand what you are asking me. I have asked for clarification in good faith. That's okay. Answer the question you think is being asked then.
	__________________ The man with one watch knows what time it is, the man with two watches is never sure.

15th July 2020, 08:03 AM	#672
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 That's okay. Answer the question you think is being asked then. Ok: Spinach. It's definitely spinach.
	__________________ Master of the Shining Darkness "My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward

15th July 2020, 08:14 AM	#673
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded? The voting intentions can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered) The respondents can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered) what else! are you referring to!?!? The pollster!?? Can the pollster be linked to a name, and recorded- I really don't think you mean that yet there is nothing else there that is evident.
	__________________ The man with one watch knows what time it is, the man with two watches is never sure.

15th July 2020, 08:15 AM	#674
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,227	Originally Posted by Distracted1 The voting intentions can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered) The respondents can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered) what else! are you referring to!?!? Vegetables, at this point.
	__________________ Master of the Shining Darkness "My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward

15th July 2020, 08:20 AM	#675
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Belz... Vegetables, at this point. Just dodging, then. Going a long way to not have to own up to your false statement that "pollsters do not ask for personal information" Kudos, for going so far to avoid admitting you were wrong.
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