Maybe Trump will not be such a terrible president. - Page 25

Delphic Oracle · 19th November 2016, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by luchog

That's not what's being done.

I've done that. I know others who have. Others in this thread have articulated that perspective. Who ate you to make such a sweeping declaration of literally everyone?

Quote:

It can, but very rarely ever does. This election is quite a clear example of bigotry and ignorance badly overriding the voters' clearly atrophied sense of self-preservation.

For some, yes. I agree wholeheartedly. In other cases, voters saw a choice between someone who articulated their point of view against someone who promised to expand even further the very policies that caused their suffering and then taunted them with dismissive, pejorative labels.

I don't agree with that assessment, but I can see how someone might be blinded by desperation into that perspective.

Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?

Samson · 19th November 2016, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

I've done that. I know others who have. Others in this thread have articulated that perspective. Who ate you to make such a sweeping declaration of literally everyone?

For some, yes. I agree wholeheartedly. In other cases, voters saw a choice between someone who articulated their point of view against someone who promised to expand even further the very policies that caused their suffering and then taunted them with dismissive, pejorative labels.

I don't agree with that assessment, but I can see how someone might be blinded by desperation into that perspective.

Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?

Since the popular vote fluctuates within polling margin of error most elections, and in fact Clinton won the popular vote, it may be simply new people voted this time, while others abstained from voting. This election was a dead heat, meaning little to a statistician. Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. It is, in fact, pure chaos theory, a small change in input leading to huge change in output. There is thus an obvious structural flaw in systems that can allow this. Incremental improvements are ruled out.

theprestige · 19th November 2016, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Hiring them to write his policies.

No, but cite his cause. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

fuelair · 19th November 2016, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by phiwum

Think so? I afraid that they will be a cakewalk. I think the Republican congress will defer to Trump to an embarrassing extent.

I hope I'm completely wrong and that I've underestimated the Republicans. Honestly, until this year, there was nothing wrong with being a Republican. I disagreed with them on many issues, but they're decent folk, by and large.

Trump, however, is not decent or competent folk.

Sorry , but Republicans/Republican party was dead by the early 80's and replaced by republickers - thugs and slime beholden to right wing fundy churchthugs. There are no real Republicans now.

thaiboxerken · 20th November 2016, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?

They were the same bigots that voted Republican last time. It was the democrats that didn't turn out to vote.

Delphic Oracle · 20th November 2016, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Samson

Since the popular vote fluctuates within polling margin of error most elections, and in fact Clinton won the popular vote, it may be simply new people voted this time, while others abstained from voting. This election was a dead heat, meaning little to a statistician. Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. It is, in fact, pure chaos theory, a small change in input leading to huge change in output. There is thus an obvious structural flaw in systems that can allow this. Incremental improvements are ruled out.

I linked some "union households" data from Penn/Ohio/Mich back a ways that showed a significant drop-off from previous years. This despite assurances from labor officials that all was well just weeks before election day. There are similar 'deltas' in the white/no degree/low-income demographics of various rust belt states. I wasn't particularly even meaning literal individual voters, given the 'broad brush' rhetoric I was responding to.

Though I do agree with the razor-thin margin. The combined number of votes that would have flipped this election is just a bit over 100,000. One county in Ohio, one county in Wisconsin, and 3 counties in Pennsylvania that skewed away from their historical baseline (others did as well, but these are the ones that alone could have made the difference).

Regnad Kcin · 20th November 2016, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

...A good non-cabinet post for him would be Press Secretary.

I would enthusiastically start watching daily briefings. I would schedule my life around them, in fact.

No, Press Secretary will be John Barron.

Fast Eddie B · 20th November 2016, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Samson

Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic.

Or, will bring about refreshing change.

Not saying I think it will, but assuming "cataclysmic" is at the very least premature.

Fast Eddie B · 20th November 2016, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Sorry , but Republicans/Republican party was dead by the early 80's and replaced by republickers...

...still far better than libtards!

Again, can you not see how immature name calling is? On a skeptic's site I would hope for a higher level of discourse.

Arcade22 · 20th November 2016, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Samson

A headline in New Zealand probably not noticed in your going to be great again country.

Trump apocalypse - 13,000 Americans register interest in moving to NZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11750088

Why, of all places on earth, would you move to New Zealand? Seriously, besides the fact that people speak English, the country is very developed and rich it's really like moving to the moon.

It's in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing interesting going on there at all. Might as well move to Europe where at least something interesting happens (beyond natural disasters such as earth-quakes).

Mader Levap · 20th November 2016, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Damn, man. I was with you right up to the Godwin. :\

Considering who Trump proposed for his cabinet, I consider my ending sentence good use of Godwin. It is pretty much hyperbolic way to say:

No, we will not "wait and see until it is too late".

Belz... · 20th November 2016, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Considering who Trump proposed for his cabinet, I consider my ending sentence good use of Godwin. It is pretty much hyperbolic way to say:

No, we will not "wait and see until it is too late".

I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.

luchog · 20th November 2016, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades.

You keep saying that, yet there's no clear evidence of that. 45% of eligible voters did not vote. We know that certain conservative demographics voted in record numbers. We also know that voter suppression was at an all-time high. It's just as likely, if not moreso, that a lot of those voters simply didn't vote, or voted third party, or were prevented from voting by an establishment that has been working very hard for 8 years to disenfranchise them.

luchog · 20th November 2016, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.

However, a number of Trump staffers have spoken favourably of the WW2 interment camps in the context of "protecting" the US from Muslims.

Samson · 20th November 2016, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

Or, will bring about refreshing change.

Not saying I think it will, but assuming "cataclysmic" is at the very least premature.

In fact from here I was very glad to see Trump win. My view is that an American Russian alliance to keep China under control is the way forward. We have much to fear in New Zealand from a trade alliance guaranteeing unfettered access to New Zealand farms, houses and residential development land. They are already stripping the seashore of shell fish. The birds of the air will disappear next. Their purchasing power in a country our size is of course quite disproportionate.

Fast Eddie B · 20th November 2016, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by luchog

However, a number of Trump staffers have spoken favourably of the WW2 interment camps in the context of "protecting" the US from Muslims.

Reminds me of the plot summary of "The Siege" from 1998:

"After terrorists attack a bus in Brooklyn, a Broadway theater and FBI headquarters, FBI anti-terrorism expert Anthony Hubbard (Denzel Washington) teams up with CIA agent Elise Kraft (Annette Bening) to investigate. Soon, martial law is declared in New York City, and General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis), a sadistic racist, is put in command. When Devereaux begins rounding up Arab-Americans and forcing them into a detention camp, Hubbard and Kraft must fight back in the name of freedom."

fuelair · 20th November 2016, 02:19 PM

As to the initializations, I no longer worry about it as I have no problem with other people's sexuality unless they want to force me to participate. This is, by the by, unlikely.

fuelair · 20th November 2016, 02:20 PM

And all I remember is the original LGBT.

thaiboxerken · 20th November 2016, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.

No, but registration of people in the "wrong" religion is seriously being entertained by people in the Trump camp.

theprestige · 20th November 2016, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

No, but registration of people in the "wrong" religion is seriously being entertained by people in the Trump camp.

Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing.

Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".

Noztradamus · 20th November 2016, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

They were the same bigots that voted Republican last time. It was the democrats that didn't turn out to vote.

Considering the candidate they had, they'll never turn out the vote again.

Quote:

Polls show Hillary Clinton most popular US politician

http://www.clintonhousemuseum.org/co...ularpolitician

thaiboxerken · 20th November 2016, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing.

Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...s-to-register/

I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.

lionking · 20th November 2016, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

Why, of all places on earth, would you move to New Zealand? Seriously, besides the fact that people speak English, the country is very developed and rich it's really like moving to the moon.

It's in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing interesting going on there at all. Might as well move to Europe where at least something interesting happens (beyond natural disasters such as earth-quakes).

Good you got that off your chest.

Firstly, how many European countries are welcoming immigrants? The opposite it seems. Secondly, I'm not a Kiwi (heaven forbid), but if you think nothing interesting happens in NZ, you are badly mistaken. Actually I would put it above Sweden on the excitement stakes.

Captain_Swoop · 21st November 2016, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Good you got that off your chest.

Firstly, how many European countries are welcoming immigrants? The opposite it seems. Secondly, I'm not a Kiwi (heaven forbid), but if you think nothing interesting happens in NZ, you are badly mistaken. Actually I would put it above Sweden on the excitement stakes.

Britain will always welcome a white immigrant.
As long as they are from one of the former Colonies.

lionking · 21st November 2016, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Britain will always welcome a white immigrant.
As long as they are from one of the former Colonies.

But wasn't I talking about Europe......

Captain_Swoop · 21st November 2016, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

But wasn't I talking about Europe......

Well, there's a couple of years left.

Belz... · 21st November 2016, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.

Ah, but do you have any evidence that he is? Huh? Huh?

Spindrift · 21st November 2016, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing.

Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".

Originally Posted by Noztradamus

Considering the candidate they had, they'll never turn out the vote again.

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Ah, but do you have any evidence that he is? Huh? Huh?

For most politicians they have their minions say the nasty things they want to express but still want some deniability that they ever said it. Trump on the other hand seems to relish saying controversial and often despicable things. It's like he gets some kind of thrill when people say, "Oh, look what Trump said. Can you believe it?"

theprestige · 21st November 2016, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...s-to-register/

I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.

Thanks! I agree.

fuelair · 4th December 2016, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

...still far better than libtards!

Again, can you not see how immature name calling is? On a skeptic's site I would hope for a higher level of discourse.

I'll take a flyer that you do not remember that the republickers started this when one of their "experts" had them start calling us the Democrat Party instead of our correct for ages name the Democratic Party. We did not like it, now you don't like yours. You would like even less the one I really think of yours as for all the hate and evil they now aspire to.

Fast Eddie B · 4th December 2016, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I'll take a flyer that you do not remember that the republickers started this...

No, you started it!

Say that in a Pee Wee Herman voice and that will be close to how that "argument" comes across.

fuelair · 4th December 2016, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

No, you started it!

Say that in a Pee Wee Herman voice and that will be close to how that "argument" comes across.

I don't do impressions. However, it is quite true. I also do research before I start with things like that - so I know when a denier wants to claim I am misstating or just lying I know how to locate the reality.

This is the reality: https://www.quora.com/Why-have-Repub...Democrat-Party

fuelair · 4th December 2016, 10:16 PM

Note, republickers are, in my estimation **** eating motherraping slime with no values and no honor. Republicans weren't, but those days were 34 years ago.

Tero · 5th December 2016, 05:28 AM

Will be interesting how Trump's approval rating goes. I think about 50% for 2 years, because polls are answered like votes, the same group will be contacted and some 20-30% will never answer a poll.

End of 4 years, I say about 25% approval. Pence will run for the next term. With Trump campaigning for him and running more Trump rallies.

The Don · 5th December 2016, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

Will be interesting how Trump's approval rating goes. I think about 50% for 2 years, because polls are answered like votes, the same group will be contacted and some 20-30% will never answer a poll.

End of 4 years, I say about 25% approval. Pence will run for the next term. With Trump campaigning for him and running more Trump rallies.

Don't think Trump would ever be a side-man

fuelair · 5th December 2016, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Don't think Trump would ever be a side-man

Trump will always be a back-door bandit.........

Mader Levap · 6th December 2016, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

What definition of "villain" would one use to exclude President Rapist?

"Not Republican".

phiwum · 6th December 2016, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

"Not Republican".

I don't want Trump to be our president. Now that he is, I hope that he'll do a decent job.

phiwum · 6th December 2016, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

What definition of "villain" would one use to exclude President Rapist?

I don't excuse this man who has somehow been elected. It's a stain on the Republic, but so it goes.

Marcus · 6th December 2016, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

What definition of "villain" would one use to exclude President Rapist?

I like President Pussy Grabber, it's catchier.

19th November 2016, 10:47 PM	#961
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,412	Originally Posted by luchog That's not what's being done. I've done that. I know others who have. Others in this thread have articulated that perspective. Who ate you to make such a sweeping declaration of literally everyone? Quote: It can, but very rarely ever does. This election is quite a clear example of bigotry and ignorance badly overriding the voters' clearly atrophied sense of self-preservation. For some, yes. I agree wholeheartedly. In other cases, voters saw a choice between someone who articulated their point of view against someone who promised to expand even further the very policies that caused their suffering and then taunted them with dismissive, pejorative labels. I don't agree with that assessment, but I can see how someone might be blinded by desperation into that perspective. Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?
	Last edited by Delphic Oracle; 19th November 2016 at 10:48 PM.

19th November 2016, 10:57 PM	#962
Samson Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,486	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle I've done that. I know others who have. Others in this thread have articulated that perspective. Who ate you to make such a sweeping declaration of literally everyone? For some, yes. I agree wholeheartedly. In other cases, voters saw a choice between someone who articulated their point of view against someone who promised to expand even further the very policies that caused their suffering and then taunted them with dismissive, pejorative labels. I don't agree with that assessment, but I can see how someone might be blinded by desperation into that perspective. Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you? Since the popular vote fluctuates within polling margin of error most elections, and in fact Clinton won the popular vote, it may be simply new people voted this time, while others abstained from voting. This election was a dead heat, meaning little to a statistician. Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. It is, in fact, pure chaos theory, a small change in input leading to huge change in output. There is thus an obvious structural flaw in systems that can allow this. Incremental improvements are ruled out.
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19th November 2016, 11:02 PM	#964
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by phiwum Think so? I afraid that they will be a cakewalk. I think the Republican congress will defer to Trump to an embarrassing extent. I hope I'm completely wrong and that I've underestimated the Republicans. Honestly, until this year, there was nothing wrong with being a Republican. I disagreed with them on many issues, but they're decent folk, by and large. Trump, however, is not decent or competent folk. Sorry , but Republicans/Republican party was dead by the early 80's and replaced by republickers - thugs and slime beholden to right wing fundy churchthugs. There are no real Republicans now.
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20th November 2016, 12:43 AM	#965
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you? They were the same bigots that voted Republican last time. It was the democrats that didn't turn out to vote.
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

20th November 2016, 01:40 AM	#966
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,412	Originally Posted by Samson Since the popular vote fluctuates within polling margin of error most elections, and in fact Clinton won the popular vote, it may be simply new people voted this time, while others abstained from voting. This election was a dead heat, meaning little to a statistician. Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. It is, in fact, pure chaos theory, a small change in input leading to huge change in output. There is thus an obvious structural flaw in systems that can allow this. Incremental improvements are ruled out. I linked some "union households" data from Penn/Ohio/Mich back a ways that showed a significant drop-off from previous years. This despite assurances from labor officials that all was well just weeks before election day. There are similar 'deltas' in the white/no degree/low-income demographics of various rust belt states. I wasn't particularly even meaning literal individual voters, given the 'broad brush' rhetoric I was responding to. Though I do agree with the razor-thin margin. The combined number of votes that would have flipped this election is just a bit over 100,000. One county in Ohio, one county in Wisconsin, and 3 counties in Pennsylvania that skewed away from their historical baseline (others did as well, but these are the ones that alone could have made the difference).
	Last edited by Delphic Oracle; 20th November 2016 at 01:50 AM.

19th November 2016, 10:59 PM	#963
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,624	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Hiring them to write his policies. No, but cite his cause. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

20th November 2016, 03:09 AM	#967
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,268	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle ...A good non-cabinet post for him would be Press Secretary. I would enthusiastically start watching daily briefings. I would schedule my life around them, in fact. No, Press Secretary will be John Barron.
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20th November 2016, 06:20 AM	#968
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by Samson Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. Or, will bring about refreshing change. Not saying I think it will, but assuming "cataclysmic" is at the very least premature.

20th November 2016, 06:22 AM	#969
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by fuelair Sorry , but Republicans/Republican party was dead by the early 80's and replaced by republickers... ...still far better than libtards! Again, can you not see how immature name calling is? On a skeptic's site I would hope for a higher level of discourse.

20th November 2016, 07:10 AM	#970
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 6,823	Originally Posted by Samson A headline in New Zealand probably not noticed in your going to be great again country. Trump apocalypse - 13,000 Americans register interest in moving to NZ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11750088 Why, of all places on earth, would you move to New Zealand? Seriously, besides the fact that people speak English, the country is very developed and rich it's really like moving to the moon. It's in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing interesting going on there at all. Might as well move to Europe where at least something interesting happens (beyond natural disasters such as earth-quakes).
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20th November 2016, 07:29 AM	#971
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by Argumemnon Damn, man. I was with you right up to the Godwin. :\ Considering who Trump proposed for his cabinet, I consider my ending sentence good use of Godwin. It is pretty much hyperbolic way to say: No, we will not "wait and see until it is too late".
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20th November 2016, 09:40 AM	#972
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,108	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Considering who Trump proposed for his cabinet, I consider my ending sentence good use of Godwin. It is pretty much hyperbolic way to say: No, we will not "wait and see until it is too late". I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.

20th November 2016, 11:38 AM	#973
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 16,201	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. You keep saying that, yet there's no clear evidence of that. 45% of eligible voters did not vote. We know that certain conservative demographics voted in record numbers. We also know that voter suppression was at an all-time high. It's just as likely, if not moreso, that a lot of those voters simply didn't vote, or voted third party, or were prevented from voting by an establishment that has been working very hard for 8 years to disenfranchise them.
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20th November 2016, 11:40 AM	#974
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 16,201	Originally Posted by Argumemnon I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future. However, a number of Trump staffers have spoken favourably of the WW2 interment camps in the context of "protecting" the US from Muslims.
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20th November 2016, 12:07 PM	#975
Samson Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,486	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B Or, will bring about refreshing change. Not saying I think it will, but assuming "cataclysmic" is at the very least premature. In fact from here I was very glad to see Trump win. My view is that an American Russian alliance to keep China under control is the way forward. We have much to fear in New Zealand from a trade alliance guaranteeing unfettered access to New Zealand farms, houses and residential development land. They are already stripping the seashore of shell fish. The birds of the air will disappear next. Their purchasing power in a country our size is of course quite disproportionate.
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20th November 2016, 12:13 PM	#976
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by luchog However, a number of Trump staffers have spoken favourably of the WW2 interment camps in the context of "protecting" the US from Muslims. Reminds me of the plot summary of "The Siege" from 1998: "After terrorists attack a bus in Brooklyn, a Broadway theater and FBI headquarters, FBI anti-terrorism expert Anthony Hubbard (Denzel Washington) teams up with CIA agent Elise Kraft (Annette Bening) to investigate. Soon, martial law is declared in New York City, and General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis), a sadistic racist, is put in command. When Devereaux begins rounding up Arab-Americans and forcing them into a detention camp, Hubbard and Kraft must fight back in the name of freedom."

20th November 2016, 02:19 PM	#977
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	As to the initializations, I no longer worry about it as I have no problem with other people's sexuality unless they want to force me to participate. This is, by the by, unlikely.
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20th November 2016, 02:20 PM	#978
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	And all I remember is the original LGBT.
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20th November 2016, 08:37 PM	#979
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Argumemnon I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future. No, but registration of people in the "wrong" religion is seriously being entertained by people in the Trump camp.
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20th November 2016, 10:46 PM	#980
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,624	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken No, but registration of people in the "wrong" religion is seriously being entertained by people in the Trump camp. Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing. Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".

20th November 2016, 10:58 PM	#981
Noztradamus Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,680	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken They were the same bigots that voted Republican last time. It was the democrats that didn't turn out to vote. Considering the candidate they had, they'll never turn out the vote again. Quote: Polls show Hillary Clinton most popular US politician http://www.clintonhousemuseum.org/co...ularpolitician
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20th November 2016, 11:00 PM	#982
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by theprestige Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing. Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp". http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...s-to-register/ I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. Last edited by thaiboxerken; 20th November 2016 at 11:19 PM.

20th November 2016, 11:00 PM	#983
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 47,174	Originally Posted by Arcade22 Why, of all places on earth, would you move to New Zealand? Seriously, besides the fact that people speak English, the country is very developed and rich it's really like moving to the moon. It's in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing interesting going on there at all. Might as well move to Europe where at least something interesting happens (beyond natural disasters such as earth-quakes). Good you got that off your chest. Firstly, how many European countries are welcoming immigrants? The opposite it seems. Secondly, I'm not a Kiwi (heaven forbid), but if you think nothing interesting happens in NZ, you are badly mistaken. Actually I would put it above Sweden on the excitement stakes.
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21st November 2016, 03:12 AM	#984
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32,732	Originally Posted by lionking Good you got that off your chest. Firstly, how many European countries are welcoming immigrants? The opposite it seems. Secondly, I'm not a Kiwi (heaven forbid), but if you think nothing interesting happens in NZ, you are badly mistaken. Actually I would put it above Sweden on the excitement stakes. Britain will always welcome a white immigrant. As long as they are from one of the former Colonies.

21st November 2016, 03:16 AM	#985
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 47,174	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Britain will always welcome a white immigrant. As long as they are from one of the former Colonies. But wasn't I talking about Europe......
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21st November 2016, 03:18 AM	#986
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32,732	Originally Posted by lionking But wasn't I talking about Europe...... Well, there's a couple of years left.

21st November 2016, 03:24 AM	#987
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,108	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp. Ah, but do you have any evidence that he is? Huh? Huh?

21st November 2016, 08:10 AM	#988
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by theprestige Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing. Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp". Originally Posted by Noztradamus Considering the candidate they had, they'll never turn out the vote again. Originally Posted by Argumemnon Ah, but do you have any evidence that he is? Huh? Huh? For most politicians they have their minions say the nasty things they want to express but still want some deniability that they ever said it. Trump on the other hand seems to relish saying controversial and often despicable things. It's like he gets some kind of thrill when people say, "Oh, look what Trump said. Can you believe it?"
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21st November 2016, 08:26 AM	#989
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,624	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...s-to-register/ I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp. Thanks! I agree.

4th December 2016, 05:31 PM	#990
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B ...still far better than libtards! Again, can you not see how immature name calling is? On a skeptic's site I would hope for a higher level of discourse. I'll take a flyer that you do not remember that the republickers started this when one of their "experts" had them start calling us the Democrat Party instead of our correct for ages name the Democratic Party. We did not like it, now you don't like yours. You would like even less the one I really think of yours as for all the hate and evil they now aspire to.
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4th December 2016, 05:54 PM	#991
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by fuelair I'll take a flyer that you do not remember that the republickers started this... No, you started it! Say that in a Pee Wee Herman voice and that will be close to how that "argument" comes across.

4th December 2016, 10:14 PM	#992
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B No, you started it! Say that in a Pee Wee Herman voice and that will be close to how that "argument" comes across. I don't do impressions. However, it is quite true. I also do research before I start with things like that - so I know when a denier wants to claim I am misstating or just lying I know how to locate the reality. This is the reality: https://www.quora.com/Why-have-Repub...Democrat-Party
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4th December 2016, 10:16 PM	#993
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Note, republickers are, in my estimation **** eating motherraping slime with no values and no honor. Republicans weren't, but those days were 34 years ago.
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5th December 2016, 05:28 AM	#994
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,216	Will be interesting how Trump's approval rating goes. I think about 50% for 2 years, because polls are answered like votes, the same group will be contacted and some 20-30% will never answer a poll. End of 4 years, I say about 25% approval. Pence will run for the next term. With Trump campaigning for him and running more Trump rallies.
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5th December 2016, 06:40 AM	#995
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,617	Originally Posted by Tero Will be interesting how Trump's approval rating goes. I think about 50% for 2 years, because polls are answered like votes, the same group will be contacted and some 20-30% will never answer a poll. End of 4 years, I say about 25% approval. Pence will run for the next term. With Trump campaigning for him and running more Trump rallies. Don't think Trump would ever be a side-man