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Babbylonian · 6th December 2016, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus

I like President Pussy Grabber, it's catchier.

Except that it doesn't convey that he raped his first wife.

Captain_Swoop · 6th December 2016, 06:12 PM

Nero?

Meadmaker · 6th December 2016, 09:07 PM

In the spirit of the thread title, there are plenty of rumors flying about Donald and Ivanka Trump's meeting with Al Gore. The right wing radio yappers were very nervous about it.

Marcus · 7th December 2016, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

Except that it doesn't convey that he raped his first wife.

Do we automatically believe Ivana though? I'm not sure that I trust her any more than The Donald. She presented the story during a divorce deposition while asking for millions of dollars, and elaborated on it in a tell all book also designed to generate income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, just that I don't think we should assume that it's true.

Dr. Keith · 8th December 2016, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Marcus

Do we automatically believe Ivana though? I'm not sure that I trust her any more than The Donald. She presented the story during a divorce deposition while asking for millions of dollars, and elaborated on it in a tell all book also designed to generate income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, just that I don't think we should assume that it's true.

She also restated it as she was supporting him for president. She tried to couch it as not legal rape, just having sex with her against her will.

Which you might recognize as still legally rape.

Babbylonian · 8th December 2016, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus

Do we automatically believe Ivana though? I'm not sure that I trust her any more than The Donald. She presented the story during a divorce deposition while asking for millions of dollars, and elaborated on it in a tell all book also designed to generate income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, just that I don't think we should assume that it's true.

Actually, as I understand it, she apparently told others of the incident before the divorce then later minimized it, presumably to get on with her life.

You can believe her or not. I do. Given the vile things we know he has said about women since, it's surprising that anyone would disbelieve her.

And it's not like she needed the extra oomph to get what she wanted out of the divorce, given that he was openly having an affair with the woman who would become his second wife.

Babbylonian · 8th December 2016, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

She also restated it as she was supporting him for president. She tried to couch it as not legal rape, just having sex with her against her will.

Which you might recognize as still legally rape.

More importantly, it would still morally be rape given any moral framework that does not regard wives as chattel.

Spindrift · 8th December 2016, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

More importantly, it would still morally be rape given any moral framework that does not regard wives as chattel.

Ergo, the alt-right does not consider it rape.

WilliamSeger · 11th December 2016, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus

I like President Pussy Grabber, it's catchier.

I like Unregistered Sex Offender at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

ponderingturtle · 12th December 2016, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

Except that it doesn't convey that he raped his first wife.

But was spousal rape legal at the time?

Tero · 12th December 2016, 06:23 AM

Medicare to be ruined as well as Obamacare:
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/12/obam...-possible-way/

When will they learn? Republicans never give you anything except tax breaks if you make enough. The "poor" may pay little tax but the loss in benefits denies any of their kids a brighter future.

Marcus · 12th December 2016, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

But was spousal rape legal at the time?

No, only before 1984, IIRC.

ponderingturtle · 12th December 2016, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Marcus

No, only before 1984, IIRC.

The last state to exempt it was in 1993.

Fast Eddie B · 12th December 2016, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

But was spousal rape legal at the time?

Whatever happened to presumption of innocence?

Or does that get waived if you don't like someone?

newyorkguy · 12th December 2016, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

Whatever happened to presumption of innocence? Or does that get waived if you don't like someone?

Yes, people can be so cruel!

Marcus · 12th December 2016, 08:12 AM

Marital rape was legal in New York until 1984. http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ntil-1984.html

Marcus · 12th December 2016, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

Whatever happened to presumption of innocence?

Or does that get waived if you don't like someone?

Presumption of innocence is for a court of law. That said, I personally am not sure if he or Ivana is telling the truth.

Fast Eddie B · 12th December 2016, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Marcus

That said, I personally am not sure if he or Ivana is telling the truth.

That's what makes "He said...She said..." cases so difficult to prosecute.

Plus, "We've role-played rape scenarios before, and I thought that's what this was" is not an unreasonable defense.

Emily's Cat · 12th December 2016, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kestrel

Why would Democrats have any reason to be polite to the party that elected someone as rude and nasty as Donsld Trump?

That's not what I'm asking. Did you read fuelair's post? He appears to be saying that republicans started the "nastiness" by referring to it as the "Democrat Party" instead of the "Democratic Party". He appears to be using that as justification for referring to them as "republickers". I'm asking if he sees those terms as being comparable insults.

kmortis · 14th December 2016, 09:45 AM

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Meadmaker · 14th December 2016, 10:12 AM

When it comes to Trump and what sort of president he will be, he's starting out just like I would expect.

He has started an ill considered rift between the White House and intelligence agencies even before he took office.

He thinks he's "a smart guy", so he doesn't need no stinking intelligence briefings.

He is filling his cabinet with billionaire donors. Hardly a "swamp drainer" in sight.

He has sent out tweets without sufficient thought that affected, at least short term, the stock prices of Lockheed and Boeing.

During a period when most people think they really need to be working hard to get ready to take on a very difficult job, he has gone on an ego-stroking "victory tour".

He has claimed that his squeaking in on a technicality, with an electoral college margin that is in the bottom 1/4 of historical margins, a "landslide victory".

Who knows? Maybe this will all work out well. I guess we'll see. So far, though, he's acting exactly as I would have expected him to act. He is using his position to inflate his own ego. I really wish that guy didn't have an army at his command.

Fast Eddie B · 14th December 2016, 10:38 AM

In agreement, up to...

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

He has claimed that his squeaking in on a technicality...

Name said "technicality".

Spindrift · 14th December 2016, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

In agreement, up to...

Name said "technicality".

The Electoral College.

ponderingturtle · 14th December 2016, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

When it comes to Trump and what sort of president he will be, he's starting out just like I would expect.

He has started an ill considered rift between the White House and intelligence agencies even before he took office.

He thinks he's "a smart guy", so he doesn't need no stinking intelligence briefings.

He is filling his cabinet with billionaire donors. Hardly a "swamp drainer" in sight.

Exactly donors not lobbyists. He is cutting out the middlemen.

Quote:

He has sent out tweets without sufficient thought that affected, at least short term, the stock prices of Lockheed and Boeing.

Or thought it through and was able to make a killing on the drop.

Fast Eddie B · 14th December 2016, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

The Electoral College.

Hardly a "technicality". It's the recognized system in place for determining the result of U.S. elections.

And Trump won that election. Like it or not*. And not due to some imagined "technicality".

*And I don't like it.

luchog · 14th December 2016, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

And Trump won that election. Like it or not*. And not due to some imagined "technicality".

Since the Electoral College vote has not actually taken place yet, do you have some sort of crystal ball or time machine that allows you to travel to the future to see the outcome of that election?

Belz... · 14th December 2016, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by luchog

Since the Electoral College vote has not actually taken place yet, do you have some sort of crystal ball or time machine that allows you to travel to the future to see the outcome of that election?

Let's just say the odds of the EC voting against him are slim, not only historically, but also considering the possible consequences.

Emily's Cat · 14th December 2016, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Let's just say the odds of the EC voting against him are slim, not only historically, but also considering the possible consequences.

Yeah, the push to have the EC override the vote actually worries me. I believe there would be substantial civil unrest, and potentially violence, if the EC did so.

thaiboxerken · 14th December 2016, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Yeah, the push to have the EC override the vote actually worries me. I believe there would be substantial civil unrest, and potentially violence, if the EC did so.

Yep. Trump supporters were gearing up for war prior to the election, after all.

Dr. Keith · 14th December 2016, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus

That said, I personally am not sure if he or Ivana is telling the truth.

Has he ever addressed the issue?

I've heard his attorney claiming that it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife. (He was wrong.)

Can someone point to trump addressing the issue?

Babbylonian · 14th December 2016, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Has he ever addressed the issue?

I've heard his attorney claiming that it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife. (He was wrong.)

Can someone point to trump addressing the issue?

Surely if it's not true, he must have sued anyone who repeated the accusation over the years. Given the many completely unjustifiable lawsuits he's threatened, it stands to reason that he would file [at least] one over this since such a cause of action would actually make sense...if it was a lie.

Fast Eddie B · 14th December 2016, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by luchog

Since the Electoral College vote has not actually taken place yet, do you have some sort of crystal ball or time machine that allows you to travel to the future to see the outcome of that election?

Different issue. I think it started with him "squeaking in on a technicality", which I assumed was past tense.

To say that technically he has not yet won the electoral vote is pedantic at best.

Belz... · 14th December 2016, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Yeah, the push to have the EC override the vote actually worries me. I believe there would be substantial civil unrest, and potentially violence, if the EC did so.

Not only that, but what happens if a monster wins the popular vote? Without the EC, you have nothing to prevent him from taking office.

Marcus · 14th December 2016, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Has he ever addressed the issue?

I've heard his attorney claiming that it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife. (He was wrong.)

Can someone point to trump addressing the issue?

Trump has denied it numerous times, while Ivana recanted it saying she was not raped "in a literal or criminal sense"

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/30/...-what-rape-is/

http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-tr...lly-1721129617

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donal...exual-assault/

beachnut · 14th December 2016, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

He used to be a Democrat, the Republican establishment fought against him, and just because he draws the racist vote doesn't mean he will be a racist president.

He may turn out to be a centrist who can get things done.

that could be true...

he is a tweeter bully - the guy who did not go far after high school, but still has a life - I can't believe anyone voted for someone who lies so much, but I guess we all love those BS artists we grew up with

I love the way he blasts companies, too bad I don't have the massive bucks to cash in on the tweets which lower stocks, and then they rise... Trump is a day traders dream, with lots of rain

I was going to tweet back to trump, but I don't want the FBI, IRS, et al coming to my door

Mycroft · 14th December 2016, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

that could be true...

he is a tweeter bully - the guy who did not go far after high school, but still has a life - I can't believe anyone voted for someone who lies so much, but I guess we all love those BS artists we grew up with

I love the way he blasts companies, too bad I don't have the massive bucks to cash in on the tweets which lower stocks, and then they rise... Trump is a day traders dream, with lots of rain

I was going to tweet back to trump, but I don't want the FBI, IRS, et al coming to my door

Hmm...

We could get a small group together and pool money for investment, then see if we could bait Trump into bashing/praising companies so we could profit. We could target companies with small stock values to maximize our profits from price changes.

Dr. Keith · 14th December 2016, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus

Trump has denied it numerous times, while Ivana recanted it saying she was not raped "in a literal or criminal sense"

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/30/...-what-rape-is/

http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-tr...lly-1721129617

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donal...exual-assault/

Thanks. It is interesting that only one of those articles mentions that he denies it and even then it doesn't include his denial. I wonder if he has ever publicly denied it in his own words or only addressed it through his attorneys.

Also, Ivana's statement that Trump's attorneys required for the book still makes it clear that he violated her. So, does he deny it was rape or deny that the incident happened? His attorney denied it was rape, until he was corrected on the legal issue of marital rape. Was Ivana fed similar legal advice when she made that statement?

Dr. Keith · 14th December 2016, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

Hmm...

We could get a small group together and pool money for investment, then see if we could bait Trump into bashing/praising companies so we could profit. We could target companies with small stock values to maximize our profits from price changes.

XOM made a bit of a jump based on Tillerson being considered for SoS. It is coming back down, but it was up more than 3% for most of yesterday compared to pre-announcement.

Marcus · 14th December 2016, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Thanks. It is interesting that only one of those articles mentions that he denies it and even then it doesn't include his denial. I wonder if he has ever publicly denied it in his own words or only addressed it through his attorneys.

Also, Ivana's statement that Trump's attorneys required for the book still makes it clear that he violated her. So, does he deny it was rape or deny that the incident happened? His attorney denied it was rape, until he was corrected on the legal issue of marital rape. Was Ivana fed similar legal advice when she made that statement?

Here's a story of Ivana denying she accused him of rape http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...y-beast-120721

Here is a report claiming he denied it:

Trump previously denied the allegation, including the scalp surgery. “It’s obviously false,” Donald Trump reportedly said in 1993. “It’s incorrect and done by a guy without much talent … He is a guy that is an unattractive guy who is a vindictive and jealous person.” Trump’s legal counsel told the Daily Beast that Ivana was talking about how “she felt raped emotionally … She was not referring to it [as] a criminal matter, and not in its literal sense, though there’s many literal senses to the word.” http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/all-...l-assault.html

Of course all these reports are reporting lots of other unsavory incidents, so the alleged rape of Ivana is only one problem in his past.

Meadmaker · 14th December 2016, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

In agreement, up to...

Name said "technicality".

Maybe "technicality" isn't the right word, but I think you get the point.

He barely won the election. In fact, he didn't even have as many votes as his opponent. He didn't have a majority of votes. His electoral margin was quite low compared to the historical average.

So I was calling his Electoral College victory a "technicality" in the sense that it follows the letter of the law, but when you think about winning elections, you usually think about getting more votes than the other guy. Trump didn't. Maybe there's a better word than "technicality".

The real point is that it is in no sense a landslide, but Trump is calling it a landslide. As with so many Trumpisms, I have to wonder. Is it marketing/propaganda/lying, or is he delusional and thinks he really got a mandate from the American people?

6th December 2016, 09:07 PM	#1003
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7th December 2016, 05:08 PM	#1004
Marcus Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,488	Originally Posted by Babbylonian Except that it doesn't convey that he raped his first wife. Do we automatically believe Ivana though? I'm not sure that I trust her any more than The Donald. She presented the story during a divorce deposition while asking for millions of dollars, and elaborated on it in a tell all book also designed to generate income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, just that I don't think we should assume that it's true.
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8th December 2016, 11:55 AM	#1005
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,944	Originally Posted by Marcus Do we automatically believe Ivana though? I'm not sure that I trust her any more than The Donald. She presented the story during a divorce deposition while asking for millions of dollars, and elaborated on it in a tell all book also designed to generate income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, just that I don't think we should assume that it's true. She also restated it as she was supporting him for president. She tried to couch it as not legal rape, just having sex with her against her will. Which you might recognize as still legally rape.
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8th December 2016, 12:22 PM	#1006
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,553	Originally Posted by Marcus Do we automatically believe Ivana though? I'm not sure that I trust her any more than The Donald. She presented the story during a divorce deposition while asking for millions of dollars, and elaborated on it in a tell all book also designed to generate income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, just that I don't think we should assume that it's true. Actually, as I understand it, she apparently told others of the incident before the divorce then later minimized it, presumably to get on with her life. You can believe her or not. I do. Given the vile things we know he has said about women since, it's surprising that anyone would disbelieve her. And it's not like she needed the extra oomph to get what she wanted out of the divorce, given that he was openly having an affair with the woman who would become his second wife.
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8th December 2016, 12:30 PM	#1008
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by Babbylonian More importantly, it would still morally be rape given any moral framework that does not regard wives as chattel. Ergo, the alt-right does not consider it rape.
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6th December 2016, 06:04 PM	#1001
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,553	Originally Posted by Marcus I like President Pussy Grabber, it's catchier. Except that it doesn't convey that he raped his first wife.

6th December 2016, 06:12 PM	#1002
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Pither 12/20 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32,779	Nero?

8th December 2016, 12:24 PM	#1007
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,553	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith She also restated it as she was supporting him for president. She tried to couch it as not legal rape, just having sex with her against her will. Which you might recognize as still legally rape. More importantly, it would still morally be rape given any moral framework that does not regard wives as chattel.

11th December 2016, 09:47 PM	#1009
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by Marcus I like President Pussy Grabber, it's catchier. I like Unregistered Sex Offender at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

12th December 2016, 04:46 AM	#1010
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,761	Originally Posted by Babbylonian Except that it doesn't convey that he raped his first wife. But was spousal rape legal at the time?
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12th December 2016, 06:23 AM	#1011
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12th December 2016, 07:02 AM	#1012
Marcus Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,488	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle But was spousal rape legal at the time? No, only before 1984, IIRC.
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12th December 2016, 07:03 AM	#1013
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,761	Originally Posted by Marcus No, only before 1984, IIRC. The last state to exempt it was in 1993.
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12th December 2016, 07:23 AM	#1014
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle But was spousal rape legal at the time? Whatever happened to presumption of innocence? Or does that get waived if you don't like someone?

12th December 2016, 08:12 AM	#1016
Marcus Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,488	Marital rape was legal in New York until 1984. http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ntil-1984.html
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12th December 2016, 08:14 AM	#1017
Marcus Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,488	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B Whatever happened to presumption of innocence? Or does that get waived if you don't like someone? Presumption of innocence is for a court of law. That said, I personally am not sure if he or Ivana is telling the truth.
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12th December 2016, 08:20 AM	#1018
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by Marcus That said, I personally am not sure if he or Ivana is telling the truth. That's what makes "He said...She said..." cases so difficult to prosecute. Plus, "We've role-played rape scenarios before, and I thought that's what this was" is not an unreasonable defense.

12th December 2016, 11:00 AM	#1019
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14th December 2016, 10:12 AM	#1021
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,545	When it comes to Trump and what sort of president he will be, he's starting out just like I would expect. He has started an ill considered rift between the White House and intelligence agencies even before he took office. He thinks he's "a smart guy", so he doesn't need no stinking intelligence briefings. He is filling his cabinet with billionaire donors. Hardly a "swamp drainer" in sight. He has sent out tweets without sufficient thought that affected, at least short term, the stock prices of Lockheed and Boeing. During a period when most people think they really need to be working hard to get ready to take on a very difficult job, he has gone on an ego-stroking "victory tour". He has claimed that his squeaking in on a technicality, with an electoral college margin that is in the bottom 1/4 of historical margins, a "landslide victory". Who knows? Maybe this will all work out well. I guess we'll see. So far, though, he's acting exactly as I would have expected him to act. He is using his position to inflate his own ego. I really wish that guy didn't have an army at his command.
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14th December 2016, 10:38 AM	#1022
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	In agreement, up to... Originally Posted by Meadmaker He has claimed that his squeaking in on a technicality... Name said "technicality".

14th December 2016, 10:42 AM	#1023
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14th December 2016, 10:47 AM	#1024
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,761	Originally Posted by Meadmaker When it comes to Trump and what sort of president he will be, he's starting out just like I would expect. He has started an ill considered rift between the White House and intelligence agencies even before he took office. He thinks he's "a smart guy", so he doesn't need no stinking intelligence briefings. He is filling his cabinet with billionaire donors. Hardly a "swamp drainer" in sight. Exactly donors not lobbyists. He is cutting out the middlemen. Quote: He has sent out tweets without sufficient thought that affected, at least short term, the stock prices of Lockheed and Boeing. Or thought it through and was able to make a killing on the drop.
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14th December 2016, 10:50 AM	#1025
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by Spindrift The Electoral College. Hardly a "technicality". It's the recognized system in place for determining the result of U.S. elections. And Trump won that election. Like it or not. And not due to some imagined "technicality". And I don't like it.

14th December 2016, 12:41 PM	#1026
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 16,201	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B And Trump won that election. Like it or not*. And not due to some imagined "technicality". Since the Electoral College vote has not actually taken place yet, do you have some sort of crystal ball or time machine that allows you to travel to the future to see the outcome of that election?
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14th December 2016, 12:58 PM	#1027
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,247	Originally Posted by luchog Since the Electoral College vote has not actually taken place yet, do you have some sort of crystal ball or time machine that allows you to travel to the future to see the outcome of that election? Let's just say the odds of the EC voting against him are slim, not only historically, but also considering the possible consequences.
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14th December 2016, 01:22 PM	#1028
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 15,397	Originally Posted by Argumemnon Let's just say the odds of the EC voting against him are slim, not only historically, but also considering the possible consequences. Yeah, the push to have the EC override the vote actually worries me. I believe there would be substantial civil unrest, and potentially violence, if the EC did so.
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14th December 2016, 01:26 PM	#1029
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Yeah, the push to have the EC override the vote actually worries me. I believe there would be substantial civil unrest, and potentially violence, if the EC did so. Yep. Trump supporters were gearing up for war prior to the election, after all.
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14th December 2016, 01:52 PM	#1030
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,944	Originally Posted by Marcus That said, I personally am not sure if he or Ivana is telling the truth. Has he ever addressed the issue? I've heard his attorney claiming that it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife. (He was wrong.) Can someone point to trump addressing the issue?
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14th December 2016, 02:13 PM	#1031
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,553	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Has he ever addressed the issue? I've heard his attorney claiming that it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife. (He was wrong.) Can someone point to trump addressing the issue? Surely if it's not true, he must have sued anyone who repeated the accusation over the years. Given the many completely unjustifiable lawsuits he's threatened, it stands to reason that he would file [at least] one over this since such a cause of action would actually make sense...if it was a lie.

14th December 2016, 02:26 PM	#1032
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by luchog Since the Electoral College vote has not actually taken place yet, do you have some sort of crystal ball or time machine that allows you to travel to the future to see the outcome of that election? Different issue. I think it started with him "squeaking in on a technicality", which I assumed was past tense. To say that technically he has not yet won the electoral vote is pedantic at best.

14th December 2016, 02:41 PM	#1033
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,247	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Yeah, the push to have the EC override the vote actually worries me. I believe there would be substantial civil unrest, and potentially violence, if the EC did so. Not only that, but what happens if a monster wins the popular vote? Without the EC, you have nothing to prevent him from taking office.
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14th December 2016, 04:10 PM	#1034
Marcus Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,488	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Has he ever addressed the issue? I've heard his attorney claiming that it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife. (He was wrong.) Can someone point to trump addressing the issue? Trump has denied it numerous times, while Ivana recanted it saying she was not raped "in a literal or criminal sense" https://theintercept.com/2016/06/30/...-what-rape-is/ http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-tr...lly-1721129617 http://fusion.net/story/328522/donal...exual-assault/
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14th December 2016, 04:27 PM	#1035
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 25,852	Originally Posted by Mycroft He used to be a Democrat, the Republican establishment fought against him, and just because he draws the racist vote doesn't mean he will be a racist president. He may turn out to be a centrist who can get things done. that could be true... he is a tweeter bully - the guy who did not go far after high school, but still has a life - I can't believe anyone voted for someone who lies so much, but I guess we all love those BS artists we grew up with I love the way he blasts companies, too bad I don't have the massive bucks to cash in on the tweets which lower stocks, and then they rise... Trump is a day traders dream, with lots of rain I was going to tweet back to trump, but I don't want the FBI, IRS, et al coming to my door
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14th December 2016, 04:49 PM	#1036
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,819	Originally Posted by beachnut that could be true... he is a tweeter bully - the guy who did not go far after high school, but still has a life - I can't believe anyone voted for someone who lies so much, but I guess we all love those BS artists we grew up with I love the way he blasts companies, too bad I don't have the massive bucks to cash in on the tweets which lower stocks, and then they rise... Trump is a day traders dream, with lots of rain I was going to tweet back to trump, but I don't want the FBI, IRS, et al coming to my door Hmm... We could get a small group together and pool money for investment, then see if we could bait Trump into bashing/praising companies so we could profit. We could target companies with small stock values to maximize our profits from price changes.
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14th December 2016, 04:55 PM	#1037
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,944	Originally Posted by Marcus Trump has denied it numerous times, while Ivana recanted it saying she was not raped "in a literal or criminal sense" https://theintercept.com/2016/06/30/...-what-rape-is/ http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-tr...lly-1721129617 http://fusion.net/story/328522/donal...exual-assault/ Thanks. It is interesting that only one of those articles mentions that he denies it and even then it doesn't include his denial. I wonder if he has ever publicly denied it in his own words or only addressed it through his attorneys. Also, Ivana's statement that Trump's attorneys required for the book still makes it clear that he violated her. So, does he deny it was rape or deny that the incident happened? His attorney denied it was rape, until he was corrected on the legal issue of marital rape. Was Ivana fed similar legal advice when she made that statement?
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