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Old 28th November 2019, 03:19 PM   #921
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity and lies about science, posts and posters.
He has the insane lie that gas forms diamagnetic cavities when we have said that it is plasma.
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Old 28th November 2019, 03:24 PM   #922
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity about science.
Comets made of ice and dust must have those ices sublimating near to the Sun. This is not magic ! Children who have seen dry ice know that CO2 ice removed from a freezer turns directly from solid ice to gas !

Insane gibberish from Sol88 about plasma forming from dust?
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Old 28th November 2019, 03:25 PM   #923
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What’s picking up the ions when the solar wind doesn’t get within cooee of the nucleus? Majic subsurface ice phase changing wizardry?

Or that the plasma already forming from the dust out eat before sublimation, enhanced these plasma phenomena?
Whaaaat? Let me explain this for the hard of thinking;

comet outgasses neutrals. Sun ionises some of the neutrals. Said ions, and associated electrons, get picked up by the solar wind electric field. Rate of ionisation is miniscule that close to the comet. However, outgassed ions exceed solar wind ions by some large ratio, once a reasonable amount of outgassing is under way. Neutrals just carry on outwards, unaffected by electric or magnetic fields. Because they are neutral. Eventually, they too become ionised. And are picked up. The time against ionisation for H2O is ~ 106 s.
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Old 28th November 2019, 03:26 PM   #924
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Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual lies about posts and posters.
No, it has nothing to do with the exclusion of the solar wind. is about Sol88 stupidity in the post being replied to.
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Old 28th November 2019, 03:28 PM   #925
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual lies about posts and posters.
The post does not say no electric fields.
ON THE ELECTRON-TO-NEUTRAL NUMBER DENSITY RATIO IN THE COMA OF COMET 67P/CHURYUMOV–GERASIMENKO: GUIDING EXPRESSION AND SOURCES FOR DEVIATIONS Vigren, E. et al.
This is a paper with a figure showing the electron-to-neutral density number decreasing to zero about 3 kilometers above the surface of the comet. No electrons = no ionized gas = no plasma! The coma is neutral gas from the surface of the come nucleus to 3 kilometers above the surface as jonesdave116 had suspected before: And the neutrals massively outnumber ions. By, at an educated guess, ~ 10^6: 1.
The model in the paper "does not account for chemical loss or the presence of electric fields" as in the abstract. The effects of these are discussed, e.g."4.5. Effect of Electric Fields".

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Old 28th November 2019, 03:31 PM   #926
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What? What magnetic field are taking about now then?
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Again, for the hard of thinking;

comet outgasses neutrals. Some of those neutrals are ionised. They are picked up by the solar wind. This mass loads said solar wind. To preserve angular momentum, or some such, the wind is deflected and slowed. And the magnetic field, carried by the aforementioned wind is also slowed and deflected. Just as Alfven showed in 1957. Although he didn't treat the magnetic field in his paper. So, we have the 'folding umbrella' phenomenon, as also seen at Mars and Venus, both of which are also unmagnetised bodies. The field piles up. It induces a current around the DC boundary. After the field is excluded.
You need to understand the difference between cause and effect. Which you would if you had read and understood decades of literature that explains it.
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Old 28th November 2019, 03:35 PM   #927
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No electric fields???

Go grab a coffee champ.
Why would they need to worry about that. They are dealing with ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS. Or didn't you read the paper? Too complicated, was it? Not written in crayon?
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Old 28th November 2019, 03:49 PM   #928
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Why would they need to worry about that. They are dealing with ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS. Or didn't you read the paper? Too complicated, was it? Not written in crayon?
I suspect that this is Sol88's usual idiocy that models have to include everything even if that makes them useless - and not doing so makes them useless !

There is Sol88's persistent stupidity about the Haser model assuming a spherically symmetric coma. Now he obsessively demands that a paper have a model that includes electric fields and ignores that it does not include chemical loss. And what about the gravitational force between electrons, ions and neutrals !
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I suspect that this is Sol88's usual idiocy that models have to include everything even if that makes them useless - and not doing so makes them useless !

There is Sol88's persistent stupidity about the Haser model assuming a spherically symmetric coma. Now he obsessively demands that a paper have a model that includes electric fields and ignores that it does not include chemical loss. And what about the gravitational force between electrons, ions and neutrals !
Indeed! They have constructed a model, but it is built upon;

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The ne/nN ratio is an observable from Rosetta multi-instrumental in situ measurements. Measurements by the Rosetta Orbiter Spectrometer for Ion and Neutral Analysis (ROSINA; Balsiger et al. 2007) give the total number density and relative composition of the neutral part of the coma (Hässig et al. 2015) and the relative abundances of the ion population (Fuselier et al. 2015). Measurements by the dual Langmuir probe (LAP; Eriksson et al. 2007) give, for example, total electron (and ion) number densities (Edberg et al. 2015), as well as the electron temperature. Electron number densities are also accessible through measurements by the Mutual Impedance Probe (MIP; Trotignon et al. 2007; Edberg et al. 2015).
which appears to have passed Sol by! My bolding.
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Why would they need to worry about that. They are dealing with ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS. Or didn't you read the paper? Too complicated, was it? Not written in crayon?







Why indeed, electric fields!! Bah humbug...
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Why indeed, electric fields!! Bah humbug...
A complete irrelevance. Neutrals outnumber ions and electrons by many orders of magnitude. As measured. As expected. And they are cometary neutrals. Which shouldn't be there in your religion. And which you cannot explain.
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A complete irrelevance. Neutrals outnumber ions and electrons by many orders of magnitude. As measured. As expected. And they are cometary neutrals. Which shouldn't be there in your religion. And which you cannot explain.
What neutrals?

The plasma required to form the “diamagnetic” cavity is already present in gobs at 3au.


You really are a duffer sport.
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The origin of the hot (>10 eV) electrons detected by RPC-IES whose level increases over the low ξ activity regions of the winter hemisphere and which are driving the ionospheric densities in this region is still not fully resolved.

The measured hot electrons have higher fluxes and higher energies than the solar wind population (Clark et al. 2015). Additional processes must therefore be taking place, affecting these populations. Clark et al. (2015) suggested electrostatic shock potentials, magnetic field compression and wave–particle interactions.

More recently, Broiles et al. (2016b) analysed RPC-IES and ROSINACOPSover the Southern hemisphere on 2014 November 1. Similar to our findings during period T2, they found a positive correlation between the hot electron (Te > 100 000 K) flux density and the ROSINA-COPS neutral density.

Madanian et al. (2016) also proposed the effect of ambipolar electric field with inward acceleration of electrons and, for more extreme cases, the compression of solar wind electrons associated with interplanetary shocks, as other energization processes of the electron population.

The origin of the hot electrons is still under debate, but may be further constrained by the analysis of additional cases under different outgassing activities, seasons and conditions in the space environment of comet 67P.
Ionospheric plasma of comet 67P probed by Rosetta at 3 au from the Sun

Almost this like this layer is trapping all but the highest energy electrons close to the nucleus. One would think this would lead to quite a large negative space charge relative to the solar wind.

Might even shield the solar wind from reaching the surface...

So the electric field can be VERY important in the production of plasma for the formation of a diamagnetic cavity. This cavity just expands and contracts in response to the local plasma conditions.

This is seen in beams, spiky filamentation and non uniform boundary of the diamagnetic cavity boundary later in the mission.
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As a rule of thumb,a dust particle collects about 700 extra electrons per unit particle volume equivalent radius (measured in µm) and unit electric potential difference between the particle surface and the surrounding plasma (measured in V).
Cometary Dust



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Further-more,we have ignored the interaction of the gas with dust grains.
Ionospheric plasma of comet 67P probed by Rosetta at 3 au from the Sun

Seems it an intergal part of the whole show.
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What neutrals?

The plasma required to form the “diamagnetic” cavity is already present in gobs at 3au.


You really are a duffer sport.

Does it really need to be written in crayon before you understand it? Any plasma that is there at 3 AU, or any other distance, is massively outnumbered by neutrals. Learn to read. And what plasma there is comes from the cometary neutrals.
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Ionospheric plasma of comet 67P probed by Rosetta at 3 au from the Sun

Almost this like this layer is trapping all but the highest energy electrons close to the nucleus. One would think this would lead to quite a large negative space charge relative to the solar wind.

Might even shield the solar wind from reaching the surface...

So the electric field can be VERY important in the production of plasma for the formation of a diamagnetic cavity. This cavity just expands and contracts in response to the local plasma conditions.

This is seen in beams, spiky filamentation and non uniform boundary of the diamagnetic cavity boundary later in the mission.
Sorry? In what universe does that gibberish make any sense? No universe that has plasma physicists within it!
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4.5 Charged Dust

Cometary Dust



Ionospheric plasma of comet 67P probed by Rosetta at 3 au from the Sun

Seems it an intergal part of the whole show.
Nope. No dust in the AMPTE experiments.
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Does it really need to be written in crayon before you understand it? Any plasma that is there at 3 AU, or any other distance, is massively outnumbered by neutrals. Learn to read. And what plasma there is comes from the cometary neutrals.
Cart before the horse, again, sport!

The ionisation of neutrals was already there way before any heat from the sun to cause the sublimation of non existent surface ice ya goose!

So what are these cometary neutrals that are being ionised? Photoionisation alone is not the cause

4.5 Charged Dust

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Fluffy particles carry always an important amount of charge vs. their mass, so that their motion is significantly affected by electric and magnetic fields, confirming the interpretations of striae in dust tails in terms of charged dust (Notni and Tiersch 1987).
Cometary Dust
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The solar wind particles detected in situ by RPC-IES (see Figs 4 and 5) are reaching all the way to the cometary surface, as attested by the detection of
refractory elements, such as Na, K, Si and Ca, most likely due to solarwind
sputtering of dust on the surface (Wurz et al. 2015), over the
Southern hemisphere – where the outgassing activity is the lowest
(see Section 3.2) and we observed the most intense energetic electron
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(see Section 3.4.3).
There's your neutrals, jonesdave116! No water ice detectable on the surface of 67P though, interestingly.

but

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Furthermore, we have ignored the interaction of the gas with dust grains.
At 3 au, dust charging can be neglected for total charge balance, though it may be important near perihelion (Vigren et al. 2015a).

Therefore, in the following, total ion number density ni is assumed to be equal to the electron density ne.
ouch...

We see this already at 3au, jonedave116. I know you'd like to ignore it but the dust is a major factor in the exchange of charge with the solar plasma.

ok...

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The measured hot electrons have higher fluxes and higher energies
than the solar wind population (Clark et al. 2015). Additional
processes must therefore be taking place, affecting these populations.
Clark et al. (2015) suggested electrostatic shock potentials,
magnetic field compression and wave–particle interactions.
hang on electrostatic shock potentials??

like these might be just a maybe when we have.... nested current sheets fed by field aligned currents?

Seems Volwerk et als,
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wrapping around the nucleus as an onion
are playing a role in all this too, especially transporting excess electrons off the nucleus!
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This means that the induced magnetosphere around a comet consists of a complex geometry of magnetic fields, as if a large amount of different kinds of curtains have been draped around the nucleus. One of the consequences of these rotations of the magnetic field is that there will be current sheets generated in the coma.
Fairly certain this would stop the solar wind magnetic field and viola! we have diamagnetic cavity!
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Cart before the horse, again, sport!

The ionisation of neutrals was already there way before any heat from the sun to cause the sublimation of non existent surface ice ya goose!

So what are these cometary neutrals that are being ionised? Photoionisation alone is not the cause

4.5 Charged Dust


Cometary Dust
Utter drivel. Get an education. What neutrals? And what was ionising them? Hmmm? Where are these neutrals coming from? Hmmm? Why are they not hanging around the vast majority of asteroids? Hmmmm?
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There's your neutrals, jonesdave116! No water ice detectable on the surface of 67P though, interestingly.
You really can't read, can you? That is from sputtering of the cometary surface when the solar wind has access to it. Which it doesn't for months on end. Fail. And there is plenty of H2O around. If you read the paper (pointless, as you won't understand it), you will see that where the production rate is highest at that time, there is no sputtering, because even that teeny amount of water vapour is preventing the solar wind reaching the surface to sputter anything. It is a very simple paper to understand, and even has piccies for the hard of thinking. However, I'm not surprised that it is beyond you. Go educate yourself. You are making a fool of yourself on here. As usual.
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ouch...

We see this already at 3au, jonedave116. I know you'd like to ignore it but the dust is a major factor in the exchange of charge with the solar plasma.

ok...
Fool. Have a look at the neutral count compared to the ion/ electron count, and stop polluting this thread with your uneducated nonsense.
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Further, for the intellectually challenged;

sputtering happens at asteroids. Permanently. Given that they are exposed to the solar wind. Permanently.
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There's your neutrals, jonesdave116!
Honestly, the stupid here hurts! Tiny amounts of sputtered K, Na, Si et al, explain shed loads of detected H2O, CO2, CO etc!
One can see the in this one post, the level of scientific ignorance required and expected of the EU acolytes!
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So, let's take a look at solar wind sputtering for the hard of understanding;

sputtering is a process whereby the ions, and particularly the heavier ones, in the solar wind, strike the surface of an atmosphereless body, such as the Moon, asteroids, low activity comets and the like. The process liberates atoms from the surface material. All jolly interesting, and well studied in the lab.
So, what did they see at 67P? This;

H2O-Si.jpg

Now, what does that figure tell us? Well, first of all, it shows a rather beautiful anti-correlation between the areas of highest outgassing, and the areas of highest sputtering. In other words, where there is water vapour, there is no sputtering, and vice versa. Secondly, it gives us an indication of the numbers of sputtered species compared to H2O, for the commonest sputtered species, silicon. What do we see? Well, if we understand how to read the right hand axes, it shows us that for a period when the comet was at very low activity (a few l/s), H20 outnumbers the sputtered silicon by ~ 5 orders of magnitude!
It is difficult to understand how anybody could fail to understand that figure, and the paper that contains it;

Solar wind sputtering of dust on the surface of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Wurz, P. et al. (2015)
https://www.aanda.org/component/arti...6361/201525980
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So, let's take a look at solar wind sputtering for the hard of understanding;

sputtering is a process whereby the ions, and particularly the heavier ones, in the solar wind, strike the surface of an atmosphereless body, such as the Moon, asteroids, low activity comets and the like. The process liberates atoms from the surface material. All jolly interesting, and well studied in the lab.
So, what did they see at 67P? This;

Attachment 41160

Now, what does that figure tell us? Well, first of all, it shows a rather beautiful anti-correlation between the areas of highest outgassing, and the areas of highest sputtering. In other words, where there is water vapour, there is no sputtering, and vice versa. Secondly, it gives us an indication of the numbers of sputtered species compared to H2O, for the commonest sputtered species, silicon. What do we see? Well, if we understand how to read the right hand axes, it shows us that for a period when the comet was at very low activity (a few l/s), H20 outnumbers the sputtered silicon by ~ 5 orders of magnitude!
It is difficult to understand how anybody could fail to understand that figure, and the paper that contains it;

Solar wind sputtering of dust on the surface of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Wurz, P. et al. (2015)
https://www.aanda.org/component/arti...6361/201525980
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Equation (5) is derived by the assumption that the amount of solar wind ions interacting with the neutral cloud simply depends on the local neutral gas density, n(r), and the scattering cross section,
ok then...oh

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The column density along the red solid arrow, that is, the column that has to be passed by the solar wind, is estimated by multiplying the
column density along the red dashed direction, which is derived
directly from the COPS measurement by a calibration factor of
6 obtained by comparison to the Monte Carlo calculations presented
in Fig. 4.

Our simplified model calculates the neutral gas
column density the solar wind has to pass
, Nsw, from infinity to
the surface of the comet with radius rc, by applying a 1=r2 law
using the scaled number density of COPS for the subsolar point,
Well well, assumptions based on assumptions. Makes it sound like there was loads of water, everywhere!

Meanwhile

We have energetic electrons already active on the surface of 67P way before any neutral gas.

These seem to more than energetic than can be accounted for, this is along with the dust that is now sputtered from the surface (via ions) and charged (negatively). This happen at the nucleus and is observed all the way down the tail.

You keep forgetting electrons joensdave116, why?
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ok then...oh



Well well, assumptions based on assumptions. Makes it sound like there was loads of water, everywhere!

Meanwhile

We have energetic electrons already active on the surface of 67P way before any neutral gas.

These seem to more than energetic than can be accounted for, this is along with the dust that is now sputtered from the surface (via ions) and charged (negatively). This happen at the nucleus and is observed all the way down the tail.

You keep forgetting electrons joensdave116, why?
I am not forgetting electrons, liar. I posted a bloody paper that shows the electron density to neutral density. As frigging measured. Do you know what that word means? Now, go away, educate yourself, and don't come back until you have. You are wasting pixels, and everybodies time.
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We have energetic electrons already active on the surface of 67P way before any neutral gas.
What neutral gas? Where is that coming from? And where are these energetic electrons at the surface detected before outgassing starts? Given that 67P was outgassing when Rosetta got there, methinks you are making **** up. As usual.
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What neutral gas? Where is that coming from? And where are these energetic electrons at the surface detected before outgassing starts? Given that 67P was outgassing when Rosetta got there, methinks you are making **** up. As usual.
The neutral gas stopping the solar wind. the whole argument.

This gas is assumed based on assumptions!

Stops ions, ha ha good one!
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The neutral gas stopping the solar wind. the whole argument.

This gas is assumed based on assumptions!

Stops ions, ha ha good one!
Liar. The gas is measured. Detected. Understand? How stupid do you need to be to not understand spectroscopy? You think they can misidenrtify the spectral lines of water, carbon dioxide, and many other neutrals with..........? What? Stop being dense. We have known about neutrals at comets for decades. Long before your unscientific cult came into existence.
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Liar. The gas is measured. Detected. Understand? How stupid do you need to be to not understand spectroscopy? You think they can misidenrtify the spectral lines of water, carbon dioxide, and many other neutrals with..........? What? Stop being dense. We have known about neutrals at comets for decades. Long before your unscientific cult came into existence.

No blue with the detection of water. The blue is with the model that overestimates the amount of needed to sustain said modeled production of water.

Outgassing out at 3au... right got it.
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No blue with the detection of water. The blue is with the model that overestimates the amount of needed to sustain said modeled production of water.

Outgassing out at 3au... right got it.
Try that in English and I might deign to respond. I have no idea what you are talking about. I said spectroscopy. Do you know what ro-vibrational lines are? Did you know that they are specific to various molecules? There is not a snowball's chance in hell of mistaking the water lines for anything else. Do you know what MIRO looks at the gas in? And the ODIN satellite? Microwave. Do you know the frequency of the water molecule signature? Do you think it could possibly be mistaken for anything else? No, would be the answer to that. And we first detected the definitive vibrational lines of water from the Kuiper Airborne Observatory, looking at Halley in 1985. Despite the lies that Thornhill told you. Which is why you are now in this unscientific denial-go-round. You were suckered by a con artist, and have now adopted his religion so deeply that you cannot let go of the idiotic woo.

http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/water_v..._spectrum.html
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Outgassing out at 3au... right got it.
No, you are too dense to get it. It is seen. By MIRO. As outlined in a paper 4.5 frigging years ago. To nobodies surprise. At 3.9 AU.

http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/06...n-comets-coma/

Distribution of water around the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at 3.4 AU from the Sun as seen by the MIRO instrument on Rosetta
Biver, N. et al. (2015)
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

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Sol88 insanely asks "what neutrals" in comet plasmas when he has been citing papers about electrons, ions and neutrals in comet plasmas !
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We have known for years about detection of the charged dust particles in the coma of 67P.
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No, you are too dense to get it. It is seen. By MIRO. As outlined in a paper 4.5 frigging years ago. To nobodies surprise. At 3.9 AU.

http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/06...n-comets-coma/

Distribution of water around the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at 3.4 AU from the Sun as seen by the MIRO instrument on Rosetta
Biver, N. et al. (2015)
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/ab...a26094-15.html
Ahhh.. they’ve made the same error as Volwerk et al, Currents in Cometary Comae
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3.2.1. Gas velocity and outgassing pattern
To simplify the analysis and reduce the free parameters, we as- sumed radial outflow at a constant velocity vexp and a Haser radial density distribution.
Me old mate Haser.
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We used 1D (radial) modeling of the density and molecular excitation,
Well there ya blue...

The comet MUST be mostly ice to make the Haser model correct.

You do know most of the water is in a region ice has never been observerd let alone being able to “outgass” beyond 3au

Get your hand off it and come back to reality.

Radial expansion of gas and dust is NOT observed to come from the nucleus.

But still, there was a plasma and highly energetic electrons at this distance.

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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about science.
It is the sublimation of ices that produces the neutral gas that is then ionized to make a cometary coma into plasma.

But then we have Sol88's insane religious dogma to which Sol88 now adds his personal insanity of a coma forming where there is no observation of a coma - outside of the "frost line" where ices sublimate !
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