4 Cancer Models and Grape Seed Extract

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 03:13 PM

Skin, Breast, Prostate and Colorectal

All these and now probably more are worked on in cancer research clinics with grape seed extract...Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering, Univ of Maryland and how many more I don't know

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728696/

Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies...

Hope you all have some fun with this topic on cancers.

Thermal · 7th March 2021, 03:50 PM

Wine is kind of a grape seed extract, isn't it? Takeaway should be to drink a lot of wine, like parking lot wino quantities. Cancer proof and lit up like a Christmas tree. To your health!

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 03:59 PM

Wine is made from the Grapes, and I did my share of wines in my life, but choose no alcohol anymore...Drink Up....

Thermal · 7th March 2021, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

..Drink Up....

SAY NO MORE, BABY!!!

Seriously, say no more.

GlennB · 7th March 2021, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies...

Have you had a 'poo test' to see whether a colonoscopy is indicated? If not, perhaps you should.

MarkCorrigan · 7th March 2021, 04:44 PM

Why do you keep opening new threads and running away from questions people ask in your other threads?

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 05:11 PM

The Power is in the SEEDS of the Grape.

https://www.lanzaloe.com/en/blog/el-...as-de-uva.html

Good info on the power of the SEEDS of the Grape.

I've used some oils for cooking and salads but no longer do that.

Mark, I reply where I feel it will be accepted otherwise the members can either take the info I post or leave it. I've told my history on the use of the Grape SEEDS and what else is there...they can do their work if they have an interest, and MOST don't.

And furthermore, if someone here believes this info and wants to take these SEEDS in pulverized form in a capsule, they will as everyone is adult here I believe.

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

Have you had a 'poo test' to see whether a colonoscopy is indicated? If not, perhaps you should.

No, was close to having one 20 yrs ago and did not, I trust I am FINE.

Positive thinking, positive outcomes..

MarkCorrigan · 7th March 2021, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

The Power is in the SEEDS of the Grape.

https://www.lanzaloe.com/en/blog/el-...as-de-uva.html

Good info on the power of the SEEDS of the Grape.

I've used some oils for cooking and salads but no longer do that.

Mark, I reply where I feel it will be accepted otherwise the members can either take the info I post or leave it. I've told my history on the use of the Grape SEEDS and what else is there...they can do their work if they have an interest, and MOST don't.

We want you to address criticism of your, and I'm being charitable here, arguments.

We would absolutely love for there to be a cheap alternative to expensive medications that works, people would be so happy to know that health was at their fingertips! The problem is we do not just accept your claims because we would like them to be true.

We might like fairies to exist as well, but someone simply announcing that they do is not going to impress anyone but the most gullible. We require evidence, not anecdotes and not assertions.

Quite frankly your posting style is highly offensive. You ignore counter arguments and get pissy when people won't just take your word for your wild claims. What would you do if someone announced to you that they had a dragon in their garage, would you just accept their say so? I doubt you would. In fact, I think you would ask for evidence of this dragon, and would not be satisfied if all they did was repeat the same claim over and over again. I imagine you would be indignant if they started to tell you that you were clearly stupid for not accepting their garage dragon. I imagine that you would find it highly offensive if they continually insisted to you that your lack of belief in dragons was evidence of your stupidity, and accused you of being brainwashed for following the "non-dragon orthodoxy".

So why is any of this behaviour acceptable when you do it?

GlennB · 7th March 2021, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

No, was close to having one 20 yrs ago and did not, I trust I am FINE.

Positive thinking, positive outcomes..

Ah, so you seem to be saying that positive thinking will prevent benign polyps from becoming malignant. OK

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 05:30 PM

Me offensive, so many here have been very offensive to me and attack everything I post, it's me against this whole forum.

I am to the point and no flowery stuff, and that's what I like about putting info out there.

You get with what I use or you don't..bottom line. I do NOT want pharma drugs in my life if I can find alternatives and PREVENTION.

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

Ah, so you seem to be saying that positive thinking will prevent benign polyps from becoming malignant. OK

Positive thinking can go a long way.

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 05:34 PM

And Mark read the links I post from the science people, I don't make that info up.

And who wants to hear the "C" dx from a doc? Not me. And if there is a supplement that MAY prevent these words, why not, cheap cheap insurance.

And as I believe I mentioned 25 yrs ago at a lecture when Grape Seed Ex was coming into the U.S. from France, the panel of docs and researchers said to t he audience "May Prevent Cancers".... the very main reason I jumped on it at age 57, and the first thing to go was a lifetime of allergy issues...

MarkCorrigan · 7th March 2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Me offensive,

Yes, exceptionally so. You have outright told me that I am either stupid or lying regarding the person I know who died from Covid, to give just one example. Further, your literal mocking refusal to even acknowledge the points people raise against you is highly offensive. You have literally stated that you won't listen to people. I can think of little more offensive, particularly on a sceptics forum, than preaching.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

so many here have been very offensive to me and attack everything I post,

Because you are telling people that their illness is their own fault. You are victim blaming and preaching, nothing more. You obviously cannot deal with the arguments people are bringing up against you and therefore clearly know on some level that your beliefs are rubbish and you're pushing them anyway.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

it's me against this whole forum.

If you were to address arguments rather than endlessly preach your rubbish at us, people might treat you with more respect. As it is, you are engendering no respect because you refuse to show any.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I am to the point and no flowery stuff, and that's what I like about putting info out there.

But you refuse to answer questions. You are not "to the point" you are metaphorically shouting at people on the street holding a sign. You are no different from street preachers denouncing the world as full of sin and saying the end is nigh.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

You get with what I use or you don't..bottom line. I do NOT want pharma drugs in my life if I can find alternatives and PREVENTION.

Which is fine, but no one will accept your claims without evidence.

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

Yes, exceptionally so. You have outright told me that I am either stupid or lying regarding the person I know who died from Covid, to give just one example. Further, your literal mocking refusal to even acknowledge the points people raise against you is highly offensive. You have literally stated that you won't listen to people. I can think of little more offensive, particularly on a sceptics forum, than preaching.

Because you are telling people that their illness is their own fault. You are victim blaming and preaching, nothing more. You obviously cannot deal with the arguments people are bringing up against you and therefore clearly know on some level that your beliefs are rubbish and you're pushing them anyway.

If you were to address arguments rather than endlessly preach your rubbish at us, people might treat you with more respect. As it is, you are engendering no respect because you refuse to show any.

But you refuse to answer questions. You are not "to the point" you are metaphorically shouting at people on the street holding a sign. You are no different from street preachers denouncing the world as full of sin and saying the end is nigh.

Which is fine, but no one will accept your claims without evidence.

Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief.

But if you come Mark, leave your gun at home, none are allowed in my house...

What do you want to hear from me, I love all you, you are all so receptive of me blah blah...just occurred to me that maybe I'm one of the first around this skeptics group or maybe not, I don't know how long it's been around. And yes I could not resist the gun remark as I'm very anti gun. And Mark's avatar is clearly showing a gun, those avatars tell a lot about a person I've learned...they are kinda foreign in my life.

JesseCuster · 7th March 2021, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief.

You seem to be always in an antagonistic mood. Perhaps there's a cocktail of alternative medications you can take for that.

MarkCorrigan · 7th March 2021, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief.

No, not evidence that you don't use medicine, evidence that the stuff you are shilling actually works.

Again, if I claim that I have a dragon in my garage, would you believe me or would you want evidence?

We all believe that you take the multitude of worthless crap you shill, (well, apart from those who think you're a troll) we just don't believe it is efficacious. Show that it works, don't just keep claiming it does.

Deal with people who provide counter arguments, don't just ignore them and make a new thread. Actually stick by your guns and back up your claims.

We have people on this board who diverge from the majority view, but there have been people who did so that gained respect by actually addressing claims and supporting their arguments. People who just insist that they are the smartest person in the room rarely get respect.

MarkCorrigan · 7th March 2021, 05:53 PM

What gun? I'm in the UK. I've never even held a gun, unless you count my airsoft bb guns.

Why do you assume everyone is American?

JesseCuster · 7th March 2021, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief.

In a previous post you said that pharma drugs "saved you" from your thyroid related depressive symptoms and now you're back to ranting against pharma drugs and how you've none around the house? Also, didn't you say you take ibuprofen for arthritis or something?

You're all over the place. Again.

Caroline13 · 7th March 2021, 07:07 PM

Oh as usual I'm done here for some time, it's all nonsense from you people and what you are asking for...this thread is about cancer prevention and leave it at that...

You people make my info go all over the place.

I want to bring cancer prevention info and now we're at thryoid, ibuprofen, arthritis and what else I quit.

p0lka · 7th March 2021, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Skin, Breast, Prostate and Colorectal

All these and now probably more are worked on in cancer research clinics with grape seed extract...Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering, Univ of Maryland and how many more I don't know

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728696/

Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies...

Hope you all have some fun with this topic on cancers.

If you read the notes, which anyone should do with any paper.. this is note 1,

"Published in a supplement to The Journal of Nutrition. Presented at the conference “Grape Health Workshop,” held in San Francisco, CA, December 2–3, 2008. The supplement coordinator for this supplement is John M. Pezzuto, University of Hawaii at Hilo. Publication costs for this supplement were defrayed in part by the payment of page charges. This publication must therefore be hereby marked “advertisement” in accordance with 18 USC section 1734 solely to indicate this fact. The conference was organized by the National Grape and Wine Initiative (NGWI) (its contents are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official views of NGWI)"

threadworm · 7th March 2021, 11:42 PM

By all means don't bother having preventative checks. By all means don't bother getting any treatments that are proven to save lives. I mean, if you close your eyes and wish very hard you might not get cancer.

Closing your eyes and wishing very hard might not be what does it though, so good luck with the whole dying horribly and painfully thing.

smartcooky · 8th March 2021, 02:09 AM

More spamming of the forum with Caroline's Woo woo BS.

TheSupermeerkat · 8th March 2021, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Skin, Breast, Prostate and Colorectal

All these and now probably more are worked on in cancer research clinics with grape seed extract...Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering, Univ of Maryland and how many more I don't know

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728696/

Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies...

Hope you all have some fun with this topic on cancers.

You still haven't answered my multiple questions in multiple threads about why you can't get your age right. It's almost like your pretending, but that can't be right.

Also, this thread you started is bollocks, like every other thread you have started.

Norman Alexander · 8th March 2021, 04:50 AM

What's that word for someone repeatedly starting new threads about the same subject (what, grape seeds AGAIN??!) over and over and over, every time without any explanation or discussion, just huffing and running away before the end of page 1. Posts about stuff they apparently sell in their own business. As though they were trying to get free Google hits via our forum.

I'm SURE there's a word for it...it's right on the tip of my tongue...rhymes with scroll...

Darn it, what is it!

Anyway, if it happens again, I will be doing some reporting. Haven't done that in a long time. Would be good to flex that muscle again.

Foster Zygote · 8th March 2021, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies.

And? You need to understand that the lack of examination doesn't mean that you are cancer free. That's like saying, "this old school building is safe for use by the Children's Theater because we've never even checked for asbestos".

RolandRat · 8th March 2021, 05:18 AM

https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/...and-drinks.php

"#2: Fruit Juice (Grape)
Fluoride per Cup 349.1μg (9% AI)
Fluoride per 100g 138μg (3% AI)
Fluoride per 200 Calories 460μg (11% AI)"

Uh oh.

Norman Alexander · 8th March 2021, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies...

I've had zero mammograms and one colonoscopy in my life. Turns out I'm pretty healthy too.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

No, was close to having one 20 yrs ago and did not, I trust I am FINE.

Positive thinking, positive outcomes..

Oh dear. You're not trying to shill The Secret^TM as well, are you?

Carrot Flower King · 8th March 2021, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by p0lka

If you read the notes, which anyone should do with any paper.. this is note 1,

"Published in a supplement to The Journal of Nutrition. Presented at the conference “Grape Health Workshop,” held in San Francisco, CA, December 2–3, 2008. The supplement coordinator for this supplement is John M. Pezzuto, University of Hawaii at Hilo. Publication costs for this supplement were defrayed in part by the payment of page charges. This publication must therefore be hereby marked “advertisement” in accordance with 18 USC section 1734 solely to indicate this fact. The conference was organized by the National Grape and Wine Initiative (NGWI) (its contents are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official views of NGWI)"

Not only that, but the paper itself (still open in another tab just over there ---->, so I did go look, Caroline) is highly speculative and uses predominantly rodent or in vitro studies, like pretty much everything I've seen purporting to demonstrate that anti-oxidants have anti-carcinogenic properties.

When these things are shown to have some consistent effects in yer actual human tissues it will become really interesting, but rodent and in vitro studies just put it in the large pile of "Mmmmm, must look into that a bit more some time" ideas.

Next?

Carrot Flower King · 8th March 2021, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

You people make my info go all over the place.

No, quite the opposite: several times now I have followed links you gave or done a search based on something you claimed, only to find that the link does not say what you claim or that the search does not produce results that support your claims, even when you mentined specific American hospitals which made a search easier. And then I have pointed this out, including links to specific papers or hospital websites. Other people have done similar things.

It is precisely because we have taken your claims seriously and followed the links or done relevant searches that we now know how much credence to put in your "info".

Not to mention all the ignored requests for sources for this "info" so any one could go and verify what you say (still waiting for the "science" which supports homeopathy, which would make very interesting reading).

Norman Alexander · 8th March 2021, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

No, quite the opposite: several times now I have followed links you gave or done a search based on something you claimed, only to find that the link does not say what you claim or that the search does not produce results that support your claims, even when you mentined specific American hospitals which made a search easier. And then I have pointed this out, including links to specific papers or hospital websites. Other people have done similar things.

It is precisely because we have taken your claims seriously and followed the links or done relevant searches that we now know how much credence to put in your "info".

Not to mention all the ignored requests for sources for this "info" so any one could go and verify what you say (still waiting for the "science" which supports homeopathy, which would make very interesting reading).

Indeed. We have even quoted some of the linked articles. Which says we have wasted valuable time and effort reading them.

Belz... · 8th March 2021, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Positive thinking, positive outcomes..

Only if you believe that thoughts are magic.

Belz... · 8th March 2021, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Positive thinking can go a long way.

It can help in making decisions, but it won't make your problems go away.

Quote:

Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...

See, we've got this little thing called science. Went to the moon, made the smartphone with it.

Quote:

Oh as usual I'm done here for some time,

Translation: "I'm going to run away from the discussion I started, again."

Carrot Flower King · 8th March 2021, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

What's that word for someone repeatedly starting new threads about the same subject (what, grape seeds AGAIN??!) over and over and over, every time without any explanation or discussion, just huffing and running away before the end of page 1. Posts about stuff they apparently sell in their own business. As though they were trying to get free Google hits via our forum.

I'm SURE there's a word for it...it's right on the tip of my tongue...rhymes with scroll...

Darn it, what is it!

Anyway, if it happens again, I will be doing some reporting. Haven't done that in a long time. Would be good to flex that muscle again.

There's another word for someone who consistently promotes things which they also sell - rhymes with "pill", IIRC.

Carrot Flower King · 8th March 2021, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Positive thinking, positive outcomes..

And still with the standard alt med/wooster victim blaming...

Can you supply any evidence to support that particular claim? Preferably without any further victim blaming.

threadworm · 8th March 2021, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Positive thinking can go a long way.

I'm positive that modern medicine cured my cancer.

I'm positive that the specialist doctors and nurses knew what they were doing thanks to their years of training and experience.

I'm positive that if I'd just relied on raising my pH and decalcifying my chakras I'd be dead.

I'm positive that if you got cancer you'd ditch your quackery and beg big pharma for mercy.

Chances are you already have, or have had, cancer without even knowing. I hope you don't get to find out the hard way what happens if it sticks.

Butter! · 8th March 2021, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Me offensive, so many here have been very offensive to me and attack everything I post, it's me against this whole forum.

I am to the point and no flowery stuff, and that's what I like about putting info out there.

You get with what I use or you don't..bottom line. I do NOT want pharma drugs in my life if I can find alternatives and PREVENTION.

You just spread lies, though. The whole central purpose of this forum is to debunk lies and follow proper evidence. People here don't rip your posts apart because they're not "flowery," but rather because they are full of dangerous, unscientific nonsense.

I expect that your threads about coronavirus misinformation yielded even harsher responses than this type of generic grape-seed woo, and that would be because you're smugly posting lies that have killed people and continue to kill them. That is offensive.

bruto · 8th March 2021, 09:57 AM

Like many here, I've known a few people who were fit and healthy and took their vitamins and all that, and still got cancer and died. Having a healthy immune system may well help you survive an illness, but it doesn't mean you won't get it.

Caroline, whether or not you are an opponent of numbers, I suggest you look into the fallacy known as "survivor syndrome." Your anecdotal report that you don't have any of these diseases is epidemiologically worthless. That you're one of the great majority who don't get those diseases is an observation of no value. What's important is the circumstances of those who do. Your crowing about your wonderful health, even it if is entirely true, has no more merit than that of the person refusing to wear seat belts because he hasn't died yet.

Thermal · 8th March 2021, 10:02 AM

Contrariwise, my father is 79 and lived on mostly cigarettes and alcohol, with other drugs for flavor, and is still kicking around cancer free. Data trumps anecdotes, as always.

sackett · 8th March 2021, 10:02 AM

Caroline, Norman Alexander and I both promise not to bring any guns to your house.

Can we bring our tomahawks?

7th March 2021, 03:13 PM	#1
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	4 Cancer Models and Grape Seed Extract Skin, Breast, Prostate and Colorectal All these and now probably more are worked on in cancer research clinics with grape seed extract...Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering, Univ of Maryland and how many more I don't know https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728696/ Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies... Hope you all have some fun with this topic on cancers.
	Last edited by Caroline13; 7th March 2021 at 03:20 PM.

7th March 2021, 04:05 PM	#4
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 14,116	Originally Posted by Caroline13 ..Drink Up.... SAY NO MORE, BABY!!! Seriously, say no more.
	__________________ We find comfort among those who agree with us, growth among those who don't -Frank A. Clark Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -Mark Twain

7th March 2021, 04:10 PM	#5
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Usk, Wales Posts: 26,560	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies... Have you had a 'poo test' to see whether a colonoscopy is indicated? If not, perhaps you should.
	__________________ "Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 9/11 truth is a clock with no hands." - Beachnut

7th March 2021, 04:44 PM	#6
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,110	Why do you keep opening new threads and running away from questions people ask in your other threads?
	__________________ Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor they call me a saint, when I ask why the poor have no food they call me a communist - Hélder Câmara

7th March 2021, 05:11 PM	#7
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	The Power is in the SEEDS of the Grape. https://www.lanzaloe.com/en/blog/el-...as-de-uva.html Good info on the power of the SEEDS of the Grape. I've used some oils for cooking and salads but no longer do that. Mark, I reply where I feel it will be accepted otherwise the members can either take the info I post or leave it. I've told my history on the use of the Grape SEEDS and what else is there...they can do their work if they have an interest, and MOST don't. And furthermore, if someone here believes this info and wants to take these SEEDS in pulverized form in a capsule, they will as everyone is adult here I believe.
	Last edited by Caroline13; 7th March 2021 at 05:26 PM.

7th March 2021, 03:50 PM	#2
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 14,116	Wine is kind of a grape seed extract, isn't it? Takeaway should be to drink a lot of wine, like parking lot wino quantities. Cancer proof and lit up like a Christmas tree. To your health!
	__________________ We find comfort among those who agree with us, growth among those who don't -Frank A. Clark Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -Mark Twain

7th March 2021, 03:59 PM	#3
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	Wine is made from the Grapes, and I did my share of wines in my life, but choose no alcohol anymore...Drink Up....

7th March 2021, 05:13 PM	#8
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	Originally Posted by GlennB Have you had a 'poo test' to see whether a colonoscopy is indicated? If not, perhaps you should. No, was close to having one 20 yrs ago and did not, I trust I am FINE. Positive thinking, positive outcomes..

7th March 2021, 05:20 PM	#9
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,110	Originally Posted by Caroline13 The Power is in the SEEDS of the Grape. https://www.lanzaloe.com/en/blog/el-...as-de-uva.html Good info on the power of the SEEDS of the Grape. I've used some oils for cooking and salads but no longer do that. Mark, I reply where I feel it will be accepted otherwise the members can either take the info I post or leave it. I've told my history on the use of the Grape SEEDS and what else is there...they can do their work if they have an interest, and MOST don't. We want you to address criticism of your, and I'm being charitable here, arguments. We would absolutely love for there to be a cheap alternative to expensive medications that works, people would be so happy to know that health was at their fingertips! The problem is we do not just accept your claims because we would like them to be true. We might like fairies to exist as well, but someone simply announcing that they do is not going to impress anyone but the most gullible. We require evidence, not anecdotes and not assertions. Quite frankly your posting style is highly offensive. You ignore counter arguments and get pissy when people won't just take your word for your wild claims. What would you do if someone announced to you that they had a dragon in their garage, would you just accept their say so? I doubt you would. In fact, I think you would ask for evidence of this dragon, and would not be satisfied if all they did was repeat the same claim over and over again. I imagine you would be indignant if they started to tell you that you were clearly stupid for not accepting their garage dragon. I imagine that you would find it highly offensive if they continually insisted to you that your lack of belief in dragons was evidence of your stupidity, and accused you of being brainwashed for following the "non-dragon orthodoxy". So why is any of this behaviour acceptable when you do it?
	__________________ Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor they call me a saint, when I ask why the poor have no food they call me a communist - Hélder Câmara

7th March 2021, 05:27 PM	#10
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Usk, Wales Posts: 26,560	Originally Posted by Caroline13 No, was close to having one 20 yrs ago and did not, I trust I am FINE. Positive thinking, positive outcomes.. Ah, so you seem to be saying that positive thinking will prevent benign polyps from becoming malignant. OK
	__________________ "Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 9/11 truth is a clock with no hands." - Beachnut

7th March 2021, 05:30 PM	#11
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	Me offensive, so many here have been very offensive to me and attack everything I post, it's me against this whole forum. I am to the point and no flowery stuff, and that's what I like about putting info out there. You get with what I use or you don't..bottom line. I do NOT want pharma drugs in my life if I can find alternatives and PREVENTION.

7th March 2021, 05:31 PM	#12
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	Originally Posted by GlennB Ah, so you seem to be saying that positive thinking will prevent benign polyps from becoming malignant. OK Positive thinking can go a long way.

7th March 2021, 05:34 PM	#13
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	And Mark read the links I post from the science people, I don't make that info up. And who wants to hear the "C" dx from a doc? Not me. And if there is a supplement that MAY prevent these words, why not, cheap cheap insurance. And as I believe I mentioned 25 yrs ago at a lecture when Grape Seed Ex was coming into the U.S. from France, the panel of docs and researchers said to t he audience "May Prevent Cancers".... the very main reason I jumped on it at age 57, and the first thing to go was a lifetime of allergy issues...
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7th March 2021, 05:42 PM	#14
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,110	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Me offensive, Yes, exceptionally so. You have outright told me that I am either stupid or lying regarding the person I know who died from Covid, to give just one example. Further, your literal mocking refusal to even acknowledge the points people raise against you is highly offensive. You have literally stated that you won't listen to people. I can think of little more offensive, particularly on a sceptics forum, than preaching. Originally Posted by Caroline13 so many here have been very offensive to me and attack everything I post, Because you are telling people that their illness is their own fault. You are victim blaming and preaching, nothing more. You obviously cannot deal with the arguments people are bringing up against you and therefore clearly know on some level that your beliefs are rubbish and you're pushing them anyway. Originally Posted by Caroline13 it's me against this whole forum. If you were to address arguments rather than endlessly preach your rubbish at us, people might treat you with more respect. As it is, you are engendering no respect because you refuse to show any. Originally Posted by Caroline13 I am to the point and no flowery stuff, and that's what I like about putting info out there. But you refuse to answer questions. You are not "to the point" you are metaphorically shouting at people on the street holding a sign. You are no different from street preachers denouncing the world as full of sin and saying the end is nigh. Originally Posted by Caroline13 You get with what I use or you don't..bottom line. I do NOT want pharma drugs in my life if I can find alternatives and PREVENTION. Which is fine, but no one will accept your claims without evidence.
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7th March 2021, 05:48 PM	#15
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan Yes, exceptionally so. You have outright told me that I am either stupid or lying regarding the person I know who died from Covid, to give just one example. Further, your literal mocking refusal to even acknowledge the points people raise against you is highly offensive. You have literally stated that you won't listen to people. I can think of little more offensive, particularly on a sceptics forum, than preaching. Because you are telling people that their illness is their own fault. You are victim blaming and preaching, nothing more. You obviously cannot deal with the arguments people are bringing up against you and therefore clearly know on some level that your beliefs are rubbish and you're pushing them anyway. If you were to address arguments rather than endlessly preach your rubbish at us, people might treat you with more respect. As it is, you are engendering no respect because you refuse to show any. But you refuse to answer questions. You are not "to the point" you are metaphorically shouting at people on the street holding a sign. You are no different from street preachers denouncing the world as full of sin and saying the end is nigh. Which is fine, but no one will accept your claims without evidence. Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief. But if you come Mark, leave your gun at home, none are allowed in my house... What do you want to hear from me, I love all you, you are all so receptive of me blah blah...just occurred to me that maybe I'm one of the first around this skeptics group or maybe not, I don't know how long it's been around. And yes I could not resist the gun remark as I'm very anti gun. And Mark's avatar is clearly showing a gun, those avatars tell a lot about a person I've learned...they are kinda foreign in my life.
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7th March 2021, 05:50 PM	#16
JesseCuster Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,243	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief. You seem to be always in an antagonistic mood. Perhaps there's a cocktail of alternative medications you can take for that.

7th March 2021, 05:52 PM	#17
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,110	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief. No, not evidence that you don't use medicine, evidence that the stuff you are shilling actually works. Again, if I claim that I have a dragon in my garage, would you believe me or would you want evidence? We all believe that you take the multitude of worthless crap you shill, (well, apart from those who think you're a troll) we just don't believe it is efficacious. Show that it works, don't just keep claiming it does. Deal with people who provide counter arguments, don't just ignore them and make a new thread. Actually stick by your guns and back up your claims. We have people on this board who diverge from the majority view, but there have been people who did so that gained respect by actually addressing claims and supporting their arguments. People who just insist that they are the smartest person in the room rarely get respect.
	__________________ Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor they call me a saint, when I ask why the poor have no food they call me a communist - Hélder Câmara

7th March 2021, 05:53 PM	#18
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,110	What gun? I'm in the UK. I've never even held a gun, unless you count my airsoft bb guns. Why do you assume everyone is American?
	__________________ Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor they call me a saint, when I ask why the poor have no food they call me a communist - Hélder Câmara

7th March 2021, 05:55 PM	#19
JesseCuster Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,243	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be...do you all want to visit me and view me and see no pharma drugs around my house???? Good Grief. In a previous post you said that pharma drugs "saved you" from your thyroid related depressive symptoms and now you're back to ranting against pharma drugs and how you've none around the house? Also, didn't you say you take ibuprofen for arthritis or something? You're all over the place. Again.

7th March 2021, 07:07 PM	#20
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 557	Oh as usual I'm done here for some time, it's all nonsense from you people and what you are asking for...this thread is about cancer prevention and leave it at that... You people make my info go all over the place. I want to bring cancer prevention info and now we're at thryoid, ibuprofen, arthritis and what else I quit.
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7th March 2021, 07:41 PM	#21
p0lka Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: near trees, houses and a lake. Posts: 2,268	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Skin, Breast, Prostate and Colorectal All these and now probably more are worked on in cancer research clinics with grape seed extract...Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering, Univ of Maryland and how many more I don't know https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728696/ Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies... Hope you all have some fun with this topic on cancers. If you read the notes, which anyone should do with any paper.. this is note 1, "Published in a supplement to The Journal of Nutrition. Presented at the conference “Grape Health Workshop,” held in San Francisco, CA, December 2–3, 2008. The supplement coordinator for this supplement is John M. Pezzuto, University of Hawaii at Hilo. Publication costs for this supplement were defrayed in part by the payment of page charges. This publication must therefore be hereby marked “advertisement” in accordance with 18 USC section 1734 solely to indicate this fact. The conference was organized by the National Grape and Wine Initiative (NGWI) (its contents are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official views of NGWI)"

7th March 2021, 11:42 PM	#22
threadworm Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,644	By all means don't bother having preventative checks. By all means don't bother getting any treatments that are proven to save lives. I mean, if you close your eyes and wish very hard you might not get cancer. Closing your eyes and wishing very hard might not be what does it though, so good luck with the whole dying horribly and painfully thing.
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8th March 2021, 02:09 AM	#23
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 17,264	More spamming of the forum with Caroline's Woo woo BS.
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8th March 2021, 03:51 AM	#24
TheSupermeerkat Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,049	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Skin, Breast, Prostate and Colorectal All these and now probably more are worked on in cancer research clinics with grape seed extract...Mayo, City of Hope, Sloan Kettering, Univ of Maryland and how many more I don't know https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728696/ Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies... Hope you all have some fun with this topic on cancers. You still haven't answered my multiple questions in multiple threads about why you can't get your age right. It's almost like your pretending, but that can't be right. Also, this thread you started is bollocks, like every other thread you have started.

8th March 2021, 04:50 AM	#25
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 9,232	What's that word for someone repeatedly starting new threads about the same subject (what, grape seeds AGAIN??!) over and over and over, every time without any explanation or discussion, just huffing and running away before the end of page 1. Posts about stuff they apparently sell in their own business. As though they were trying to get free Google hits via our forum. I'm SURE there's a word for it...it's right on the tip of my tongue...rhymes with scroll... Darn it, what is it! Anyway, if it happens again, I will be doing some reporting. Haven't done that in a long time. Would be good to flex that muscle again.
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8th March 2021, 05:15 AM	#26
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,008	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies. And? You need to understand that the lack of examination doesn't mean that you are cancer free. That's like saying, "this old school building is safe for use by the Children's Theater because we've never even checked for asbestos".
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8th March 2021, 05:18 AM	#27
RolandRat Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 1,019	https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/...and-drinks.php "#2: Fruit Juice (Grape) Fluoride per Cup 349.1μg (9% AI) Fluoride per 100g 138μg (3% AI) Fluoride per 200 Calories 460μg (11% AI)" Uh oh.

8th March 2021, 05:31 AM	#28
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 9,232	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Personally I've done 2 mams in my life and NO colonoscopies... I've had zero mammograms and one colonoscopy in my life. Turns out I'm pretty healthy too. Originally Posted by Caroline13 No, was close to having one 20 yrs ago and did not, I trust I am FINE. Positive thinking, positive outcomes.. Oh dear. You're not trying to shill The Secret^TM as well, are you?
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

8th March 2021, 05:31 AM	#29
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 931	Originally Posted by p0lka If you read the notes, which anyone should do with any paper.. this is note 1, "Published in a supplement to The Journal of Nutrition. Presented at the conference “Grape Health Workshop,” held in San Francisco, CA, December 2–3, 2008. The supplement coordinator for this supplement is John M. Pezzuto, University of Hawaii at Hilo. Publication costs for this supplement were defrayed in part by the payment of page charges. This publication must therefore be hereby marked “advertisement” in accordance with 18 USC section 1734 solely to indicate this fact. The conference was organized by the National Grape and Wine Initiative (NGWI) (its contents are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official views of NGWI)" Not only that, but the paper itself (still open in another tab just over there ---->, so I did go look, Caroline) is highly speculative and uses predominantly rodent or in vitro studies, like pretty much everything I've seen purporting to demonstrate that anti-oxidants have anti-carcinogenic properties. When these things are shown to have some consistent effects in yer actual human tissues it will become really interesting, but rodent and in vitro studies just put it in the large pile of "Mmmmm, must look into that a bit more some time" ideas. Next?
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8th March 2021, 05:40 AM	#30
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 931	Originally Posted by Caroline13 You people make my info go all over the place. No, quite the opposite: several times now I have followed links you gave or done a search based on something you claimed, only to find that the link does not say what you claim or that the search does not produce results that support your claims, even when you mentined specific American hospitals which made a search easier. And then I have pointed this out, including links to specific papers or hospital websites. Other people have done similar things. It is precisely because we have taken your claims seriously and followed the links or done relevant searches that we now know how much credence to put in your "info". Not to mention all the ignored requests for sources for this "info" so any one could go and verify what you say (still waiting for the "science" which supports homeopathy, which would make very interesting reading).

8th March 2021, 05:44 AM	#31
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 9,232	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King No, quite the opposite: several times now I have followed links you gave or done a search based on something you claimed, only to find that the link does not say what you claim or that the search does not produce results that support your claims, even when you mentined specific American hospitals which made a search easier. And then I have pointed this out, including links to specific papers or hospital websites. Other people have done similar things. It is precisely because we have taken your claims seriously and followed the links or done relevant searches that we now know how much credence to put in your "info". Not to mention all the ignored requests for sources for this "info" so any one could go and verify what you say (still waiting for the "science" which supports homeopathy, which would make very interesting reading). Indeed. We have even quoted some of the linked articles. Which says we have wasted valuable time and effort reading them.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

8th March 2021, 06:48 AM	#32
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,374	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Positive thinking, positive outcomes.. Only if you believe that thoughts are magic.
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8th March 2021, 06:50 AM	#33
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,374	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Positive thinking can go a long way. It can help in making decisions, but it won't make your problems go away. Quote: Laugh laugh laugh, evidence...How can that be... See, we've got this little thing called science. Went to the moon, made the smartphone with it. Quote: Oh as usual I'm done here for some time, Translation: "I'm going to run away from the discussion I started, again."
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8th March 2021, 06:51 AM	#34
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 931	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander What's that word for someone repeatedly starting new threads about the same subject (what, grape seeds AGAIN??!) over and over and over, every time without any explanation or discussion, just huffing and running away before the end of page 1. Posts about stuff they apparently sell in their own business. As though they were trying to get free Google hits via our forum. I'm SURE there's a word for it...it's right on the tip of my tongue...rhymes with scroll... Darn it, what is it! Anyway, if it happens again, I will be doing some reporting. Haven't done that in a long time. Would be good to flex that muscle again. There's another word for someone who consistently promotes things which they also sell - rhymes with "pill", IIRC.

8th March 2021, 06:54 AM	#35
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 931	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Positive thinking, positive outcomes.. And still with the standard alt med/wooster victim blaming... Can you supply any evidence to support that particular claim? Preferably without any further victim blaming.
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