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Old 1st December 2020, 04:06 PM   #3041
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
trump retweeting covid conspiracy threads about empty hospitals in Nevada.
People are saying he's become downright repulsive. Like turning over a rock and finding a creepy-crawly. But it really is disgraceful. And forces his supporters to defend this **** which might be worst of all.
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President Donald Trump today retweeted a false claim about Renown’s parking garage, which has been converted into a care site for COVID-19 patients. A Twitter account for an anonymously authored Las Vegas website tweeted, “Here is the fake Nevada parking garage hospital picture that our moron governor tweeted, proving it’s all a scam.”

Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak fired back in response: “For nearly nine months, the State of Nevada has not only had to battle this pandemic, we have had to fight the President’s nonstop attempts to politicize a virus that has led to over 260,000 American deaths.” Renown officials said 42 patients are currently being cared for inside of the parking garage hospital structure. from this is reno dot com
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Old 1st December 2020, 04:15 PM   #3042
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trump retweeting covid conspiracy threads about empty hospitals in Nevada.
Absolutely maddening the crap that this garbage wrapped in skin spews. As the Nevada governor said this afternoon, these are real people trump is slandering, people who are suffering, some dying. They deserve a LOT better than this.

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In its Nov. 24 report, the Nevada Hospital Association noted: “Nevada continues the upward trajectory in COVID-19 cases. In the south, cases continue to climb but, the healthcare infrastructure has enough elasticity to absorb the increased cases for the time being.” Southern Nevada has experienced a 275% increase in confirmed hospitalized cases over the past 30 days.

“The healthcare infrastructure is now showing signs of serious strain in the northern region. Patients are being treated within alternative care sites, hospitals are functioning under crisis standards of care and some intensive care level patients from rural communities are being transferred to hospitals in Idaho, Utah, California, or Arizona for definitive treatment. The north has experienced more than a 250% increase in confirmed hospitalized cases over the past 30 days,” NHA stated in its most recent report. CBS affiliate in Las Vegas
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Old 1st December 2020, 04:48 PM   #3043
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But total gloom and despair are so edgy and cool...
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Old 1st December 2020, 06:48 PM   #3044
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14,108,490
Deaths:
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New Cases:
182,172
New Deaths:
2,611

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Old 1st December 2020, 09:44 PM   #3045
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
People are saying he's become downright repulsive. Like turning over a rock and finding a creepy-crawly. But it really is disgraceful. And forces his supporters to defend this **** which might be worst of all.
What's worst of all is that his supporters defend it.

No one is forcing them to do so.
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Old 1st December 2020, 10:41 PM   #3046
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
What's worst of all is that his supporters defend it.

No one is forcing them to do so.
That post Trump retweeted had pages of people commenting on how true it was.

During the first wave here in the Seattle area there was a discussion on Nextdoor where some woman claimed she knew a health care worker who told her (it's always second hand) their hospital was only 15% full. This was at the time my DIL who is a surgical tech working at Swedish Hospital (big hospital) in Seattle had to help coordinate turning some of the OR suites into ICU beds.

People just make this stuff up.

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Old 2nd December 2020, 05:11 AM   #3047
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
What's worst of all is that his supporters defend it. No one is forcing them to do so.
Leadership is real, it works. In the article I quoted from This is Reno, Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak said: "For nearly nine months, the State of Nevada has...had to fight the President’s nonstop attempts to politicize a virus...” trump's rhetoric has had a huge effect. Left to their own devices most of trump's supporters would not have come up with half the stuff trump has blabbered about. Saying that his supporters are responsible for what they say, what they think, is true but naive in this instance. Group think is at work. Peer pressure plays a part. trump knows, if he says it they'll believe it. Or at least say they do. It's what makes people like trump so dangerous.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:03 PM   #3048
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I don't understand what is wrong with people. I just watched the opening minute or so of the Wood/Powell press conference in Atlanta.

The crowd is stuffed together in what looks to be a hangar with zero distancing and no masks at all that I could see. Do people want to die?

It's not just the U.S. We have morons in Canada gathering in crowds to fight for their right to buy a bbq sandwich in Toronto.

Idiots. Idiots. Idiots.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 04:13 PM   #3049
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Kayleigh McEnany called it the "Trump vaccine".
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Old 2nd December 2020, 04:21 PM   #3050
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Kayleigh McEnany called it the "Trump vaccine".
If only we could be vaccinated from Trump.

All of them.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 04:39 PM   #3051
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Kayleigh McEnany called it the "Trump vaccine".
I fully expect Trump to try to have his signature on the handout sheet that you get when vaccinated.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 04:50 PM   #3052
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Kayleigh McEnany called it the "Trump vaccine".
Well, she also claimed that Trump was the first President to hang that big red ribbon in front of the White House in honor of World AIDS Day (link to Politico via MSN):

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“The president honored World AIDS Day yesterday in a way that no president has before, with the red ribbon there, and I think he commemorated the day as he should have,” McEnany told reporters during a press briefing.

The ribbon was first hung in 2007 under former President George W. Bush and has become an annual feature in the years since, including under both Presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump. The idea was the brainchild of Steven Levine, a member of the Bush communications shop, who is gay.
McNinny is the perfect Press Secretary for Trump, just as much a dumbass as he is, and apparently just makes it all up as she goes along. She once said to the Press Corps that she would never lie to them; she never said that she would always (or even ever) know what the hell she was talking about.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 07:09 PM   #3053
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Deaths:
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New Deaths:
2,831
Nearly 3000 dead today and that . . . Kayleigh McEnany person is not only suggesting WH holiday parties are safe, but decided to call COVID-19 vaccine the Trump vaccine. These people, who are directly responsible for the horrid numbers above, do not care about anyone or anything but themselves.

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Old 2nd December 2020, 07:15 PM   #3054
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...Basically, the White House coronavirus task force is calling for significant behavioral changes, like masks and social distancing, to cut down the virus spread, and saying that in many parts of the country, it just isn't happening...Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems that the tone of this statement is both more realistic and more blunt than previous statements, as if the team may feel more free to speak than they used to be.
Sounds like you were right. As proof, a news story published yesterday, December 1st, in the Texas Tribune quotes a White House Coronavirus Task Force (issued November 22nd but not made public until yesterday) that urges Texas to be more proactive in battling what the White House Task Force calls a "full resurgence" of the virus in Texas.
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Texas must ramp up efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus as the state experiences a “full resurgence” of COVID-19 infections, according to White House guidelines. Texas is seeing an “unsustainable increase in hospitalizations” from the virus and “statewide mitigation must increase,” according to a White House Coronavirus Task Force report dated Nov. 22. The report was obtained and published by the Center for Public Integrity. Among the task force’s recommendations: Officials in Texas should significantly reduce capacity in indoor spaces, including those that are privately owned. And state leaders should further increase the number of people being tested for the virus. Link to Texas Tribune
The state began reopening on May 1, despite there having been no steady decline in cases, as per the (never enforced) White House guidelines, and despite the urging of public health officials to be more patient and prudent. Case numbers flattened a bit in May, began slowly rising in mid-June. They leveled off in mid-August through early October and then began rising again.

Back in April Texas lt. governor Dan Patrick urged the state to reopen because the death toll was only around 500.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 07:18 PM   #3055
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Well, she also claimed that Trump was the first President to hang that big red ribbon in front of the White House in honor of World AIDS Day (link to Politico via MSN):



McNinny is the perfect Press Secretary for Trump, just as much a dumbass as he is, and apparently just makes it all up as she goes along. She once said to the Press Corps that she would never lie to them; she never said that she would always (or even ever) know what the hell she was talking about.
They're also bloody stupid. Two, maybe 3 or more super-spreader events in that crowd, recently, and the events were deemed 'safe'.

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Old 3rd December 2020, 12:41 AM   #3056
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.....
McNinny is the perfect Press Secretary for Trump,
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She might be a walking argument against credentialism. She attended Georgetown, Oxford and Harvard Law. Her resume would have opened a lot of doors everywhere. She apparently is a true Trump believer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayleigh_McEnany
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She might be a walking argument against credentialism. She attended Georgetown, Oxford and Harvard Law. Her resume would have opened a lot of doors everywhere. She apparently is a true Trump believer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayleigh_McEnany
I'm not too sure about true believer. From the Wikipedia link -

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She supported Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.[9][10][11] However, in early 2015, before becoming a Trump supporter, McEnany was highly critical of him, declaring on CNN and Fox Business that "Donald Trump has shown himself to be a showman" and it was "unfortunate" and "inauthentic" to call him a Republican. McEnany called his comments about Mexican immigrants "racist".[12] She began supporting Trump after receiving advice over cocktails from Michael Marcantonio, a fellow summer associate at a law firm and a Democrat. He told her that "Donald Trump is going to be your nominee," and if "a smart, young, blond Harvard graduate" wanted "to get on television and have a career as a political pundit, you would be wise to be an early backer." According to The Guardian, she took this advice.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 06:26 AM   #3058
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I just had an update on my investments with my financial advisor. We got to discussing the Covid and he started spouting the (wrong) talking points that have been espoused by the White House and Fox, OANN, et. al. I had a very hard time not admonishing and correcting him because who wants to piss off the person who has control of all your money?
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Old 3rd December 2020, 09:01 AM   #3059
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I just had an update on my investments with my financial advisor. We got to discussing the Covid and he started spouting the (wrong) talking points that have been espoused by the White House and Fox, OANN, et. al. I had a very hard time not admonishing and correcting him because who wants to piss off the person who has control of all your money?

If he's so off the wall, why does he have control of all your money? How much are you paying him? It's not like responsible financial advisors are hard to find.

And there seems to be a broad consensus that low-cost index funds usually do better than managed funds anyway, particularly after deducting the fees. Some people would suggest paying a flat fee to an advisor to develop a plan that you could execute and manage for yourself.

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I'm not too sure about true believer. From the Wikipedia link -
Yeah, I got that, but she made a choice years ago that Trump was the horse to ride, and she sure seems to have bought the Koolaid. She could represent him effectively without being so combatively crazy.

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Yeah, I got that, but she made a choice years ago that Trump was the horse to ride, and she sure seems to have bought the Koolaid. She could represent him effectively without being so combatively crazy.
Well, her audience of one is certainly combatively crazy.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I just had an update on my investments with my financial advisor. We got to discussing the Covid and he started spouting the (wrong) talking points that have been espoused by the White House and Fox, OANN, et. al. I had a very hard time not admonishing and correcting him because who wants to piss off the person who has control of all your money?
I'd be looking for another financial advisor.
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Yesterday, the US passed 3000 deaths from Covid19 in a single day, and it looks to keep rising...

The nation's one-day toll of coronavirus deaths surpassed 3,000 for the first time Wednesday, a number perhaps inflated by fatalities reported days late because of the Thanksgiving holiday but still reflective of a pandemic racing out of control.

The death toll of 3,157 came as hospitalizations surpassed 100,000 for the first time. The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted the U.S. could reach 450,000 deaths by February.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...na/3795997001/

That's a 9/11 every day!
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If he's so off the wall, why does he have control of all your money? How much are you paying him? It's not like responsible financial advisors are hard to find.

And there seems to be a broad consensus that low-cost index funds usually do better than managed funds anyway, particularly after deducting the fees. Some people would suggest paying a flat fee to an advisor to develop a plan that you could execute and manage for yourself.
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I'd be looking for another financial advisor.
I've made $30,000 (US) on my investments since September. He's been my financial advisor since 1994, and a good friend since longer than that. I can overlook a little willful ignorance.

However, I don't think that he's been following proper isolation procedures so there's no chance of meeting face-to-face for quite some time.
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Also posted in Coronavirus and Faith thread.
Ooops, they did it again.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a blow to California Governor Gavin Newsom’s pandemic-related ban on indoor religious services, siding with a church that defied the policy and challenged it as unconstitutional religious discrimination.

The decision followed a similar action by the justices on Nov. 25 that backed Christian and Jewish houses of worship that challenged New York state restrictions in coronavirus hot spots.

The justices, with no noted dissents, set aside a lower court ruling that rejected a challenge to Newsom’s policy by Harvest Rock Church Inc, which has several campuses in the state, and Harvest International Ministries Inc, an association of churches. Both are based in Pasadena, a city in Los Angeles County.
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I think this is a terrible idea:

Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work

Just awful on so many levels. People shouldn't need to be bribed to get this vaccine. Offer it for free by all means, but don't make getting a stimulus check contingent on getting the vaccine.
That sends a bad message for one thing.
For another, if a stimulus is needed, people who need it probably cannot wait until the vaccine becomes available to everyone.
For another thing, it could actually backfire and make people more reluctant to get vaccinated than they already are. Once people get it in their heads that there might be profit in refusing to get vaccinated, they may just wait and see if a bribe will become available before getting vaccinated.

I think I'm for a stimulus of some sort, just not linking it to getting vaccinated. Because it would set a terrible precedent, and might well backfire. The vaccine (the immunity it confers) is its own reward.
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There is an argument to be made to prioritize vaccination for the most reckless super-spreader types, in effect rewarding those who ignore safety precautions.
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Yesterday, the US passed 3000 deaths from Covid19 in a single day, and it looks to keep rising...

The nation's one-day toll of coronavirus deaths surpassed 3,000 for the first time Wednesday, a number perhaps inflated by fatalities reported days late because of the Thanksgiving holiday but still reflective of a pandemic racing out of control.

The death toll of 3,157 came as hospitalizations surpassed 100,000 for the first time. The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted the U.S. could reach 450,000 deaths by February.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...na/3795997001/

That's a 9/11 every day!
We will be lucky if it does not become Antietam every day.
September 17, 1862, was the bloodiest day in US History. 3500 people died at the battle of Antietam. (one action of that battle is the opening scenes of the Civil War epic "Glory")If things keep on going the way they are, we will exceed that daily death toll.
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There is an argument to be made to prioritize vaccination for the most reckless super-spreader types, in effect rewarding those who ignore safety precautions.
Not practical in the real world. How would you even identify them? Plus, the most reckless are probably also the most likely to have already had it, in which case the vaccine would be redundant. You need to vaccinate those who don't yet have immunity.
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California may be the first state to resume a non-essential business shutdown and stay-at-home orders. From NPR this afternoon:
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California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Thursday announced most of the state will come under a stricter set of limitations as intensive care units reach near-capacity levels with the latest surge in coronavirus cases. Regional stay-at-home orders will likely go into effect "in the next day or two" in places with less than 15% ICU availability, Newsom explained in a daily briefing with reporters. Once it is triggered, the order will remain in effect for at least three weeks and will only be lifted when ICU capacity becomes more available. "The bottom line is, if we don't act now, our hospital system will be overwhelmed," Newsom said. "If we don't act now, we'll continue to see our death rate climb, more lives lost."

Personal service businesses, including hair and nail salons will be required to close. Retail stores will be allowed to remain open but must limit customer capacity to 20% at any given time. Restaurants, which had been allowed to serve in-person dining, must return to takeout only. NPR link
New cases began to surge in late October and have reached all-time high levels.
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Coronavirus Cases:
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Deaths:
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New Cases:
218,576
New Deaths:
2,918
Do 200,000 plus cases and nearly 3000 deaths shock anymore? Surely the president will weigh in on this disaster . . . .
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Old 3rd December 2020, 07:43 PM   #3072
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
She might be a walking argument against credentialism. She attended Georgetown, Oxford and Harvard Law. Her resume would have opened a lot of doors everywhere. She apparently is a true Trump believer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayleigh_McEnany
Not necessarily. She could just be someone willing to sell her soul for power, attention, and influence. Lord knows there are plenty of people like that.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 07:45 PM   #3073
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
We will be lucky if it does not become Antietam every day.
September 17, 1862, was the bloodiest day in US History. 3500 people died at the battle of Antietam. (one action of that battle is the opening scenes of the Civil War epic "Glory")If things keep on going the way they are, we will exceed that daily death toll.
I remember taking my 8th grade history class to see that movie as a field trip when we were studying the Civil War.
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Obama, Clinton and Bush vow they'll take a vaccine in public to demonstrate their trust of the science; Trump spews a conspiracy-filled, fact-bereft infomercial, airing his election grievances.

Who's the leader here? Hmmm . . .
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Old 3rd December 2020, 07:59 PM   #3075
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Obama, Clinton and Bush vow they'll take a vaccine in public to demonstrate their trust of the science; Trump spews a conspiracy-filled, fact-bereft infomercial, airing his election grievances.

Who's the leader here? Hmmm . . .
Biden said he'd take the vaccine back in Oct. as long as the body of science said it was safe.

"The point is that if the scientists, if the body of scientists say that this is what is ready to be done and it's been tested, they've gone through the three phases, yes, I would take it and I'd encourage people to take it."
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Not practical in the real world. How would you even identify them? Plus, the most reckless are probably also the most likely to have already had it, in which case the vaccine would be redundant. You need to vaccinate those who don't yet have immunity.
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"Do you regularly speak to large crowds of people in enclosed spaces?"
"Do you, more than once a day, stagger drunkenly through the streets, spouting conspiracy theories and demanding money from strangers?"
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Old 4th December 2020, 01:25 AM   #3077
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I've made $30,000 (US) on my investments since September. He's been my financial advisor since 1994, and a good friend since longer than that. I can overlook a little willful ignorance.
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You don't really know what that means without a comparison. For example, the S&P index rose by almost 13% from Sept. to Dec. And what does he take in fees? If you put the money in Vanguard funds yourself your fees would be zero.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/spx

The guy might be great. But the issue is that if the guy is so unhinged from reality, it raises questions about the basis for his financial decisions.
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Old 4th December 2020, 05:51 AM   #3078
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Do 200,000 plus cases and nearly 3000 deaths shock anymore? Surely the president will weigh in on this disaster . . . .
It's the new normal and it's obvious, trump could care less.
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Old 4th December 2020, 06:19 AM   #3079
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You don't really know what that means without a comparison. For example, the S&P index rose by almost 13% from Sept. to Dec. And what does he take in fees? If you put the money in Vanguard funds yourself your fees would be zero.
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/spx

The guy might be great. But the issue is that if the guy is so unhinged from reality, it raises questions about the basis for his financial decisions.
You don't get it, he has a system!
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Old 4th December 2020, 06:36 PM   #3080
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Coronavirus Cases:
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Deaths:
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New Cases:
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New Deaths:
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