IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Reply
Old 20th January 2017, 01:04 PM   #1
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,153
Okay Trumpublicans, it's time to put up or shut up.

Congratulations, Trump is finally sworn in as President. It's been a tumultuous year leading up to this, but you've finally gotten what you've been saying you wanted for the last 8 years: Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and will in short order control the Supreme Court as well.

There's literally no one who can stop you from carrying out any legislative agenda that you want.

You've spent 8 years declaring everything and everyone a "disaster". Obama was a disaster, The Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, NAFTA and other trade programs are a disaster, foreign relations are a disaster, Hillary Clinton was a disaster, the ACA is a disaster. And you've spent the months since the election rubbing everyone else's noses in how big a win you got, and how Trump is going to Make America Great Again.

Okay, fine, you won, you deserved a bit of gloating.

But now it's time to do the work.

You've been claiming for years to know the secret to how to run the US, and the rest of the world, such that it won't be a "disaster". Well, now it's time to stop with the gloating, and put your money where you mouth is. You can't blame Obama, or Hillary, or the Democrats, or the libtards, or any else, any more, because you've won it all. Success or failure now falls entirely on you, your elected officials, and your philosophy.

So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:17 PM   #2
sunmaster14
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 10,017
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.
sunmaster14 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:19 PM   #3
NoahFence
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Patriot Nation
Posts: 22,131
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.
Blaming him for what, exactly?
NoahFence is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:21 PM   #4
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 14,875
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.
Wrong.

You can blame him for how things are now, but Trump can change everything from day 1, as he said.
If he doesn't change things for the better, that's on him and the GOP.
__________________
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:23 PM   #5
Spindrift
Time Person of the Year, 2006
 
Spindrift's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Right here!
Posts: 19,246
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.
Sorry, Trump said he would Make America Great. He's already picked out his 2020 slogan "Keep America Great".

So no excuses. You've got the House and Senate. Let's have at it. I expect some results.

What's first? I believe Trump promised a new trade agreement with the UK in a couple weeks. We'll give them the weekend off. I expect to see something signed, sealed and delivered by February 6th.
__________________
I've always believed that cluelessness evolved as an adaptation to allow the truly appalling to live with themselves. - G. B. Trudeau
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. - Kay, Men in Black.
Enjoy every sandwich. - Warren Zevon
Spindrift is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:25 PM   #6
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 50,639
Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Blaming him for what, exactly?
Two things that come to mind are:

Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Causing the rise of ISIS.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:27 PM   #7
Spindrift
Time Person of the Year, 2006
 
Spindrift's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Right here!
Posts: 19,246
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Two things that come to mind are:

Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Causing the rise of ISIS.
Well if the shoe fits.

Are you denying that Bush didn't sign the agreement that forced the US to pull out?
And if Bush hadn't decided he needed a war just like daddy, that ISIS wouldn't have arisen.
__________________
I've always believed that cluelessness evolved as an adaptation to allow the truly appalling to live with themselves. - G. B. Trudeau
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. - Kay, Men in Black.
Enjoy every sandwich. - Warren Zevon
Spindrift is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:28 PM   #8
NoahFence
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Patriot Nation
Posts: 22,131
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Two things that come to mind are:

Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Causing the rise of ISIS.
Well, the first one WAS Bush's fault, as you well ignore know.

The SOFA was signed by Bush, and agreed to by Iraq. So you're wrong there. MASSIVE shock. Sad!

The rise of ISIS naturally followed. Or do you think if ISIS packs its bags and quits, another won't follow in its footsteps?



you sure don't disappoint.
NoahFence is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:39 PM   #9
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,153
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.


Because blaming people who aren't in office any more won't "Make America Great Again". Because you're supposed to be better than that "disaster" Obama. Because you've been saying for years that you could do a better job, and went out an won an election so you could have the chance to do that.

That's why.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:40 PM   #10
lionking
In the Peanut Gallery
 
lionking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 47,178
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.
Love to see sore winners making excuses on day one of Trump.
__________________
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill
lionking is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:46 PM   #11
sunmaster14
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 10,017
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Because blaming people who aren't in office any more won't "Make America Great Again". Because you're supposed to be better than that "disaster" Obama. Because you've been saying for years that you could do a better job, and went out an won an election so you could have the chance to do that.

That's why.
Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.
sunmaster14 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:47 PM   #12
sunmaster14
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 10,017
Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Love to see sore winners making excuses on day one of Trump.
Well, I'm not sore anymore. Thankfully, my schadenboner subsided a long time ago.
sunmaster14 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:47 PM   #13
Spindrift
Time Person of the Year, 2006
 
Spindrift's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Right here!
Posts: 19,246
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.
Hopefully Trump won't make the same mistake by blaming Obama.
__________________
I've always believed that cluelessness evolved as an adaptation to allow the truly appalling to live with themselves. - G. B. Trudeau
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. - Kay, Men in Black.
Enjoy every sandwich. - Warren Zevon
Spindrift is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:48 PM   #14
Ziggurat
Penultimate Amazing
 
Ziggurat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 48,636
Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Blaming him for what, exactly?
The debt, for example.
__________________
"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law
Ziggurat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:49 PM   #15
Denver
Penultimate Amazing
 
Denver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,015
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
...So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.
He promised to Make America Great Again.
And people believed him.

And in four years, he will say he Made America Great Again.
And people will believe him.

Q.E.D.
__________________
Dreams inevitably lead to hideous implosions -- Invader Zim
Denver is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:52 PM   #16
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 50,583
When are we going to see the more reasonable, more moderate, more presidential Trump the Trumptes have been promising forever?
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:53 PM   #17
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 50,583
Originally Posted by Denver View Post
He promised to Make America Great Again.
And people believed him.

And in four years, he will say he Made America Great Again.
And people will believe him.

Q.E.D.
One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:54 PM   #18
sunmaster14
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 10,017
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
When are we going to see the more reasonable, more moderate, more presidential Trump the Trumptes have been promising forever?
You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.
sunmaster14 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 01:55 PM   #19
sunmaster14
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 10,017
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.
More hyperbole. Why am I not surprised?
sunmaster14 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:03 PM   #20
Giz
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,709
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.
That, and Brexit across the pond, certainly seemed to cause some folks to give up on "one man, one vote". Did you see the thread on plural voting?
Giz is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:03 PM   #21
NoahFence
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Patriot Nation
Posts: 22,131
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.
He very well may.
NoahFence is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:12 PM   #22
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 50,583
Originally Posted by Giz View Post
That, and Brexit across the pond, certainly seemed to cause some folks to give up on "one man, one vote". Did you see the thread on plural voting?
Or how about, in the US, just eliminating the electorial College?
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:18 PM   #23
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,153
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.

But that's not the issue. Blaming Bush may not have caused the "disaster", but it also clearly didn't "Make America Great Again", and neither will blaming Obama. The Trumpublicans knew what the State of the Union was all through the election, and despite that, still asserted that a vote for Trump would "Make America Great Again". So you can't use "Obama was a disaster" as an excuse for not MAGAing.

Again, you got what you wanted, now show us the money.


Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
More hyperbole. Why am I not surprised?
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.


Clearly there's very little of both shutting up and putting up to be had so far.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:37 PM   #24
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 50,583
I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:43 PM   #25
sir drinks-a-lot
Illuminator
 
sir drinks-a-lot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cole Valley, CA
Posts: 4,513
Boy, this place has really come a long way.
__________________
I don't like that man. I must get to know him better. --Abraham Lincoln
sir drinks-a-lot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:47 PM   #26
Ron_Tomkins
Satan's Helper
 
Ron_Tomkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 44,006
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
...So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.
Not me. I won't be holding my breath, nor watching, as I know exactly how it all turns out: Things end up getting ********** real bad, and the people responsible for it, still decide to blame the Democrats. I've learned very quickly that when it comes with obtuse idiots, all logic is thrown out the window.
__________________
"I am a collection of water, calcium and organic molecules called Carl Sagan"

Carl Sagan
Ron_Tomkins is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 02:50 PM   #27
Toontown
Philosopher
 
Toontown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 6,595
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.
You needn't have asked. They think that's great.
__________________
"I did not say that!" - Donald Trump
Toontown is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:07 PM   #28
CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
 
CapelDodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Cardiff, South Wales
Posts: 25,063
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.
Obama didn't blame Bush. He simply completed the process Bush started, getting the US out of Iraq because that's what the American people wanted. If anything, by continuing Bush's program he was crediting him, not blaming him.

As we all know, had Obama stopped the withdrawal and continued an occupation which had already lasted five years and was never meant to happen at all, people like you would be blaming him for not getting out of Iraq.

Getting into an occupation of Iraq in the first place was unquestionably the Bush Administration's fault. That's what saw the creation and rise of ISIS.

Blaming the Bush Administration for the financial boom-and-bust of the 2000's is something Obama was quite entitled to do, of course. One dreads to think how horribly Trump would have mis-handled the situation in 2009.
__________________
It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)

God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150
CapelDodger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:09 PM   #29
CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
 
CapelDodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Cardiff, South Wales
Posts: 25,063
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.
It's called realpolitik these days and is regarded as sophisticated.
__________________
It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)

God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150
CapelDodger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:13 PM   #30
CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
 
CapelDodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Cardiff, South Wales
Posts: 25,063
As I understand it the Trump Plan for ISIS should reveal itself very quickly.
__________________
It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)

God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150
CapelDodger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:13 PM   #31
Toontown
Philosopher
 
Toontown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 6,595
Well, if this thread is any indication, it doesn't look good.

I count one Obama-blamer, zero putter-uppers, and zero shutter-uppers .
__________________
"I did not say that!" - Donald Trump
Toontown is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:15 PM   #32
Beerina
Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions
 
Beerina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 30,423
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Or how about, in the US, just eliminating the electorial College?
"You red states voted stupid! You are what's wrong with this country! Sign on to this constitutional amendment to strip power from yourselves so you can't vote stupid again and will lose to us next time, like you shamefacedly should!"


Good luck with that.
__________________
"Great innovations should not be forced [by way of] slender majorities." - Thomas Jefferson

The government should nationalize it! Socialized, single-payer video game development and sales now! More, cheaper, better games, right? Right?
Beerina is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:15 PM   #33
CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
 
CapelDodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Cardiff, South Wales
Posts: 25,063
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Again, you got what you wanted, now show us the money.
A little patience is called for.
__________________
It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)

God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150
CapelDodger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:16 PM   #34
Shiner
Motor Mouth
 
Shiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,796
To quote a popular meme .....

This is what is wrong with this forum.
Shiner is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:17 PM   #35
applecorped
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 20,145
Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post

you sure don't disappoint.
Neither do you congrats
applecorped is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:28 PM   #36
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
 
bruto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 28,272
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.
When the Democrats were blaming Bush, did you think it was a good and right thing to do then? Most conservatives thought it a bad thing. Now it's good again?
__________________
I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver)

Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard)
bruto is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:36 PM   #37
Toontown
Philosopher
 
Toontown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 6,595
There is no absolute good or bad in the political mind. It all depends on motive.
__________________
"I did not say that!" - Donald Trump
Toontown is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:37 PM   #38
CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
 
CapelDodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Cardiff, South Wales
Posts: 25,063
Apparently "From this day forward ... America will start winning again winning like never before".

That should show up pretty quickly.
__________________
It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)

God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150
CapelDodger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:38 PM   #39
Upchurch
Papa Funkosophy
 
Upchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 32,468
Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
Apparently "From this day forward ... America will start winning again winning like never before".

That should show up pretty quickly.
But not too quickly. It's Friday. Presidentin' doesn't start until Monday, right?
__________________
"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact." -- Sherlock Holmes.
"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." -- Mark Twain, maybe.
Upchurch is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th January 2017, 03:43 PM   #40
mgidm86
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,094
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Congratulations, Trump is finally sworn in as President. It's been a tumultuous year leading up to this, but you've finally gotten what you've been saying you wanted for the last 8 years: Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and will in short order control the Supreme Court as well.

There's literally no one who can stop you from carrying out any legislative agenda that you want.


You've spent 8 years declaring everything and everyone a "disaster". Obama was a disaster, The Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, NAFTA and other trade programs are a disaster, foreign relations are a disaster, Hillary Clinton was a disaster, the ACA is a disaster. And you've spent the months since the election rubbing everyone else's noses in how big a win you got, and how Trump is going to Make America Great Again.

Okay, fine, you won, you deserved a bit of gloating.

But now it's time to do the work.

You've been claiming for years to know the secret to how to run the US, and the rest of the world, such that it won't be a "disaster". Well, now it's time to stop with the gloating, and put your money where you mouth is. You can't blame Obama, or Hillary, or the Democrats, or the libtards, or any else, any more, because you've won it all. Success or failure now falls entirely on you, your elected officials, and your philosophy.

So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.
Obama had the same thing. We ended up with Trump.

I don't see anyone rubbing noses here. We don't need to, you won't stop crying. You said put up or shut up - the left didn't put up, so...

I don't gloat and I'm not exactly thrilled, but I'm hoping for the best. Hopefully the temper tantrum threads and posts will start to slow down here.
__________________
I can't do this anymore.
mgidm86 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:58 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.