[Continuation] 2020 Presidential Election part 3 - Page 15

Stacyhs · 10th November 2020, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Does kind of piss all over the whole "No spamming" and "No hijacking" rules (which would also fall under the "LOL just ignore it if you don't like it" excuse) but apparently this is different for no reason...

At this point it is obvious he does it just because some people don't like it.

I couldn't disagree more. Many people, I'd say the majority, have expressed their support for his work in sludging through the cesspool of Trump's tweets and posting the more relevant ones here, including me. What's obvious is that you don't like it.

TragicMonkey · 10th November 2020, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

I think the comment meant Trump resigns making Pence 46.

46 Pence none the richer.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I couldn't disagree more. Many people, I'd say the majority, have expressed their support for his work in sludging through the cesspool of Trump's tweets and posting the more relevant ones here, including me. What's obvious is that you don't like it.

Oh I'm sorry I forgot things stopped being spamming and hijack because some people are too lazy to open Twitter in another tab. How careless of me.

Elagabalus · 10th November 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Yes, I always love this portion of the discussion. Such a beautiful atmosphere, being gas-lit.

Gaslight is the best light! The finest light! So naturally warm! Everything bathed in a red-orange glow.

acbytesla · 10th November 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I couldn't disagree more. Many people, I'd say the majority, have expressed their support for his work in sludging through the cesspool of Trump's tweets and posting the more relevant ones here, including me. What's obvious is that you don't like it.

I'm with Stacy on this Joe. While I hate to see Swoop's posts, I understand he's just bringing the relevant tweets so I don't have to look at his feed.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'm with Stacy on this Joe. While I hate to see Swoop's posts, I understand he's just bringing the relevant tweets so I don't have to look at his feed.

Well that's the beauty of it. If you don't like me complaining about you can just not read those posts.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:47 AM

He could at least start a "Trump's Tweet" thread. But again I think him doing IN the threads is the point.

Emily's Cat · 10th November 2020, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Well that's the beauty of it. If you don't like me complaining about you can just not read those posts.

I frequently don't

Skeptic Ginger · 10th November 2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

It's not mind-reading. Trump stated outright that he would not accept any outcome where he was not the winner. He is claiming election fraud with no evidence, and trying to get the courts to interfere in the vote counting. This is a straight up attempt to steal the election.

And we shouldn't be surprised, because he has used similar tactics in his private business dealings. He is an inveterate liar and fraudster who has (mostly) gotten away with it so far. IOW, he has form. We don't need to read his mind to know what he is doing.

Yep, including a slew of SLAPP lawsuits.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:52 AM

We're stuck in a loop.

The Republican cheat/break/stack/circumvent the system and when called it on go "Well that's the system, can't get mad at the system" and this means that they have successfully demonized either trying to fix the system or trying to force them to use the system honestly because they'll just play the "Well that's just a bias against us" card.

Stacyhs · 10th November 2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Oh I'm sorry I forgot things stopped being spamming and hijack because some people are too lazy to open Twitter in another tab. How careless of me.

It's not careless of you: you're just plain wrong. If it were hijacking and spamming the mods would have put a stop to it. Since Capt. Swoop has been providing this service for a long time and the mods have allowed it, they obviously do not think it breaks any rules. You can now respond with your customary snark when someone disagrees with you. I've expressed my opinion and getting into a pissing match with you isn't on my "to do" list today.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If it were hijacking and spamming the mods would have put a stop to it.

That's an oddly familiar argument in this thread.

"Well it can't be wrong because if it were wrong the system would have stopped it."

Skeptic Ginger · 10th November 2020, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Do you have a source for the highlighted? Prefereably one with context? My recollection (which could very well be faulty) is that he said he wouldn't accept it without making sure it was legitimate.

He said it multiple times, sometimes using weasel words, something he said it outright.

acbytesla · 10th November 2020, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Well that's the beauty of it. If you don't like me complaining about you can just not read those posts.

You don't see the irony in your post Joe?

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:56 AM

The whole "You showed me where Trump asked for a hamburger with cheese, but I asked you to show me where he asked for a cheeseburger" has been a favored gaslighting technique with the Trumpers for a while.

Meadmaker · 10th November 2020, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Nit - presidents are numbere66d by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45.

What I was saying is that if Trump walks out, Pence becomes President until January 20, so Pence would be 46, and Biden 47.

Or....wait....Trump refuses to leave office, and is threatening to launch the nukes. He finds out he needs the Secretary of Defense to do that with him, but the new SecDef hasn't found his way around the White House, and gets lost. Mike Pence realizes what's going on, and has pangs of conscience. He goes to the White House guards, borrows one of their weapons, walks in and shoots the President dead in the Oval Office. Pence is now number 46. He calls Nancy Pelosi, tells her what has happened, and promises to resign if she pardons him for the murder of the President. She agrees, and throws in a Medal of Freedom in appreciation. Pelosi is President 47. Finally, January 20 rolls around, and Biden is 48.

Far fetched? Maybe.

But on the whole idea of Trump resigns before January 20, I certainly don't expect it, but it wouldn't be out of character for him. If the odds were long enough, like 20 to 1, I might take that bet.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

You don't see the irony in your post Joe?

No.

And to be clear I know what irony you think I'm supposed to see.

But I noticed that people who's answer to everything is "Just ignore it" can never seem to ignore people all that well. Ignoring people is always what they want other people to do.

TragicMonkey · 10th November 2020, 11:59 AM

Great, now I want Trump to concede and a cheeseburger. I don't have any hamburger meat in the house! Or buns. Or cheese. I really need to plan my grocery ordering better.

Skeptic Ginger · 10th November 2020, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Sorry, I'm not being very clear

This is all on me.

I'm trying (and failing) to say that in states where mail-in voting has been uncommon, it is reasonable to think that there would be a notable difference in party favorite between mail-in votes and in-person votes (like we saw in PA). But that in states where mail-in has been common and is well established, we wouldn't expect to see as big a difference. I wasn't saying that the overall outcome would be the same in terms of Red/Blue as in the past.

And where do you fit the pandemic variable into your formula?

Stacyhs · 10th November 2020, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.”

Pompeo today.

This is unforgiveable.

TragicMonkey · 10th November 2020, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

What I was saying is that if Trump walks out, Pence becomes President until January 20, so Pence would be 46, and Biden 47.

Or....wait....Trump refuses to leave office, and is threatening to launch the nukes. He finds out he needs the Secretary of Defense to do that with him, but the new SecDef hasn't found his way around the White House, and gets lost. Mike Pence realizes what's going on, and has pangs of conscience. He goes to the White House guards, borrows one of their weapons, walks in and shoots the President dead in the Oval Office. Pence is now number 46. He calls Nancy Pelosi, tells her what has happened, and promises to resign if she pardons him for the murder of the President. She agrees, and throws in a Medal of Freedom in appreciation. Pelosi is President 47. Finally, January 20 rolls around, and Biden is 48.

Far fetched? Maybe.

But on the whole idea of Trump resigns before January 20, I certainly don't expect it, but it wouldn't be out of character for him. If the odds were long enough, like 20 to 1, I might take that bet.

Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering?

The Great Zaganza · 10th November 2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?

The two Senate seata in Georgia that go into a runoff: Democrats will move heaven and hell to win them.
Republicans will, too, but the last thing they need is a Trump who feels like Republicans have stabbed him in the back: they have to keep Trump happy, so he will campaign for the R-candidates.

Skeptic Ginger · 10th November 2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Don't forget that Trump encouraged his supporters to NOT mail in ballots.

And that variable ^

Firestone · 10th November 2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering?

He's 22 and 24

pgwenthold · 10th November 2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Great, now I want Trump to concede and a cheeseburger. I don't have any hamburger meat in the house! Or buns. Or cheese. I really need to plan my grocery ordering better.

I'll have mine with swiss

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering?

Two. He was 22 and 24.

Mader Levap · 10th November 2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

That's all. Nothing more. The skew toward blue for Mail votes would reasonably be observable in states where mail-in has previously been uncommon, less so in areas where it was already common.

Nope. Trump was discouraging Republican voters from voting by mail and said many, many times this is how you do voting fraud, preparing ground for throwing these mail votes away.

So we can expect that blue skew in mail votes will appear everywhere, regardless of how long was customary to use mail votes in particular state.

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

What I was saying is that if Trump walks out, Pence becomes President until January 20, so Pence would be 46, and Biden 47.

Or....wait....Trump refuses to leave office, and is threatening to launch the nukes. He finds out he needs the Secretary of Defense to do that with him, but the new SecDef hasn't found his way around the White House, and gets lost. Mike Pence realizes what's going on, and has pangs of conscience. He goes to the White House guards, borrows one of their weapons, walks in and shoots the President dead in the Oval Office. Pence is now number 46. He calls Nancy Pelosi, tells her what has happened, and promises to resign if she pardons him for the murder of the President. She agrees, and throws in a Medal of Freedom in appreciation. Pelosi is President 47. Finally, January 20 rolls around, and Biden is 48.

Movie with this kind of scenario should exist.

Skeptic Ginger · 10th November 2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

The two Senate seata in Georgia that go into a runoff: Democrats will move heaven and hell to win them.
Republicans will, too, but the last thing they need is a Trump who feels like Republicans have stabbed him in the back: they have to keep Trump happy, so he will campaign for the R-candidates.

I think McConnell might have that very runoff in mind given his statement today about POTUS' every right.

TragicMonkey · 10th November 2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

He's 22 and 24

Sounds a bit like Time Lord regeneration numbering. "For timey-wimey reasons, President 22 was also 24." Most likely because 23's actor asked for too much money.

Elagabalus · 10th November 2020, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

We're stuck in a loop.

The Republican cheat/break/stack/circumvent the system and when called it on go "Well that's the system, can't get mad at the system" and this means that they have successfully demonized either trying to fix the system or trying to force them to use the system honestly because they'll just play the "Well that's just a bias against us" card.

I say we go low on this one and just flip the board over (before the other side does it) and take a dump on it and enjoy the conservative cry-tears of "I can't believe you just did that! You're such a hypocrite! You've become us! That means we won!" And then we say "but you didn't win. Conservative tears are the best tears." Of course, right now I'm currently wearing a speedo and prepared to get muddy so I would say that.

acbytesla · 10th November 2020, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

No.

And to be clear I know what irony you think I'm supposed to see.

But I noticed that people who's answer to everything is "Just ignore it" can never seem to ignore people all that well. Ignoring people is always what they want other people to do.

I really don't care about Swoop's posts or your snarks. I've never blocked a poster. You're entitled to your position whether I like it or not. I usually hate reading Swoop's posts but I do see their value.

Stacyhs · 10th November 2020, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Nope. Trump was discouraging Republican voters from voting by mail and said many, many times this is how you do voting fraud, preparing ground for throwing these mail votes away.

So we can expect that blue skew in mail votes will appear everywhere, regardless of how long was customary to use mail votes in particular state.
Movie with this kind of scenario should exist.

With the exception of Oregon where the only way to vote is by mail. There is no in-person voting at all.

Skeptic Ginger · 10th November 2020, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

This is unforgiveable.

It's not like he expects to keep his job if Trump is out. Barr and Pompeo both have minion credentials and both are serious Christian fundies.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

I say we go low on this one and just flip the board over (before the other side does it) and take a dump on it and enjoy the conservative cry-tears of "I can't believe you just did that! You're such a hypocrite! You've become us! That means we won!" And then we say "but you didn't win. Conservative tears are the best tears." Of course, right now I'm currently wearing a speedo and prepared to get muddy so I would say that.

The problem with choosing to "go low" isn't just one how far one is willing to go morally.

Provided one has "actually accomplishes something" listed among one of our morals I find the whole "Should we go low?" moral conundrum fairly humdrum if we're being honest. The Moral High Ground has never been a place on the battlefield I'm overly obsessed with holding.

My issue is more practical and prosaic. The Left just isn't as good at the old mud slinging routine as the Right is. It's not a question of whether or not stooping to their level makes us "as bad as them." It's a question as to whether or not the fight would actually be any easier for us if we do.

I'm less than convinced it would.

acbytesla · 10th November 2020, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering?

Good question.

22 and 24.

I now see Joe beat me to it.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I really don't care about Swoop's posts or your snarks. I've never blocked a poster. You're entitled to your position whether I like it or not. I usually hate reading Swoop's posts but I do see their value.

You're missing my point by a good country mile.

I'm expected to "just ignore" Swoop's endless spamming all the time across multiple threads you can ignore the one time in 6 months I've complained about it.

Yet you aren't. Funny that.

Captain_Swoop · 10th November 2020, 12:12 PM

Pompeo sounds like a hostage telling the press how well he's being treated by his torturers.
This is dangerous stuff and I'm not sure he believes what he's saying.

TragicMonkey · 10th November 2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The problem with choosing to "go low" isn't just one how far one is willing to go morally.

Provided one has "actually accomplishes something" listed among one of our morals I find the whole "Should we go low?" moral conundrum fairly humdrum if we're being honest. The Moral High Ground has never been a place on the battlefield I'm overly obsessed with holding.

Tut, tut! As a brilliant orator, moral authority, and thinker once urged us to, I think we should "be best".

acbytesla · 10th November 2020, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

With the exception of Oregon where the only way to vote is by mail. There is no in-person voting at all.

Are you sure Oregon doesn't have a mechanism where you can vote in person. Like you can here in Washington State? Which really is basically walking into County and being handed a provisional ballot.

JoeMorgue · 10th November 2020, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Tut, tut! As a brilliant orator, moral authority, and thinker once urged us to, I think we should "be best".

"Try to please everyone and you're going to wind up the most popular man in the cemetery." - Bronn.

10th November 2020, 11:41 AM	#562
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,718	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger I think the comment meant Trump resigns making Pence 46. 46 Pence none the richer.
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10th November 2020, 11:42 AM	#563
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I couldn't disagree more. Many people, I'd say the majority, have expressed their support for his work in sludging through the cesspool of Trump's tweets and posting the more relevant ones here, including me. What's obvious is that you don't like it. Oh I'm sorry I forgot things stopped being spamming and hijack because some people are too lazy to open Twitter in another tab. How careless of me.
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10th November 2020, 11:44 AM	#564
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,988	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Yes, I always love this portion of the discussion. Such a beautiful atmosphere, being gas-lit. Gaslight is the best light! The finest light! So naturally warm! Everything bathed in a red-orange glow.
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10th November 2020, 11:44 AM	#565
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,569	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I couldn't disagree more. Many people, I'd say the majority, have expressed their support for his work in sludging through the cesspool of Trump's tweets and posting the more relevant ones here, including me. What's obvious is that you don't like it. I'm with Stacy on this Joe. While I hate to see Swoop's posts, I understand he's just bringing the relevant tweets so I don't have to look at his feed.
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10th November 2020, 11:46 AM	#566
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	Originally Posted by acbytesla I'm with Stacy on this Joe. While I hate to see Swoop's posts, I understand he's just bringing the relevant tweets so I don't have to look at his feed. Well that's the beauty of it. If you don't like me complaining about you can just not read those posts.
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

10th November 2020, 11:41 AM	#561
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,203	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Does kind of piss all over the whole "No spamming" and "No hijacking" rules (which would also fall under the "LOL just ignore it if you don't like it" excuse) but apparently this is different for no reason... At this point it is obvious he does it just because some people don't like it. I couldn't disagree more. Many people, I'd say the majority, have expressed their support for his work in sludging through the cesspool of Trump's tweets and posting the more relevant ones here, including me. What's obvious is that you don't like it.

10th November 2020, 11:47 AM	#567
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	He could at least start a "Trump's Tweet" thread. But again I think him doing IN the threads is the point.
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

10th November 2020, 11:48 AM	#568
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 15,345	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Well that's the beauty of it. If you don't like me complaining about you can just not read those posts. I frequently don't
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10th November 2020, 11:50 AM	#569
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,763	Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets It's not mind-reading. Trump stated outright that he would not accept any outcome where he was not the winner. He is claiming election fraud with no evidence, and trying to get the courts to interfere in the vote counting. This is a straight up attempt to steal the election. And we shouldn't be surprised, because he has used similar tactics in his private business dealings. He is an inveterate liar and fraudster who has (mostly) gotten away with it so far. IOW, he has form. We don't need to read his mind to know what he is doing. Yep, including a slew of SLAPP lawsuits.

10th November 2020, 11:52 AM	#570
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	We're stuck in a loop. The Republican cheat/break/stack/circumvent the system and when called it on go "Well that's the system, can't get mad at the system" and this means that they have successfully demonized either trying to fix the system or trying to force them to use the system honestly because they'll just play the "Well that's just a bias against us" card.
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

10th November 2020, 11:53 AM	#571
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,203	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Oh I'm sorry I forgot things stopped being spamming and hijack because some people are too lazy to open Twitter in another tab. How careless of me. It's not careless of you: you're just plain wrong. If it were hijacking and spamming the mods would have put a stop to it. Since Capt. Swoop has been providing this service for a long time and the mods have allowed it, they obviously do not think it breaks any rules. You can now respond with your customary snark when someone disagrees with you. I've expressed my opinion and getting into a pissing match with you isn't on my "to do" list today.

10th November 2020, 11:54 AM	#572
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	Originally Posted by Stacyhs If it were hijacking and spamming the mods would have put a stop to it. That's an oddly familiar argument in this thread. "Well it can't be wrong because if it were wrong the system would have stopped it."
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

10th November 2020, 11:55 AM	#573
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,763	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Do you have a source for the highlighted? Prefereably one with context? My recollection (which could very well be faulty) is that he said he wouldn't accept it without making sure it was legitimate. He said it multiple times, sometimes using weasel words, something he said it outright.

10th November 2020, 11:55 AM	#574
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,569	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Well that's the beauty of it. If you don't like me complaining about you can just not read those posts. You don't see the irony in your post Joe?
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10th November 2020, 11:56 AM	#575
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	The whole "You showed me where Trump asked for a hamburger with cheese, but I asked you to show me where he asked for a cheeseburger" has been a favored gaslighting technique with the Trumpers for a while.
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

10th November 2020, 11:57 AM	#576
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,474	Originally Posted by slyjoe Nit - presidents are numbere66d by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45. What I was saying is that if Trump walks out, Pence becomes President until January 20, so Pence would be 46, and Biden 47. Or....wait....Trump refuses to leave office, and is threatening to launch the nukes. He finds out he needs the Secretary of Defense to do that with him, but the new SecDef hasn't found his way around the White House, and gets lost. Mike Pence realizes what's going on, and has pangs of conscience. He goes to the White House guards, borrows one of their weapons, walks in and shoots the President dead in the Oval Office. Pence is now number 46. He calls Nancy Pelosi, tells her what has happened, and promises to resign if she pardons him for the murder of the President. She agrees, and throws in a Medal of Freedom in appreciation. Pelosi is President 47. Finally, January 20 rolls around, and Biden is 48. Far fetched? Maybe. But on the whole idea of Trump resigns before January 20, I certainly don't expect it, but it wouldn't be out of character for him. If the odds were long enough, like 20 to 1, I might take that bet.
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10th November 2020, 11:57 AM	#577
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	Originally Posted by acbytesla You don't see the irony in your post Joe? No. And to be clear I know what irony you think I'm supposed to see. But I noticed that people who's answer to everything is "Just ignore it" can never seem to ignore people all that well. Ignoring people is always what they want other people to do.
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

10th November 2020, 11:59 AM	#578
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,718	Great, now I want Trump to concede and a cheeseburger. I don't have any hamburger meat in the house! Or buns. Or cheese. I really need to plan my grocery ordering better.
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10th November 2020, 11:59 AM	#579
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,763	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Sorry, I'm not being very clear This is all on me. I'm trying (and failing) to say that in states where mail-in voting has been uncommon, it is reasonable to think that there would be a notable difference in party favorite between mail-in votes and in-person votes (like we saw in PA). But that in states where mail-in has been common and is well established, we wouldn't expect to see as big a difference. I wasn't saying that the overall outcome would be the same in terms of Red/Blue as in the past. And where do you fit the pandemic variable into your formula?

10th November 2020, 11:59 AM	#580
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,203	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.” Pompeo today. This is unforgiveable.

10th November 2020, 12:00 PM	#581
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,718	Originally Posted by Meadmaker What I was saying is that if Trump walks out, Pence becomes President until January 20, so Pence would be 46, and Biden 47. Or....wait....Trump refuses to leave office, and is threatening to launch the nukes. He finds out he needs the Secretary of Defense to do that with him, but the new SecDef hasn't found his way around the White House, and gets lost. Mike Pence realizes what's going on, and has pangs of conscience. He goes to the White House guards, borrows one of their weapons, walks in and shoots the President dead in the Oval Office. Pence is now number 46. He calls Nancy Pelosi, tells her what has happened, and promises to resign if she pardons him for the murder of the President. She agrees, and throws in a Medal of Freedom in appreciation. Pelosi is President 47. Finally, January 20 rolls around, and Biden is 48. Far fetched? Maybe. But on the whole idea of Trump resigns before January 20, I certainly don't expect it, but it wouldn't be out of character for him. If the odds were long enough, like 20 to 1, I might take that bet. Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering?
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10th November 2020, 12:01 PM	#582
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,853	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate? The two Senate seata in Georgia that go into a runoff: Democrats will move heaven and hell to win them. Republicans will, too, but the last thing they need is a Trump who feels like Republicans have stabbed him in the back: they have to keep Trump happy, so he will campaign for the R-candidates.
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10th November 2020, 12:01 PM	#583
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,763	Originally Posted by slyjoe Don't forget that Trump encouraged his supporters to NOT mail in ballots. And that variable ^

10th November 2020, 12:01 PM	#584
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,998	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering? He's 22 and 24
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10th November 2020, 12:01 PM	#585
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,208	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Great, now I want Trump to concede and a cheeseburger. I don't have any hamburger meat in the house! Or buns. Or cheese. I really need to plan my grocery ordering better. I'll have mine with swiss
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10th November 2020, 12:01 PM	#586
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering? Two. He was 22 and 24.
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10th November 2020, 12:04 PM	#587
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat That's all. Nothing more. The skew toward blue for Mail votes would reasonably be observable in states where mail-in has previously been uncommon, less so in areas where it was already common. Nope. Trump was discouraging Republican voters from voting by mail and said many, many times this is how you do voting fraud, preparing ground for throwing these mail votes away. So we can expect that blue skew in mail votes will appear everywhere, regardless of how long was customary to use mail votes in particular state. Originally Posted by Meadmaker What I was saying is that if Trump walks out, Pence becomes President until January 20, so Pence would be 46, and Biden 47. Or....wait....Trump refuses to leave office, and is threatening to launch the nukes. He finds out he needs the Secretary of Defense to do that with him, but the new SecDef hasn't found his way around the White House, and gets lost. Mike Pence realizes what's going on, and has pangs of conscience. He goes to the White House guards, borrows one of their weapons, walks in and shoots the President dead in the Oval Office. Pence is now number 46. He calls Nancy Pelosi, tells her what has happened, and promises to resign if she pardons him for the murder of the President. She agrees, and throws in a Medal of Freedom in appreciation. Pelosi is President 47. Finally, January 20 rolls around, and Biden is 48. Movie with this kind of scenario should exist.
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10th November 2020, 12:04 PM	#588
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,763	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza The two Senate seata in Georgia that go into a runoff: Democrats will move heaven and hell to win them. Republicans will, too, but the last thing they need is a Trump who feels like Republicans have stabbed him in the back: they have to keep Trump happy, so he will campaign for the R-candidates. I think McConnell might have that very runoff in mind given his statement today about POTUS' every right.

10th November 2020, 12:04 PM	#589
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,718	Originally Posted by Firestone He's 22 and 24 Sounds a bit like Time Lord regeneration numbering. "For timey-wimey reasons, President 22 was also 24." Most likely because 23's actor asked for too much money.
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10th November 2020, 12:06 PM	#590
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,988	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue We're stuck in a loop. The Republican cheat/break/stack/circumvent the system and when called it on go "Well that's the system, can't get mad at the system" and this means that they have successfully demonized either trying to fix the system or trying to force them to use the system honestly because they'll just play the "Well that's just a bias against us" card. I say we go low on this one and just flip the board over (before the other side does it) and take a dump on it and enjoy the conservative cry-tears of "I can't believe you just did that! You're such a hypocrite! You've become us! That means we won!" And then we say "but you didn't win. Conservative tears are the best tears." Of course, right now I'm currently wearing a speedo and prepared to get muddy so I would say that.
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10th November 2020, 12:06 PM	#591
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,569	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue No. And to be clear I know what irony you think I'm supposed to see. But I noticed that people who's answer to everything is "Just ignore it" can never seem to ignore people all that well. Ignoring people is always what they want other people to do. I really don't care about Swoop's posts or your snarks. I've never blocked a poster. You're entitled to your position whether I like it or not. I usually hate reading Swoop's posts but I do see their value.
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10th November 2020, 12:07 PM	#592
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,203	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Nope. Trump was discouraging Republican voters from voting by mail and said many, many times this is how you do voting fraud, preparing ground for throwing these mail votes away. So we can expect that blue skew in mail votes will appear everywhere, regardless of how long was customary to use mail votes in particular state. Movie with this kind of scenario should exist. With the exception of Oregon where the only way to vote is by mail. There is no in-person voting at all.

10th November 2020, 12:08 PM	#593
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,763	Originally Posted by Stacyhs This is unforgiveable. It's not like he expects to keep his job if Trump is out. Barr and Pompeo both have minion credentials and both are serious Christian fundies.

10th November 2020, 12:09 PM	#594
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,394	Originally Posted by Elagabalus I say we go low on this one and just flip the board over (before the other side does it) and take a dump on it and enjoy the conservative cry-tears of "I can't believe you just did that! You're such a hypocrite! You've become us! That means we won!" And then we say "but you didn't win. Conservative tears are the best tears." Of course, right now I'm currently wearing a speedo and prepared to get muddy so I would say that. The problem with choosing to "go low" isn't just one how far one is willing to go morally. Provided one has "actually accomplishes something" listed among one of our morals I find the whole "Should we go low?" moral conundrum fairly humdrum if we're being honest. The Moral High Ground has never been a place on the battlefield I'm overly obsessed with holding. My issue is more practical and prosaic. The Left just isn't as good at the old mud slinging routine as the Right is. It's not a question of whether or not stooping to their level makes us "as bad as them." It's a question as to whether or not the fight would actually be any easier for us if we do. I'm less than convinced it would.
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10th November 2020, 12:10 PM	#595
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,569	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Does Grover Cleveland count as one president or two, in the numbering? Good question. 22 and 24. I now see Joe beat me to it.
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