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Old 18th September 2019, 06:41 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I agree it's a very good piece.
Indeed. Itís one of the best depictions of anguish, if not the best, ever.
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Old 19th September 2019, 03:40 AM   #282
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Today on BBC Radio 4 they repeated the In Our Time podcast about Picasso's Guernica.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07mdlx7

They skip through the Spanish Civil War at the beginning rather quickly which might seem rather blasť, but that is simply because that is not the main subject. (In Our Time covered it in 2003 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00548wn)

I did not know that the painting, 3.49 meters (11 ft 5 in) tall and 7.76 meters (25 ft 6 in) wide, was completed in only 7 weeks.

That is remarkably fast for an oil painting that size.
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Old 20th September 2019, 07:26 AM   #283
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Yes indeed absolutely grotesque. Could be used to torture someone if you locked them in a room with it.

How to recognize great art:

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Old 7th October 2019, 01:46 PM   #284
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In case anybody's got too much money:

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Fifty-five paintings by a chimpanzee -- whose works have been acquired by the likes of Pablo Picasso, Joan Mirů and the Duke of Edinburgh -- will go on sale at a London gallery in December, collectively priced at around £200,000 ($247,000).
Collection of paintings by famed chimp artist to go on sale for $250,000 (CNN, Oct. 7, 2019)
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Old 7th October 2019, 02:31 PM   #285
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Would love to be a fly on the wall when some critics discuss the meaning of the works and what the chimp was trying to say.
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Old 7th October 2019, 02:35 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
In case anybody's got too much money:
I bet there is an elephant somewhere whose paintings are much more thoughtful and expressive, with specifically elephantine emotions on display, all ready to be thoroughly analyzed by experts.
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Old 7th October 2019, 03:41 PM   #287
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I bet there is an elephant somewhere whose paintings are much more thoughtful and expressive, with specifically elephantine emotions on display, all ready to be thoroughly analyzed by experts.
But if it's in the same room, nobody will want to address it.
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Old 7th October 2019, 03:51 PM   #288
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
But if it's in the same room, nobody will want to address it.
Excellent point.
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Now it might not be art interpretation or even trying to understand it, the case of Congo is interesting. Based on the short Wiki article, there seemed to be a creative and aesthetic process involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_(chimpanzee)

Interesting from an evolutionary sense of the word.
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Old 7th October 2019, 04:48 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
Now it might not be art interpretation or even trying to understand it, the case of Congo is interesting. Based on the short Wiki article, there seemed to be a creative and aesthetic process involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_(chimpanzee)

Interesting from an evolutionary sense of the word.
BT, I couldn't get the link to work. I'll try again, it sounds interesting.
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Old 7th October 2019, 08:50 PM   #291
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Missing a ) at the end.

Here: Congo

Don't forget Bini the bunny, the only rabbit in the world who can paint with acrylic paints on canvas, can jump, dance and spin on command as well as comb and style human hair. Bini also loves basketball and holds a Guinness Book of World Records title for the most slam dunks by a rabbit in one minute. What will Bini do next?
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Old 8th October 2019, 05:14 AM   #292
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Sorry about the broken link and thanks Cheetah for fixing it.

I managed to find Desmond Morris's book "The Biology of Art" which goes into much more detail of his and other experiments.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet...217981/page/n3
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Old 11th October 2019, 01:38 AM   #293
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Would love to be a fly on the wall when some critics discuss the meaning of the works and what the chimp was trying to say.

There's one critic doing so here:

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(Notice that the chimp masters the art to a degree where it doesn't even have to look at what it's painting!)
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
Sorry about the broken link and thanks Cheetah for fixing it.

I managed to find Desmond Morris's book "The Biology of Art" which goes into much more detail of his and other experiments.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet...217981/page/n3
I have a few other of Morris' books -- thanks for pointing this one out. And I can download it!
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There's one critic doing so here:

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(Notice that the chimp masters the art to a degree where it doesn't even have to look at what it's painting!)

Thanks for the video but the "critique" doesn't delve into the meaning or thoughts of the chimp. Only whether the paintings are pleasing.
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My SIL is an artist and has taught classes to kids and adults. She has in her home a bunch of canvasses that have been used multiple times to demonstrate the various styles of paintings that have been popular.

I looked at one for years that was a blog of purplish forms and last week realized it was of a sleeping cat. Another of a mermaid on a rock that didn't register until it was hung wrong side up.

All of her most appreciated work is beautifully done pencil drawings and oil paintings done in realistic styles.

She has never had a request for abstract art.
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Old 13th October 2019, 02:03 PM   #297
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Thanks for the video but the "critique" doesn't delve into the meaning or thoughts of the chimp. Only whether the paintings are pleasing.

OK, two more, then:

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What started out as scribbly lines and splotches of paint soon turned into carefully crafted compositions that demonstrated a formal logic without having an obvious analog to the real world. Just as Pollack, de Kooning, and Kline were exploring the limits of pictorial abstraction, so too was a three-year-old chimpanzee.
Congo, the Late Chimpanzee Painter Whose Works Have Sold for Thousands, Will Have a Solo Show at a Respected London Gallery (Art Net, Oct. 8, 2019)

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But Is It Art? And assuming it is, writes John Valentine in The Philosopher, "what then follows from such a classification? What sort of difference does it or should it make in the way we approach and appreciate chimpanzee paintings? If they are art, what sort of critical or interpretive discourse about them should we engage in? Do we simply appreciate the lines, colours, and forms of Congo's paintings and stop at that? Does it make any difference that the paintings were done by a member of a different species? Should species differences make any difference in artistic value?"
Meet Congo the Chimp, London’s Sensational 1950s Abstract Painter (Open Culture, Nov. 19, 2015)
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