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Old 27th December 2006, 10:14 AM   #321
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"Then wouldn't airline Boeing jets filled with fuel suffise to demolish them? Isn't the controlled demolition unnecessary?"

Not according to the project manager. On tape says that he believes, not that means much, that the building would survive MULTIPLE airplane hits.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:14 AM   #322
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Explosives cause explosions. Not all explosions are caused by explosives.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:15 AM   #323
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"This kind of fuel:"

You do know that NIST performed a mock up of the trusses and was unable to observe a similar reaction that they are claiming? Yet they are standing by their claim, even though through scientific experimentation they are unable to obtain anything similar in the results that happened on 9/11?
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:17 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by RemoveBush View Post
Allow me....

"Assertion #1"

They "claim" to have analyzed all video, but yet I have watched 911eyewitness, which appears to have vanished from google, and you can CLEARLY hear explosions and see dust rising from the ground about 10 - 20 seconds before the top begins to collapse.

"Assertion #2"

They "claim" that a 50 story piece was intact, but yet no where is there ANY evidence of this! There has been no photos of this 50 story piece laying around, and I have seen many pictures of the day.



Oh for crying out loud.

I do so hope that you're not the best the 'truth' movement can muster, because quite frankly this is extremely embarassing.

You feel you can cite one video as evidence that there were explosions prior to collapse, when ALL of the other video and sound and siesmic evidence contradicts this ONE video?

And this claim of a 50 storey piece being intact.... could you clarify this please, as I have a horrible feeling you are going to claim that the section of the tower above the impact zone which collapsed down on to the remainder of the tower was somehow claimed to still be intact after the collapse finished.

I hope that isn't your claim, I really do...... but I don't hold out much hope.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:19 AM   #325
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RemoveBush: Why can't you, an alleged college educated person, construct a coherent sentence? Why can't you develop a logical argument? Why can't you use the quote function?
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:20 AM   #326
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RB,

Use the Quote button, please.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:20 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by RemoveBush View Post
" You essentially agree with thier position on CD of the WTC then?"

Not all!

Allow me....

"Assertion #1"

They "claim" to have analyzed all video, but yet I have watched 911eyewitness, which appears to have vanished from google, and you can CLEARLY hear explosions and see dust rising from the ground about 10 - 20 seconds before the top begins to collapse.

"Assertion #2"

They "claim" that a 50 story piece was intact, but yet no where is there ANY evidence of this! There has been no photos of this 50 story piece laying around, and I have seen many pictures of the day.

"Assertion #3"

Yes it is.... At the point of collapse, or just below, not 10 - 20 stories below.

"Assertion #4"

Several Police, Fireman, EMS, News personel, and citizens report hearing EXPLOSIONS! News reporter live "we were in WTC? when we heard the second explosion, then a fire chief came in and told us to get out because if there was a THIRD explosion the building might not survive."

http://www.911revisited.com/

"Assertion #5"

There was evidence!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=87932

Notice how the slag is flowing from this steel beam. Notice where this steel beam is. I doubt that they had a man out there cutting this beam in this area considering the debris around it and the fact that there is no sign of any part of it laying below it.

Slag does not end up like that when being cut, from what I have seen with the time that I was using a torch and watching it being used.

"Assertion #6"

Simply looking at the steel is not an investigation! They are making claims that the steel was analyzed, when it was not! The steel was not taken to a lab, they even imply that themselves! Having people look at steel, and I am sure they could not look at it all before shipping, does not constitute and investigation of the steel.

"Assertion #7"

They are correct on item ONE. However, what they FAIL to identify is why the firemen would even call Larry? So for him to make a statement like that is unprecidented. When the firemen work a scene, they are in complete control of the area. They make the decissions. They determine pulling MEN, not "IT" from the buildings.

For item number 3, well there are other people in the field that says otherwise...

http://www.rense.com/general67/forensic.htm
By Steve Davis
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Item number 5, the eyewitness is a firefighter (as this has been used time and time again by the same people). Yet, others have proclaimed "bombs in the building" in VIDEOS. I believe video because it is less subjective to interpretation of a question or answer.

"Assertion #9"

I really love this comment:

"To draw any specific relationship between how many buildings were destroyed and the reason for thier collapse runs counter to logic and common sense."

What! With all due respect! What a CROCK! Of course it plays a role. If the building would have stopped collapsing patially on the way down and left 2-4-or 10 floors intact with rubble all the way around, we would not be having this discussion. But it did not, and it is COMPLETLY within logic and common sense to ask these questions.

"Assertion #9"

This is the funniest...... They dismiss hours of tapes with people pointing out that there were explosions, its on tape people, and then they want to claim that people are making things fit their conclusion.

With all due respect again! In this statement alone, they have dropped down to about a 5 on the believable scale. Police, firemen, and ems in their statements indicate that they heard, saw, and felt explosions. One guy said (Paraphrasing) "Then it started popping and it started going around the building, we could see the explosion as it went around the building."

There are hundreds of similar stories. The basement being blown only seconds before the plane hits.

Do I believe some of what they state? Sure! However, by their comments it is clear that they failed in many areas and that their ASSUMPTION in many areas are not scientific or provable.


What the hell is wrong with you? Try using the freaking quote button. Jeesss...
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:23 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by RemoveBush View Post
"This kind of fuel:"

You do know that NIST performed a mock up of the trusses and was unable to observe a similar reaction that they are claiming? Yet they are standing by their claim, even though through scientific experimentation they are unable to obtain anything similar in the results that happened on 9/11?
Oh crap, I thought you asked about what fueled the fires? I did not account in my answer for you moving the goalposts afterwards. My bad.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:25 AM   #329
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"quote=pomeroo;2207789 I'm not an engineer, nor do I play one on television. One of my friends who is a structural engineer has devised a test, charming in its innocence and simplicity, for unmasking frauds like RB. He suggests asking the impostor to explain why no skyscrapers are constructed of wood."

Since I am not a DEGREED engineer (a software engineer is I) I believe I can temporarily fill the shoes of 28th Kingdom and answer this question WITHOUT using the quote feature just like he and/or she or/and it would do.

Pomeroo: Carcinogens, is why?!? Geez! That's why your knot an EnginEar, see?!? Some woods is stronger than steal even! Like walnuts and cherries wood and Birch Society wood. Plus like wood don't rust very much of a whole lot either so it lasts Longer than most Steal witch can rust even if its Stainless! Its reely the TERMITES man! Even Shills shud no about Termites! If you have the wood struckchoor then you got Termytes and THEN you have to have a big tank at the Top of the Bilding full of Insecktoside. Like they'd open the valves on that Big Tank Every six months or so to kill the little termyte buggers. But what if like the Tank Watchers up top had a fist Fight or something and one fell into the valve and it opened during The day?!? Then peeple would breethe the Insecktaside and get cancer and Sue the shill Reel Estate Develuppers and then that would be the End of collecting Rent and no more trillian of dollors for the Corporatist LandLourdes!!!
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:27 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by RemoveBush View Post
"This kind of fuel:"

You do know that NIST performed a mock up of the trusses and was unable to observe a similar reaction that they are claiming? Yet they are standing by their claim, even though through scientific experimentation they are unable to obtain anything similar in the results that happened on 9/11?
Sorry, can't respond till you use the quote button.

It is difficult to verify who said what and see the original quote unless you do.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:29 AM   #331
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Originally Posted by ConspiRaider View Post
"quote=pomeroo;2207789 I'm not an engineer, nor do I play one on television. One of my friends who is a structural engineer has devised a test, charming in its innocence and simplicity, for unmasking frauds like RB. He suggests asking the impostor to explain why no skyscrapers are constructed of wood."

Since I am not a DEGREED engineer (a software engineer is I) I believe I can temporarily fill the shoes of 28th Kingdom and answer this question WITHOUT using the quote feature just like he and/or she or/and it would do.

Pomeroo: Carcinogens, is why?!? Geez! That's why your knot an EnginEar, see?!? Some woods is stronger than steal even! Like walnuts and cherries wood and Birch Society wood. Plus like wood don't rust very much of a whole lot either so it lasts Longer than most Steal witch can rust even if its Stainless! Its reely the TERMITES man! Even Shills shud no about Termites! If you have the wood struckchoor then you got Termytes and THEN you have to have a big tank at the Top of the Bilding full of Insecktoside. Like they'd open the valves on that Big Tank Every six months or so to kill the little termyte buggers. But what if like the Tank Watchers up top had a fist Fight or something and one fell into the valve and it opened during The day?!? Then peeple would breethe the Insecktaside and get cancer and Sue the shill Reel Estate Develuppers and then that would be the End of collecting Rent and no more trillian of dollors for the Corporatist LandLourdes!!!
Wow! Verbatim!

Did 28K take over your body?
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:29 AM   #332
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"Then wouldn't airline Boeing jets filled with fuel suffise to demolish them? Isn't the controlled demolition unnecessary?"

Not according to the project manager. On tape says that he believes, not that means much, that the building would survive MULTIPLE airplane hits.
Again, use the quote function.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:31 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by JimBenArm View Post
Did 28K take over your body?
Was it a loose fit? (second edition, recut & revised)
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:34 AM   #334
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"Question 1

Do you believe that two jet liners collided with the twin towers on 9/11?

Now if the answer to this is 'no' then you don't have to bother with the next question which is a bit more detailed."

Yes I believe planes hit the building. The question is what type of planes and where they the planes we are told.

"So the question is if one imagines that the government staged the event in order to advance a private agenda why did they go to what I'm sure you'll agree is a enormous undertaking in order to make the towers collapse."

Here is something it sounds like you are not aware of? Did you know that the towers were about to be CONDEMED? They were on their last waiver.... I can't remember where I read it, I will look for that.

It was going to cost about 2 BILLION dollars to bring the buildings up to code. They were going to have to basically gut the buildings inside and out! How convienent for Larry that this happens so he does not have to spend that money but makes that kind of money? There sure are a lot of coincidences for 9/11! Sorry, but one two or five would be reasonable, but when you have hundreds (maybe not that high but you get the idea) then it becomes something else. The odds are about a TRILLION to one for that many occuring on one day.

The money trai is easy if they higher out of country. Who's to know? More than half of the hijackers were Saudi's, yet we attack Iraq? It is extremely plausible/possible for someone to higher Saudi, Pakistan, or Isreal to do the job.

By the way.... Most of the people in the truth movement do not claim that this was PLANNED by Bush! This was planned for years. The military industrial complex is more than likely to be part of this than anyone. Bush did know though!

Secret Service was definatly told not to do their job on 9/11 with Bush. The notion that "he did not want to scare the kids" is just another smoke screen. If that were the case, he would not have told the WORLD on live TV that we were under attack in front of those kids. I'm sure this scared them more then just calmly getting up and dealing with the situation in another room. Don't you think?

I will look for that article in the mean time. I will be back later, as I have some things to do.

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Old 27th December 2006, 10:36 AM   #335
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"Question 1

Do you believe that two jet liners collided with the twin towers on 9/11?

Now if the answer to this is 'no' then you don't have to bother with the next question which is a bit more detailed."

Yes I believe planes hit the building. The question is what type of planes and where they the planes we are told.

"So the question is if one imagines that the government staged the event in order to advance a private agenda why did they go to what I'm sure you'll agree is a enormous undertaking in order to make the towers collapse."
Use the quote function, as that allows us to easily look at the original context of your quotes.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:40 AM   #336
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They were on their last waiver.... I can't remember where I read it, I will look for that.

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Old 27th December 2006, 10:40 AM   #337
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I will look for that article in the mean time. I will be back later, as I have some things to do.
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Perhaps when you come back you could provide sources for all of your info.
If possible the original printed source would be nice, paraphrasing is also not allowed.
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Perhaps when you come back you could provide sources for all of your info.
If possible the original printed source would be nice, paraphrasing is also not allowed.
Also check out this forum's help section. It's bound to have an entry about the quote function.
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Originally Posted by RemoveBush View Post

"Question 1

Do you believe that two jet liners collided with the twin towers on 9/11?

Now if the answer to this is 'no' then you don't have to bother with the next question which is a bit more detailed."

Yes I believe planes hit the building. The question is what type of planes and where they the planes we are told.

"So the question is if one imagines that the government staged the event in order to advance a private agenda why did they go to what I'm sure you'll agree is a enormous undertaking in order to make the towers collapse."
Where were these alleged "questions" asked? I think you're serving yourself some easy questions to answer, so it looks like you'll be willing to answer questions when you're not. Please provide links to the post that presented these questions, or we'll just have to assume you faked them all.

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Here is something it sounds like you are not aware of? Did you know that the towers were about to be CONDEMED? They were on their last waiver.... I can't remember where I read it, I will look for that.
Oh, how convienient, you can't remember where you heard it!

Perhaps you could explain why Mr. Silverstein would get himself involved in a long-term lease on a property that was about to be condemned? Is he just the worst billionaire landowner in history?


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The money trai is easy if they higher out of country. Who's to know? More than half of the hijackers were Saudi's, yet we attack Iraq? It is extremely plausible/possible for someone to higher Saudi, Pakistan, or Isreal to do the job.
Okay, "trai" is an honest typo, but "Higher"? That's just the completely wrong word, and you used it twice! Learn to use proper English, and you won't come across as an uneducated boob.

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I will look for that article in the mean time. I will be back later, as I have some things to do.
Sure, you just go "look". We'll be here waiting for your admission that you just made that all up.

Oh, and those links I asked for.
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:56 AM   #340
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Did you know that the towers were about to be CONDEMED?
Wrong.

So it is your contention that 9/11 was a big insurance fraud scheme?
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Old 27th December 2006, 10:57 AM   #341
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Wow. Just wow. Let's see if I can put this all together for RemovedBrain:

The towers were condemned (probably the asbestos stuff again, no doubt). It was going to cost a lot of money to bring them up to code, so Silverstein goes to GWB, and tells him he's going to use the "plane crash" scenario that is in his secret decoder ring.

All the WTC buildings are pre-wired for demolition, and the dummy planes are ready.

The passengers for the flights that were going to take off are abducted and killed, so they don't have to fly real passenger jets into the building. (I know, makes my head hurt typing it!)

The dummy jets are flown into the buildings, and after a pre-arranged time, the demo charges are set off, killing everyone above the impact points.

GWB, Silverstein high-five each other for a job well done.

My only question is; how can anybody be so twisted as to think like this?

I feel dirty just typing it, and I know it's fantasy!
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:02 AM   #342
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The towers were condemned (probably the asbestos stuff again, no doubt). It was going to cost a lot of money to bring them up to code, so Silverstein goes to GWB, and tells him he's going to use the "plane crash" scenario that is in his secret decoder ring.
You left out the fact that, being unable to obtain a paper shreader at Staples, Larry Silverstein (who secretly controls the FDNY) ordered his evil firefighting minions to blow up WTC 7 to destroy "the secret documents" stored there.
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Originally Posted by JimBenArm View Post
Wow. Just wow. Let's see if I can put this all together for RemovedBrain:

The towers were condemned (probably the asbestos stuff again, no doubt). It was going to cost a lot of money to bring them up to code, so Silverstein goes to GWB, and tells him he's going to use the "plane crash" scenario that is in his secret decoder ring.

All the WTC buildings are pre-wired for demolition, and the dummy planes are ready.

The passengers for the flights that were going to take off are abducted and killed, so they don't have to fly real passenger jets into the building. (I know, makes my head hurt typing it!)

The dummy jets are flown into the buildings, and after a pre-arranged time, the demo charges are set off, killing everyone above the impact points.

GWB, Silverstein high-five each other for a job well done.

My only question is; how can anybody be so twisted as to think like this?

I feel dirty just typing it, and I know it's fantasy!
I dunno, Jim. I think maybe the BOTH of us have been, to a degree, Janice Lester'd by our enigmatic 28th Kingdom. Scary.

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Old 27th December 2006, 11:03 AM   #344
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Originally Posted by JimBenArm View Post
Wow. Just wow. Let's see if I can put this all together for RemovedBrain:

The towers were condemned (probably the asbestos stuff again, no doubt). It was going to cost a lot of money to bring them up to code, so Silverstein goes to GWB, and tells him he's going to use the "plane crash" scenario that is in his secret decoder ring.

All the WTC buildings are pre-wired for demolition, and the dummy planes are ready.

The passengers for the flights that were going to take off are abducted and killed, so they don't have to fly real passenger jets into the building. (I know, makes my head hurt typing it!)

The dummy jets are flown into the buildings, and after a pre-arranged time, the demo charges are set off, killing everyone above the impact points.

GWB, Silverstein high-five each other for a job well done.

My only question is; how can anybody be so twisted as to think like this?

I feel dirty just typing it, and I know it's fantasy!
How can anybody be so twisted as to think like this?

1. Their tinfoil hat is wound too tight.
2. They intend to run the world just like this after they take power.
3. They didn't renew their meds.
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How can anybody be so twisted as to think like this?

1. Their tinfoil hat is wound too tight.
2. They intend to run the world just like this after they take power.
3. They didn't renew their meds.
4. They have an emotional stake in the outcome that interferes with reasoning.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:06 AM   #346
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"Question 1

Do you believe that two jet liners collided with the twin towers on 9/11?
Yes.

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Now if the answer to this is 'no' then you don't have to bother with the next question which is a bit more detailed."

Yes I believe planes hit the building. The question is what type of planes and where they the planes we are told.
All evidence suggests they were. Feel free to post anything that shows evidence to the contrary. The key word here is "evidence".

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Here is something it sounds like you are not aware of? Did you know that the towers were about to be CONDEMED? They were on their last waiver.... I can't remember where I read it, I will look for that.
BS. It's not true at all. The towers enjoyed extremely high occupancy rates. Perhaps you should research this topic more using the sources provided on this web site.

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It was going to cost about 2 BILLION dollars to bring the buildings up to code. They were going to have to basically gut the buildings inside and out! How convienent for Larry that this happens so he does not have to spend that money but makes that kind of money?
So, what evidence do you have that Larry Silverstein made all kinds of money because of this? I started a thread here about the ridiculous idea that 9/11 was done for insurance fraud.

You will find information within that thread about the costs of the attack, as well as how much Silverstein stands to gain from insurance. That is, if you care enough about it to do some basic research.

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There sure are a lot of coincidences for 9/11! Sorry, but one two or five would be reasonable, but when you have hundreds (maybe not that high but you get the idea) then it becomes something else. The odds are about a TRILLION to one for that many occuring on one day.
Care to explain how exactly you calculated these probabilities?
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"Carcinogens, is why?!? Geez! That's why your knot an EnginEar, see?!? Some woods is stronger than steal even! Like walnuts and cherries wood and Birch Society wood. Plus like wood don't rust very much of a whole lot either so it lasts Longer than most Steal witch can rust even if its Stainless! Its reely the TERMITES man! Even Shills shud no about Termites! If you have the wood struckchoor then you got Termytes and THEN you have to have a big tank at the Top of the Bilding full of Insecktoside. Like they'd open the valves on that Big Tank Every six months or so to kill the little termyte buggers. But what if like the Tank Watchers up top had a fist Fight or something and one fell into the valve and it opened during The day?!? Then peeple would breethe the Insecktaside and get cancer and Sue the shill Reel Estate Develuppers and then that would be the End of collecting Rent and no more trillian of dollors for the Corporatist LandLourdes!!!"


I know exactly what you mean and I think I'm developing a serious problem
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:11 AM   #348
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2. They intend to run the world just like this after they take power.
That gets my vote.
The woowoo's have this unsavoury tendency to accuse others of what they themselves would be capable of.

Alex Jones is a prime example...you just know that in jones's utopia atheism, socialism, judaism and homosexuality (sound familiar?) would not be tolerated, and of course those FEMA death camps are just what he'll be building.

Luckily for sane and rational people the woowoo's will never have any power anywhere...ever. I'm constantly surprised they have managed to master the computer on/off switch, and even then I suspect someone else deals with that technical detail for them.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:15 AM   #349
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Oh, boy! I get to post the 911myths.com link before anyone else!


http://911myths.com/html/losing_money_at_the_wtc_.html
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:17 AM   #350
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Then wouldn't airline Boeing jets filled with fuel suffise to demolish them? Isn't the controlled demolition unnecessary?
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Not according to the project manager. On tape says that he believes, not that means much, that the building would survive MULTIPLE airplane hits.
Would survive the impact I imagine. But wouldn't you agree that uncontrolled fires would eventually weaken the structure to the point of collapse?

If there had been explosives used, where were they planted exactly, on what floors?
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:18 AM   #351
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I would just like to add to my previous post that not ALL CTers are complete woowoos bent on world domination...there are some such as 'ref' and.... ummmm.... well... erm.... oh russell pickering and umm ummmmmm well, I'm sure there are others, anyway some who have genuine but misguided concerns about the official account of 9/11 and are willing to debate those issues in a sane manner.

Unfortunately there has been an upsurge in the more mentally deranged woowoo in recent days, possibly as a result of the spanking Gravy gave to avery and bermas.

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Old 27th December 2006, 11:21 AM   #352
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So, putting that all together, the CT assumption is that Global Guardian was rescheduled (possible but unconfirmed), that the rescheduling was a political, rather than a military decision (something for which there is no evidence whatsoever), and that because Cheney was in charge of war games he must be behind it (even though the assumption behind that is fundamentally flawed & there's not the faintest evidence he did anything of the kind).
I don't see where the CTists are trying to go with that one. How would this help prove there was a conspiracy? If 9/11 was supposed to have been on 10/11, what difference would that have made?
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:22 AM   #353
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4. They have an emotional stake in the outcome that interferes with reasoning.
There is always one more thing!

But that's true...they believe this stuff so much, the belief means they have to push out all rational and logical evidence to the contrary.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:22 AM   #354
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Unfortunately there has been an upsurge in the more mentally deranged woowoo in recent days, possibly as a result of the spanking Gravy gave to avery and bermas.
and 28K. 28K was forced to morph into RB.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:25 AM   #355
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Originally Posted by pomeroo View Post
"Carcinogens, is why?!? Geez! That's why your knot an EnginEar, see?!? Some woods is stronger than steal even! Like walnuts and cherries wood and Birch Society wood. Plus like wood don't rust very much of a whole lot either so it lasts Longer than most Steal witch can rust even if its Stainless! Its reely the TERMITES man! Even Shills shud no about Termites! If you have the wood struckchoor then you got Termytes and THEN you have to have a big tank at the Top of the Bilding full of Insecktoside. Like they'd open the valves on that Big Tank Every six months or so to kill the little termyte buggers. But what if like the Tank Watchers up top had a fist Fight or something and one fell into the valve and it opened during The day?!? Then peeple would breethe the Insecktaside and get cancer and Sue the shill Reel Estate Develuppers and then that would be the End of collecting Rent and no more trillian of dollors for the Corporatist LandLourdes!!!"


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Oh my God it's spreading, the Janice Lester Effect. Wreaked by the shape-shifting 28th Kingdom upon us innocent dues-paying JREFers. First me, then Sub Driver Jim and now the erudite Pomeroo. Who will be next? Which JREFer will be hopelessly ensnared in the Web of 28th Kingdom Brainification?!? Oh no. No no no...
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:27 AM   #356
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and 28K. 28K was forced to morph into RB.
My new thread on Sock Paranoia got moved, perhaps we could discuss it there.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:30 AM   #357
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That gets my vote.
The woowoo's have this unsavoury tendency to accuse others of what they themselves would be capable of.

Alex Jones is a prime example...you just know that in jones's utopia atheism, socialism, judaism and homosexuality (sound familiar?) would not be tolerated, and of course those FEMA death camps are just what he'll be building.

Luckily for sane and rational people the woowoo's will never have any power anywhere...ever. I'm constantly surprised they have managed to master the computer on/off switch, and even then I suspect someone else deals with that technical detail for them.
Mine too. These guys routinely become what they behold, for a variety of reasons. The biggest is that they project their own ideas and lives onto the machinations and behaviors of others. What they would do and do do, they believe that all people will do.

Remember, true believers think that everyone is really on their side, and just needs the veils lifted from their eyes. They really think that everyone thinks the same as them. They also slavishly adopt or take up the tactics or alleged behavior patterns of those they assail. The John Birch Society, for example, copied the Communist Party. Its founder, Robert Welch, was fascinated with Communistm and aped it slavishly.

The woowoos are not likely to take power, and they know it. That's why they talk about and hope for the collapse of Western society from external or internal forces (war, terrorism, a lousy economy, Paris Hilton winning an Oscar), which will create a power vacuum and chaos, and in that chaos, they fondly believe their army of united, well-trained, elite Robocops will spring from nowhere and march into the White House and Pentagon like well-oiled machines, and take these facilities over in the name of the leading conspiracy theorist, find the secret documents that link the Masons with the Jews and 9/11, execute the traitors to prevent counter-revolution, and restore order, discipline, and unquestioning obedience to the TRUTH.

I think Paris Hilton has better chances of winning that Oscar.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:31 AM   #358
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""Then wouldn't airline Boeing jets filled with fuel suffise to demolish them? Isn't the controlled demolition unnecessary?"

Not according to the project manager. On tape says that he believes, not that means much, that the building would survive MULTIPLE airplane hits."

Yes, and the man is dead now. Died in those towers while saving countless others. He was mistaken. Period. He also was not a structural engineer who designed the WTC.
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Wow. Just wow. Let's see if I can put this all together for RemovedBrain:

The towers were condemned (probably the asbestos stuff again, no doubt). It was going to cost a lot of money to bring them up to code, so Silverstein goes to GWB, and tells him he's going to use the "plane crash" scenario that is in his secret decoder ring.

All the WTC buildings are pre-wired for demolition, and the dummy planes are ready.

The passengers for the flights that were going to take off are abducted and killed, so they don't have to fly real passenger jets into the building. (I know, makes my head hurt typing it!)

The dummy jets are flown into the buildings, and after a pre-arranged time, the demo charges are set off, killing everyone above the impact points.

GWB, Silverstein high-five each other for a job well done.
So... Bush got his part of the deal by having a "reason" to go to Iraq, and Silverstein got his part by not having to pay for the demolition...

Wow, a conspiracy with multiple goals and agendas...

Just when you thought this thing was already complicated.
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Old 27th December 2006, 11:44 AM   #360
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Oh, boy! I get to post the 911myths.com link before anyone else!


http://911myths.com/html/losing_money_at_the_wtc_.html
Sorry, I got there first:

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BS. It's not true at all. The towers enjoyed extremely high occupancy rates. Perhaps you should research this topic more using the sources provided on this web site.


Now, I wonder if he'll actually answer questions, or if he'll just veer off on yet another tangent.
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