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Old 15th October 2018, 12:15 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
I hate to embarrass you like this, but I posted a link to her saying that earlier.
That's a flat out lie.

I looked through your posts, she never said that.

I'll give you just a bit of credit: you are mostly just lying to yourself.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:15 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
A claim based on wrong assumptions is not true simply because the outcome is true. A result matching a prediction by a psychic does not substantiate their claim.
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:16 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
The dowser said there was water. Digging up water says there was water.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:18 PM   #444
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I don't get it. If the thread is so ridiculous, why post in it or read it? I usually avoid the stuff I don't care for.
He can correct me, but maybe because this is the current state of our political discourse and there isn't much choice but to join everyone wallowing the inanity.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:19 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The dowser said there was water. Digging up water says there was water.
So we didn't disprove dowsing.
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You seem to be suggesting that not only did not taking the test prove she was lying, but so did taking the test. So that would logically lead us to conclude that she was lying regardless of whether she took the test or not.

That seems to work out okay, but still fails to address the proposition of whether or not she should take the test, which remains at odds as the two statements of "she should" and "she should never" remain incompatible.
Excellent explanation in the top paragraph.

The key to the second is not the "she should never" it is that "have taken the test." She should not have taken the test, because she has provided such an inconclusive and nebulous report that it stands as evidence against her.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

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Old 15th October 2018, 12:19 PM   #447
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The dowser said there was water. Digging up water says there was water.
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.

(I refuse to be bobbed)
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:22 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Excellent explanation in the top paragraph.

The key to the second is not the "she should never" it is that "have taken the test." She should not have taken the test, because she has provided such an inconclusive and nebulous report that it stands as evidence against her.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

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Get that verse to the President as fast as you can
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:22 PM   #449
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Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.

(I refuse to be bobbed)
The psychic said my mom had brown hair. My mom had brown hair.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:23 PM   #450
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The psychic said my mom had brown hair. My mom had brown hair.
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:23 PM   #451
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Excellent explanation in the top paragraph.

The key to the second is not the "she should never" it is that "have taken the test." She should not have taken the test, because she has provided such an inconclusive and nebulous report that it stands as evidence against her.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

Proverbs 17:28
Not to drag this out too much more, but that explanation still does not make "she should just take the test" and "she should never have taken the test" into compatible statements, except to argue that due to the results of the test, Trump changed his mind about whether she should take it.

It's probably more important to note that Trump's statements are not intended to be logical or compatible from day to day, which makes our discussion sort of irrelevant.

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Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.

(I refuse to be bobbed)
Hey, Shalamar...



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Old 15th October 2018, 12:24 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
You are committing a logical fallacy.
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Old 15th October 2018, 12:24 PM   #454
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
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Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
A claim based on wrong assumptions is not true simply because the outcome is true. A result matching a prediction by a psychic does not substantiate their claim.
I wouldn't lump in the family claims of native american ancestry with the claims of a psychic.

A psychic just makes things up (perhaps using cold reading); on the other hand, families CAN pass down information through word-of-mouth to children/descendants. Warren may be separated from native american ancestors by 6 generations, but information can easily be passed from great grand parents to children, so you'd only need a couple of generations talking about ancestry to get a partially accurate view of their background.
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Get that verse to the President as fast as you can
Will do! He will use it against warren, thanks.....

hey wait a minute, you are trying to trick me!

I almost feel like Elizabeth warren releasing the results of her 23 and me test showing she was about 1% Peruvian

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
You are committing a logical fallacy.
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
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Opinions on Warrens eligibility for affirmative action based on her DNA and feelings?
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I don't get it. If the thread is so ridiculous, why post in it or read it? I usually avoid the stuff I don't care for.
Because it would be nice if we could discuss stuff that actually matters and effects peoples lives on the same level we discuss which Star Trek uniform's shoes had the best tread pattern.
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Not to drag this out too much more, but that explanation still does not make "she should just take the test" and "she should never have taken the test" into compatible statements, except to argue that due to the results of the test, Trump changed his mind about whether she should take it.

It's probably more important to note that Trump's statements are not intended to be logical or compatible from day-to-day, which makes our discussion sort of irrelevant.
I don't think that those statements were attributed to Trump
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I wouldn't lump in the family claims of native american ancestry with the claims of a psychic.

A psychic just makes things up (perhaps using cold reading); on the other hand, families CAN pass down information through word-of-mouth to children/descendants. Warren may be separated from native american ancestors by 6 generations, but information can easily be passed from great grand parents to children, so you'd only need a couple of generations talking about ancestry to get a partially accurate view of their background.
We have no evidence that is what the grandmother was doing.
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"Big deal. Elizabeth Warren percentage of Indian between 1/32 to 1/1,024th. I.e., the same percentage chance she has of being elected president."

-- Ann Coulter (Oct 15, 2018)
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"Big deal. Elizabeth Warren percentage of Indian between 1/32 to 1/1,024th. I.e., the same percentage chance she has of being elected president."

-- Ann Coulter (Oct 15, 2018)
Lol.


Then again a lot of people here thought Trump had the same or even less of a chance of becoming president
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Opinions on Warrens eligibility for affirmative action based on her DNA and feelings?
No thanks.
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Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
DNA didn't say anything, somebody's interpretation of that DNA said something
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DNA didn't say anything, somebody's interpretation of that DNA said something
Oh for... so the DNA lab is now an evil librul agenda agent?

DNA is now an evil librul conspiracy?

How deep does this go? Were Crick and Watson in on it?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh for... so the DNA lab is now an evil librul agenda agent?

DNA is now an evil librul conspiracy?

How deep does this go? Were Crick and Watson in on it?
Science! An evil liberal conspiracy!

I await applecored getting a degree in bio-tech and giving his own interpretation of the results!
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I don't think that those statements were attributed to Trump
My bad, they seemed so much like his tweets. But those parts of them about whether she (EW) should take/have taken the test are incompatible for what it's worth.
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I think the point is that she claimed to be of Native American descent, used it on faculty bios, and professional directories. She was listed, in the Crimson newspaper, as the first Woman of Color to receive tenure at Harvard.

She gets all the accolades of being a Person of Color, and when called on it, produces a document that shows she might be between 1/320th and 1/1024th Native American.

I think that would have been much more effective had she NOT released it.
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Oh for... so the DNA lab is now an evil librul agenda agent?

DNA is now an evil librul conspiracy?

How deep does this go? Were Crick and Watson in on it?
The interpretation of evidence was not done blindly and does risk bias.
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Oh for... so the DNA lab is now an evil librul agenda agent?

DNA is now an evil librul conspiracy?

How deep does this go? Were Crick and Watson in on it?
Well, DNA can't talk. Maybe that's what they meant.
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Opinions on Warrens eligibility for affirmative action based on her DNA and feelings?
As soon as she asks for such consideration.
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Opinions on Warrens eligibility for affirmative action based on her DNA and feelings?
Let's talk about Obama's birth certificate instead!

Trump's 0 for 2 on the whole ancestry concept. Such winning!!
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DNA didn't say anything, somebody's interpretation of that DNA said something
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh for... so the DNA lab is now an evil librul agenda agent?

DNA is now an evil librul conspiracy?

How deep does this go? Were Crick and Watson in on it?
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Science! An evil liberal conspiracy!

I await applecored getting a degree in bio-tech and giving his own interpretation of the results!
applecorped is of course correct here, as I have previously shown through citations to articles.

This is not merely a DNA test, it is taking the results of the test and drawing a conclusion, a task that has not been rigorously scientifically analyzed at all.

It is junk science.
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I think the point is that she claimed to be of Native American descent, used it on faculty bios, and professional directories. She was listed, in the Crimson newspaper, as the first Woman of Color to receive tenure at Harvard.

She gets all the accolades of being a Person of Color, and when called on it, produces a document that shows she might be between 1/320th and 1/1024th Native American.

I think that would have been much more effective had she NOT released it.
Her mother had to deal with the local bigotry of being partially NA. Her family history was literally shaped by that bigotry. So, yeah, all the benefits.
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Opinions on Warrens eligibility for affirmative action based on her DNA and feelings?
She hasn't applied for such, so who cares?

Meanwhile, Kevin McCarthy and his fake tribe are rolling in government dough.
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"Big deal. Elizabeth Warren percentage of Indian between 1/32 to 1/1,024th. I.e., the same percentage chance she has of being elected president."

-- Ann Coulter (Oct 15, 2018)
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Opinion equals science now huh?


So much non skepticism here
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applecorped is of course correct here, as I have previously shown through citations to articles.

This is not merely a DNA test, it is taking the results of the test and drawing a conclusion, a task that has not been rigorously scientifically analyzed at all.

It is junk science.
Most of your articles were about 23 and me and other consumer tests. Is that what she took?
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There are many scientific limitations to the home DNA test. “These companies aren’t actually testing your ancestry at all,” says Mark Thomas, professor of evolutionary genetics at University College London. “They’re problematic in their claims to be able to infer an individual’s ancestry.”

There are a few reasons for this. First, the genetic information these DNA testing companies hold is based on living populations. When you send your spit off in a little tube, it is specific snippets, or markers, in your genome (the total collection of DNA that resides in your cells) that are being analysed, and then compared to the markers of others who are good representatives for distinct regions or ethnicities around the world. But as Thomas notes, the companies are only looking at very recent samples, from a relatively small group, in one specific database. “They are just saying: ‘If I wanted to make your genome, I could pull bits of your DNA from people all over the world who are around today. And this is just one way I could do it,’” he says.
another article

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Oh dear goddamn Jesus backflipping Christ politicians could just jiggle their keys at each other and it would be more meaningful then thus.

So the Republicans don't like the incontrovertible prove that the Democrats provided for their doubt of the claim that nobody has yet explained why anybody bothered to make.

Good. Glad we're all on the same page.
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