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9th October 2017, 02:20 PM | #201 |
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OECD healthcare spending Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK |
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12th October 2017, 07:29 AM | #202 |
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'Riot King' Brian Rossomanno Has Become the Police Department's Protest Hammer
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As we learn from this CNN article; Which should set everyone's mind to rest. He's the gold standard all his fellow officers aspire to. |
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17th October 2017, 04:03 AM | #207 |
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But, at least, this issue was addressed and corrected. In theory, it shouldn't happen again.
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17th October 2017, 07:05 PM | #208 |
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US police are amazing, it's just the civilians who don't have the training to properly interact with them.
http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/c...ing/759465001/ http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/c...deo/763499001/ |
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18th October 2017, 01:59 AM | #210 |
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18th October 2017, 04:43 PM | #214 |
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This 9-year veteran Georgia cop accidentally grabs his gun instead of his Taser and shoots a teen in the arm. Bodycamera footage included...
Originally Posted by The Telegraph
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There have been several instances of this, most notorious the “BART” shooting of a resisting suspect. The officer involved was convicted of manslaughter, as I recall.
The deputy drew the gun from his pocket? Thinking he had a Taser in there? This flies in the face of what has become standard procedure. Every department around here mandates that the Taser be carried on the opposite side of the firearm on the duty belt in a special cross-draw holster. Also, the current-model Tasers are bright yellow, and visibly “light up” when activated. You can’t just pull the trigger. I’m familiar with an earlier incident (not local) where the department had it’s officers carry the firearm in the normal position and the Taser in a “leg drop” holster on the same side. A female officer drew her firearm instead of the Taser and shot and wounded a suspect. At that time, the Taser model being sold was black. A factor here is that officers now carry so many “tools” that in the heat of a confrontation or actual fight, it requires deliberate thinking to get the right item from your belt. I carry firearm, Taser, pepper-spray, ASP baton, cuffs, and cell phone. |
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This is partially why I advocate taking guns away from most cops. They have several other weapons at there disposal that are much more appropriate for most situations. What's the effective range of taser and what is the typical range at which cops shoot suspects? Or maybe make the cops keep guns in their car with a log kept of every time they take it out?
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19th October 2017, 11:10 AM | #218 |
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20th October 2017, 11:26 AM | #219 |
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Police officers with body cameras are as likely to use force as those who don’t have them
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Under my current hypothesis, I would predict that although body cameras may have increased recording uses of unnecessary force on video, they did not result in a rise in of local prosecutors pressing charges or obtaining convictions on LEOs. If there are no consequences for unnecessary violence, there is no impetus for LEOs to change or correct their own bad behavior. The situation either does not change or gets worse.
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20th October 2017, 01:21 PM | #221 |
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I didn't realize anyone actually expected them to change behavior, at least right away. I've just thought of them as providing evidence for when cops are accused of misbehaving. Which if they have an effect on behavior would take a few highly publicized case of cops getting convicted of a crime or getting out of conviction with the video evidence.
It turns out a cop can't get convicted of littering let along murder/manslaughter in the US. Edit to add, what upchurch said. |
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21st October 2017, 06:05 AM | #225 |
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A news article that aired on NPR last night reports on a study done on the Washington DC Police department’s use of body cameras:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...zen-complaints This was a rather extensive study, and conclusions were that there was little effect on things like citizen complaints, arrests, etc. etc. |
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They noted that it does help with prosecutions. Of civilians, that is. Cops don't have to worry much about trivial irritants like that. That's what they have unions and 'internal' investigations for. Until they do have to worry about consequences for their misdeeds the cameras will have limited effect on their behavior. Maybe it needs more time. |
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In new york the cops defense for raping a teen is that it was legal sex between cops and people in their custody. And that is legal.
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Anecdote:
We have a couple of long-neglected vacant houses next door. Occasionally, we see people hanging around them who clearly shouldn't be there. When this happens, we call the police. A night or two ago, when coming home late, we saw a small light coming from the basement stairwell. For the first time, we actually debated whether or not to call. It had just turned cold and it could reasonably have been just a homeless guy trying to get out of the wind. Or, it could have been yet another before-or-after moment of some nefarious act. We couldn't tell. So, we asked ourselves: do we call and potentially risk an unnecessary shooting of someone who might just be cold? That's where we are. We rely on the police, but our trust in them has been eroded to the point that we'd almost be willing to let some things go unreported in order to prevent innocent folks from getting hurt. In the end, we did call it in. We got a call back saying that it is an empty lot (it's not), even after confirming the address. We had no indication that anyone actually checked it out and whoever it was eventually disappeared when we weren't watching, which wouldn't be hard in the dark. |
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That one seems to be a little different to the rest, and in some ways more sinister; it doesn't appear to be random brutality by individual police officers who are out of control, but rather politically motivated oppression by police officers who are very much under control.
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31st October 2017, 10:32 AM | #235 |
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Elsewhere I have pointed out that the UK is far from perfect, but that there is an acceptance that improvements are possible and desirable, which is what seems to be missing in the US. here is a recent UK story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41804382
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In New York City two police detectives are facing as much as 25 years in prison after being arrested and arraigned on a variety of charges. The incident began when two Brooklyn plainclothes officers stopped a vehicle in the Coney Island section last month and found marijuana and prescription drugs. They then placed the 18-year-old female driver under arrest, handcuffed her and placed her in their police van. They then told her two male companions that the woman would be released in a few hours and warned them not to follow the van. This is what the New York Times has reported happened next:
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Instead the woman went to a local hospital where she reported being attacked. An examination was performed in which DNA samples were taken. The city medical examiner’s office determined that it contained samples of both detectives’ sperm. The two officers were arrested Friday, immediately suspended from duty and demoted. Local news media has noted that normally when police are arrested fellow officers turn out for the arraignment in a show of support. Yet when Detectives Martins and Hall were arraigned yesterday not one off-duty officer showed up. They were released after making bail (Martins at $250,000 and Hall at $150,000). . |
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