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View Poll Results: Is it time for Joe Biden to announce he won't run for reelection?
Yes. We need someone who WILL fight tooth and nail will all available weapons. 15 48.39%
Maybe, but let's wait awhile and see if he "cowboys up" 8 25.81%
No, I'm going down with the ship with him! 5 16.13%
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Old 14th January 2022, 12:51 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Trump didn't shoot down Hillary Clinton. She spent twenty years precision-engineering her own train wreck.
Not exactly...

You are right that Trump's whining wasn't the direct cause of Clinton's defeat... But she didn't "engineer her own train wreck".

There were no real serious scandals in her background. (Nothing that could be compared unfavorably to what is in any other politician's background, if they've been around that long, and certainly less than what Trump had.) Instead, it was largely the right-wing media (largely Fox news) and Russian-supported disinformation that managed to artificially make anything in her background into "Watergate times 100", even if that particular event was really a non-issue.
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Obama, on the other hand, came up too quickly and moved too fast for anyone to draw a bead on him.
That I have to agree with.

In my opinion, the U.S. would have been much better off had Clinton won the nomination in 2008. Not that i think Obama was a bad president. (I think he was pretty good). But, the way I see it:
- After 8 years of the Shrub, anyone the Democrats put forward would have taken the White House. That would have given Clinton the victory (and probably 8 years tenure.)
- Obama was younger, a bit more charismatic, and had less political baggage than Clinton. He would have been a good candidate for 2016; someone who could have given the Democrats 3 a third consecutive term in the white house.
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Old 14th January 2022, 01:04 PM   #82
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A glimmer of hope for Biden...

From: Newsweek
Although President Joe Biden's approval rating remains low, new polling suggests that he would narrowly beat former President Donald Trump in a hypothetical matchup....results showed that 43 percent of eligible voters would cast ballots for Biden. Just 41 percent said they would vote for Trump...

(Granted it is still a long way to an election, and given the nature of the electoral college you can still win the popular vote and lose the election. However, I figure at least a few of the "boo for biden!" brigade might change their opinion if Trump actually becomes the nominee again.)

Overall, I have no idea if its good for Biden to run again, regardless of who the republican candidate is. Being an incumbent can be advantageous in an election (due to name recognition), and putting the Democratic party through a grueling primary could take away resources they might need for a general election. But, he is old, and opinion polls are worrysome.
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Old 14th January 2022, 01:57 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
A glimmer of hope for Biden...

From: Newsweek
Although President Joe Biden's approval rating remains low, new polling suggests that he would narrowly beat former President Donald Trump in a hypothetical matchup....results showed that 43 percent of eligible voters would cast ballots for Biden. Just 41 percent said they would vote for Trump...

(Granted it is still a long way to an election, and given the nature of the electoral college you can still win the popular vote and lose the election. However, I figure at least a few of the "boo for biden!" brigade might change their opinion if Trump actually becomes the nominee again.)

Overall, I have no idea if its good for Biden to run again, regardless of who the republican candidate is. Being an incumbent can be advantageous in an election (due to name recognition), and putting the Democratic party through a grueling primary could take away resources they might need for a general election. But, he is old, and opinion polls are worrysome.
Every passing second the requirements for a Democratic party victory become tougher. A "narrow" victory would be an electoral landslide for the right once you factor in the big fat thumb they have on the scales.

If the 2020 race had been a bit closer, the entire right wing would have formed up in lockstep to fudge the numbers on a couple swing states to make Trump the winner. The saving grace was that Biden won in too many states and a bunch of squishes on the right chickened out, though by the time 2024 election comes around the right wing's vote rigging schemes will be even more robust.
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I agree. It is a foregone conclusion that Biden will not run for a second term, he made it clear that he would not while he was campaigning. I also believe that he was reluctant to run even then, and actually entered the race because he was the only candidate who could have enough cross-over appeal to prevent a second trump term.

We all know he will not run again, why force the issue when we have at least a year or two to find a candidate with broad enough appeal to win 2024.

Flawed poll offers no option for waiting until a suitable candidate is available.
In addition, when Trump runs in 2022 (he will do rallies), he will look ridiculous fighting a fictional opponent for 2024 as well as still trying to win the 2020 election.
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Of course you'd say that... after all, she IS Black


I say that because it's true. She's a fighter, but she isn't charismatic.

But then, you probably thought Hillary was charismatic.
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The elephant (donkey?) in the room is Vice President Harris. It's generally assumed that the lame duck's VP will have first crack at the party's nomination in the next cycle.

If Biden abdicates his second term, that puts the prospect of President Harris front and center in everyone's minds. That may not be a prospect the DNC or Congressional Democrats want people thinking about right now.

Biden could try to settle the matter by endorsing Harris as his successor. Or by endorsing someone else. Either way, I think it gets pretty deep into can of worms territory, pretty quick. Endorsing Abrams with two years left to go in the term, and a Veep already waiting in the wings, is probably a good way to trigger a slapfight of epic proportions on that side of the aisle. Do you guys want a Democrat Trump? Because I'm pretty sure that's one way to get a Democrat Trump.
No reason for Biden to lay his cards about who his successor would be on the table this early, as it will be forever in political time before that's necessary. Especially if it's not clear who has a decent chance.

Did anyone in early 2006 think Obama had any chance at the presidency?
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A people gets the government it deserves.
So, we're doomed, in other words?
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I see this as a tactical question, I don't basically mind if they elect a house cat to the presidency if it's not a Republican cat and thus a danger to bloody liberal democracy itself. So, if it helps the anti-Republican cause that Biden would step aside, then I'm all for it, if not, not. Basically the opinion surveys will be my guides on this issue, not ideology.
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If Biden runs again, I will still vote for him, but he sure as hell isn't inspiring anybody to come out and vote.
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I saw an opinion piece the other day suggesting she should run. I would at this point support her over Biden if that was the choice. She has had the opportunity to learn from her mistakes.
Having the opportunity is nothing. Actually doing something with it is important. I would think a repeat of Clinton be Trump would probably go the same way.

As for who could be the Demsí presidential candidate, itís clear that almost everyone thinks Biden would be toast. Even more unpopular than Trump. And Harris would almost certainly be toast as well.

Itís really difficult to see anyone being a popular candidate.
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I'd rather have HRC than Harris in the Oval Office.
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I'd rather have HRC than Harris in the Oval Office.
"I'd rather have syphilis than herpes."

Dems = pure win.
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A people gets the government it deserves.
As The Onion Put it, "... but I don't remember knife raping any retarded nuns."
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He's also the Secretary of Transportation who went on leave in the middle of a national supply chain crisis.

And he's a fag which is the only thing that counts. But we can't say that because the vast left wing conspiracy is censoring the true patriots.
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The Dems made a deal with the devil and now they are confronted by buyer's remorse, not just for Biden, but for Harris as well. I think the notion was that Joe would hand off the baton to Kamala, preferably before the next election, or at the very least anoint her as his successor when he reluctantly declines to run again.

Unfortunately for the notion, she looks out of her league and it looks like they need to go to Plan B. But as others have noted the bench is pretty thin. The fact that Hillary is getting some buzz is droll and expect Michelle Obama's name to be floated eventually. Andrew Cuomo briefly looked like he might be the guy, but he crashed and burned shortly after the inauguration. Funny that.
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"I'd rather have syphilis than herpes."
The former is curable, the latter is not. That would make it more logical (if one has access to healthcare, of course) to prefer getting syphilis over herpes, even though syphilis is a more serious disease.
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The Dems made a deal with the devil and now they are confronted by buyer's remorse, not just for Biden, but for Harris as well.
Ah yes, the old 'accuse others of doing what you actually did' shtick. Are you channeling Trump?


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she looks out of her league and it looks like they need to go to Plan B.... The fact that Hillary is getting some buzz
Better the devil you know, eh?
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Not exactly...

You are right that Trump's whining wasn't the direct cause of Clinton's defeat... But she didn't "engineer her own train wreck".

There were no real serious scandals in her background. (Nothing that could be compared unfavorably to what is in any other politician's background, if they've been around that long, and certainly less than what Trump had.) Instead, it was largely the right-wing media (largely Fox news) and Russian-supported disinformation that managed to artificially make anything in her background into "Watergate times 100", even if that particular event was really a non-issue.

That I have to agree with.

In my opinion, the U.S. would have been much better off had Clinton won the nomination in 2008. Not that i think Obama was a bad president. (I think he was pretty good). But, the way I see it:
- After 8 years of the Shrub, anyone the Democrats put forward would have taken the White House. That would have given Clinton the victory (and probably 8 years tenure.)
- Obama was younger, a bit more charismatic, and had less political baggage than Clinton. He would have been a good candidate for 2016; someone who could have given the Democrats 3 a third consecutive term in the white house.


It would also have given Obama more time in the Senate to get some experience in how to deal with the likes of McConnell.
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I'd rather have HRC than Harris in the Oval Office.
You and me both. There's a reason Putin wanted Trump to win and it's not that he wanted so much for Donnie to win, but for HRC to lose.
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He's also the Secretary of Transportation who went on leave in the middle of a national supply chain crisis.
At least he's not spending most of his time on the golf course during a pandemic with thousands of people dying every day! Now, that would be something to bitch about, amirite?

The fact that Buttigieg took family leave to care for his newborn twins is disgusting! Everyone knows that's a woman's job. As Tucker Carlson said, he's trying to figure out how to breastfeed. Good job of throwing in a subtle dig at Buttigieg being gay, heh?

Of course, when FOX's Todd Piro took six weeks of paid paternity leave when his wife gave birth to their daughter, that's different because Republicans are very pro-family and he's married to woman. Totally different. It's really only bad when Dems do it.
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Something I tend to think about what appeals to habitual Democratic voters compared to Republican voters. More than ever we need someone that offers the message that appeals to people. I think a lot of Sanders supporters don't necessarily think his personality is so special, but he's got ideas that resonate with them and the courage to promote them. It doesn't have to be Sanders. What it does mean is they need someone who can message and sell policy ideas that we know are popular instead of generating a "yeah, but not the way you're gonna do it" reaction.
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No reason for Biden to lay his cards about who his successor would be on the table this early, as it will be forever in political time before that's necessary. Especially if it's not clear who has a decent chance.

Did anyone in early 2006 think Obama had any chance at the presidency?
Biden laid his cards on the table about who his successor would be the moment he picked Harris as his VP.
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This concept of a President picking his/her successor needs to just be dropped. The last time a party nominee for President had just been Vice President was in 2000 with Gore. The last Vice President who went from that job to winning election as President was Bush (the original) in 1988. Presidential candidates may be picking their running mates on the basis of intended successorship (although I doubt even that), but it just isn't how things really work as a general rule.
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It is a foregone conclusion that Biden will not run for a second term, he made it clear that he would not while he was campaigning.
Well, no.

At most, a staff member of his, speaking off the record, claimed Biden said that. On the record, Biden has consistently denied it.

That didn't stop the conservative media and talking heads from claiming he said it, but there's really no evidence that he ever did.
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Well, no.

At most, a staff member of his, speaking off the record, claimed Biden said that. On the record, Biden has consistently denied it.

That didn't stop the conservative media and talking heads from claiming he said it, but there's really no evidence that he ever did.
The conservative media has become expert at claiming something happened that, in reality, never did.
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Biden laid his cards on the table about who his successor would be the moment he picked Harris as his VP.
1. He may have had other motivations in choosing Harris, too, like getting elected, given the prominence of blacks and women in getting re-elected.

2. I presumed we were talking about a formal announcement.
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1. He may have had other motivations in choosing Harris, too, like getting elected, given the prominence of blacks and women in getting re-elected.

2. I presumed we were talking about a formal announcement.
Choosing Harris had everything to do with virtue-signaling, and securing votes from certain demographics. Obviously. Her overall campaign performance was poor.

As far as Biden, he has already sat firmly on the fence, by stating he would seek re-election if he was healthy enough. I don't see him backing away from that comfortable position, officially, anytime soon.
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Biden announcing that he would run as VP for Stacey Abrams would be a true power move.
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Ah yes, the old 'accuse others of doing what you actually did' shtick. Are you channeling Trump?


Better the devil you know, eh?
I don't care for Trump and didn't vote for him either time, so yes, I think the Republicans have made a deal with the devil (although they don't seem to be as full of buyer's remorse, unfortunately).
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Biden announcing that he would run as VP for Stacey Abrams would be a true power move.
If Biden doesn't work at the top of the ticket, I can't imagine how anybody would want him at the bottom. This would be one of those rare suggestions that insults everybody involved. Abrams because the implication is that she needs a white guy to win (even one who's showing signs of senescence)? And Biden for the obvious reason that nobody wants to be the Veep after being the big guy.
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I refused to vote in this poll because it is stupid, stupid, stupid.

Whether Biden plans to run again is irrelevant one year in to his term. He might as well resign and I see no reason to do that.
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Old 17th January 2022, 05:46 PM   #112
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I refused to vote in this poll because it is stupid, stupid, stupid.

Whether Biden plans to run again is irrelevant one year in to his term. He might as well resign and I see no reason to do that.
I tend to agree but there are already 15 votes in favor here and only 13 half-hearted nays (8 of those say maybe but let's wait awhile).
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
He might as well resign and I see no reason to do that.
He pretty much has.
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