AA Flight 11 For Sale!

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Recently I was cruising some of the turther forums when I came across this.

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Naturally my curiosity peaked when I read this. Right away I knew someone was playing a very sick joke, exactly who I'm not sure. One does not get the serial number wrong for an aircraft they are supposedly selling. Not with the kind of money that is involved.

It was sort of funny reading the reactions of the truthers. They were practically falling all over each other thinking they finally found the smoking gun. Guess it did not enter their minds that someone might be playing a game. Or that in order for it to be true AA either has to be in on the conspiracy or they are totally clueless. One of my favorite posts is this.

No one should mention Flight 11 or anything to do with 9/11 if they call this guy... at some point this will be properly investigated and it is essential that the seller not have any suspicion aroused.. is that not common sense? Otherwise we risk blowing the best lead to ever emerge in 6 years.. don't blow it guys! I am having indirect discreet inquiries placed about this, and would really urge folks to sit tight and let this play out, and not blow it by a foolish phone call... 'nuf said.

The guy said this on an open forum! Way to keep a secret there smart guy!

Then it took a rather bizarre turn. Someone supposedly contacted the person who is "selling" this aircraft. They corrected themselves and said it was N330AA, the 767 that suffered a turbine failure on the number one engine at LAX last year. Then they stated that the left wing and both engines were replaced. That's when the old BS alarms started screaming. Replacing the l/h wing would require special tooling. They also fail to mention that the aft l/h part of the fuselage has significant heat damage. The final nail in the coffin is that the keel beam of the aircraft was damaged. When this happens the aircraft is considered a write off. Which it is because it's still sitting at LAX minus the engines.
 
The stupidest people on the face of the earth.
 
Likely that will become a fire training hulk. We have several blackened hulks at the north side of O'Hare here, nigh unto the Jane Adams tollway. Several times a year some motorist sees the firemen working on one of the blazing hulks and freaks out and calls 911 and the newspapers!
 
BenBurch said:
Likely that will become a fire training hulk. We have several blackened hulks at the north side of O'Hare here, nigh unto the Jane Adams tollway. Several times a year some motorist sees the firemen working on one of the blazing hulks and freaks out and calls 911 and the newspapers!
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Once all the insurance issues have been sorted out all usable parts will be removed and the rest sold for scrap. Those hulks you see at airports are steel tubes made to look like an airliner. The problem with using an old airframe for firefighting training is that you would only be able to use it once.
 
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how can you be anything but stupid when you think that the world begins and ends on the internet.

TAM:)
 
Do you think they'll all chip in to buy it? That would be worth seeing.
 
Too late...

This aircaft is no longer avilable for sale or lease by Atlas Aviation, click here to goto our Large Transport Jet category for other 767-200ER aircraft for sale.
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"I'm telling you Scully, it was right here!"
 
Sometimes when I laugh at these kind of things I have that cruel feeling you get like you're laughing at some drunk tramp who has just wet their pants.
 
AMTMAN said:
Once all the insurance issues have been sorted out all usable parts will be removed and the rest sold for scrap. Those hulks you see at airports are steel tubes made to look like an airliner. The problem with using an old airframe for firefighting training is that you would only be able to use it once.
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Of course you are right. I never thought about it before. :o
 
Sometimes when I laugh at these kind of things I have that cruel feeling you get like you're laughing at some drunk tramp who has just wet their pants.
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Remember parents and teachers telling me not nice to laugh and ridicule the retarded
kid because they couldn't help it. Make exception for twofers.....
 
Has anyone else looked at these pictures that were posted in that thread and thought the same thought that I had?

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Hmmm, That rotor hub certainly doesn’t look 13’ in diameter to me. LOL
 
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apathoid said:
My God, even after the semi-sensible idiot posted that he contacted the seller by pretending to be a potential buyer and confirmed that the seller was indeed talking about the engine fire plane(ship 330, not 334), several PfT morons still can't bring themselves to belive it was a simple typo. I didn't know people who know how to operate a computer can be so mind-numbingly stupid.

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Not using a computer but still stupid, should be a Darwin runner up.

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apathoid said:
My God, even after the semi-sensible idiot posted that he contacted the seller by pretending to be a potential buyer and confirmed that the seller was indeed talking about the engine fire plane(ship 330, not 334), several PfT morons still can't bring themselves to belive it was a simple typo. I didn't know people who know how to operate a computer can be so mind-numbingly stupid.

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I think the whole thing is a huge scam. If someone was trying to sell N330AA and said it was repaired that is a total fabrication. The aircraft is beyond economic repair. And I have a hard time believing it was a typo. Also, anyone who's looking to buy an aircraft is going to know the history on that aircraft. There's a paper work trail a mile long on any commercial airliner.
 
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AMTMAN said:
I think the whole thing is a huge scam. If someone was trying to sell N330AA and said it was repaired that is a total fabrication. The aircraft is beyond economic repair.
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Who decides if the airplane gets written off? AA inspection, Boeing, the owner/lessor, the insurance company..? We basically had the exact same thing happen to an MD-11 here and after about a year in limbo(the plane just sat at the Delta North ramp at ATL), they found a buyer and the plane was eventually repaired and sold to UPS.

I have a hard time believing it was a typo. Also, anyone who's looking to buy an aircraft is going to know the history on that aircraft.
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I dunno about that. The airplane still had some value(we sold all of our -200s; so there is a market) and if somebody wanted to pay for a wing and 2 refurbed CF-6s - I'm sure a deal could have happened. See above.
 
AMTMAN said:
Also, anyone who's looking to buy an aircraft is going to know the history on that aircraft. There's a paper work trail a mile long on any commercial airliner.
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Speaking of that, let's change the subject to something much more interesting. How does one determine the ownership history of a given aircraft? I'd like to know how I can find out the histories of the four airplanes crashed on 9/11, including who owned them and what airlines flew them. Is that possible?

What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?

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Arie Egozi/TEL AVIV

El Al is planning to save money by selling its Boeing 757 and 767 fleets and boosting its 737s and 777s to reduce the number of aircraft types it operates.

The Israeli national airline operates six all-Boeing fleets - 737s, 747-200s, 747-400s, 757s, 767s and 777s - but intends to sell its eight 757s and six 767s in order to purchase more 737-800/900s and 777s. El Al operates two 737-700s, three 737-800s and one 777, with two more on order. A fifth 747-400 is also an option, while the 747-200s will be sold.
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http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11489747_ITM
 
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A-Train said:
What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11489747_ITM
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You just can't help yourself, can you? I wouldn't know where to start with this latest scenario of yours. Are you going to think it through, or do you need the painfully obvious pointed out to you? C'mon. Google is your friend(in this case).
 
apathoid said:
Who decides if the airplane gets written off? AA inspection, Boeing, the owner/lessor, the insurance company..? We basically had the exact same thing happen to an MD-11 here and after about a year in limbo(the plane just sat at the Delta North ramp at ATL), they found a buyer and the plane was eventually repaired and sold to UPS.




I dunno about that. The airplane still had some value(we sold all of our -200s; so there is a market) and if somebody wanted to pay for a wing and 2 refurbed CF-6s - I'm sure a deal could have happened. See above.
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Who ever the lien holder is I would imagine. The word we got was that that keel beam was damaged. Add to that a wing that is unrepairable, heat damage to the fuselage and the need for two engines that adds up to a hefty repair bill. Especially when you consider that there are 767's in the desert that don't need any kind of repair work. And as I have already said it's more than just a new wing and two engines.

Maybe I'm missing something, I just don't know what.
 
And before 9/11 Easyjet, Ryanair and a whole load of other european budget airlines were buying second hand airliners, as at the time, the air travel market was GROWING. Now isn't that a wacky coincidence A Train..... ?
 
A-Train said:
Speaking of that, let's change the subject to something much more interesting. How does one determine the ownership history of a given aircraft? I'd like to know how I can find out the histories of the four airplanes crashed on 9/11, including who owned them and what airlines flew them. Is that possible?

What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11489747_ITM
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You're kidding me right. If I didn't know any better I would say you were trying to get a reaction out of people. After all, who could be so twisted as to try and blame the Jews by implying it was ex-El Al aircraft that were used.

Here's a news flash for you A-Train, two of the aircraft belonged to United and two belonged to American. And by the way, how do you know they actually sold them prior to 9-11? El Al still operates 757 and 767 aircraft. Is this a case of you just assuming they were actually sold?
 
AMTMAN said:
Who ever the lien holder is I would imagine. The word we got was that that keel beam was damaged. Add to that a wing that is unrepairable, heat damage to the fuselage and the need for two engines that adds up to a hefty repair bill. Especially when you consider that there are 767's in the desert that don't need any kind of repair work. And as I have already said it's more than just a new wing and two engines.

Maybe I'm missing something, I just don't know what.
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Yeah, that's understandable. But like I said, we had an airplane with similar circumstances that did sell(replaced wing, pylon, engine, reskinned fuselage section, replaced stringers, floor beams, etc..) - and if someone was looking to buy a 767 on the cheap, they might've been interested if the airplane was deemed repairable.

Also, if you do a quick googling on Atlas Aviation and Ronni Chowdry, you'll see that they have a few other aircraft, including a couple of other 767s for sale, so they appear to be legit. Its also not clear what the status of the airplane is. Some aircraft registry database sites say it's "Stored" and some say "Written Off". My guess is the latter, which is why is the aircraft is no longer for sale.
 
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apathoid said:
Yeah, that's understandable. But like I said, we had an airplane with similar circumstances that did sell(replaced wing, pylon, engine, reskinned fuselage section, replaced stringers, floor beams, etc..) - and if someone was looking to buy a 767 on the cheap, they might've been interested if the airplane was deemed repairable.

Also, if you do a quick googling on Atlas Aviation and Ronni Chowdry, you'll see that they have a few other aircraft, including a couple of other 767s for sale, so they appear to be legit. Its also not clear what the status of the airplane is. Some aircraft registry database sites say it's "Stored" and some say "Written Off". My guess is the latter, which is why is the aircraft is no longer for sale.
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With an MD-11 I could understand going the extra mile to repair it since there are so few out there. By the way, what happened with that MD-11?

With the 767 there have been almost a thousand aircraft delivered so far in it's production life. So it's not like there's a shortage. Especially now that a lot of airlines have either replaced their 767's with A330's or are gearing up for the 787 and A350. As for the repair work there's the issue of the damaged keel beam. Usually when that's mentioned people get real hinky about it.
 
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Speaking of that, let's change the subject to something much more interesting. How does one determine the ownership history of a given aircraft? I'd like to know how I can find out the histories of the four airplanes crashed on 9/11, including who owned them and what airlines flew them. Is that possible?

What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?
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Here you go Sherlock.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/El Al-active-b767.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/El Al-history-b757.htm

El Al never sold any of their 767s, and didn't sell any 757's to either UA or AA.

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AMTMAN said:
With an MD-11 I could understand going the extra mile to repair it since there are so few out there. By the way, what happened with that MD-11?
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#3 had a tail pipe fire during an engine run after a C-check. Rumor has it that the fire warning and fire bottle breakers were still out. They didn't get fuel cut off until the wing was on fire.

The guys doing the run had a bad day, to say the least.

Couldn't find any pics, but here is the relevant thread from pprune:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112090


With the 767 there have been almost a thousand aircraft delivered so far in it's production life. So it's not like there's a shortage. Especially now that a lot of airlines have either replaced their 767's with A330's or are gearing up for the 787 and A350. As for the repair work there's the issue of the damaged keel beam. Usually when that's mentioned people get real hinky about it.
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Yeah, I agree. I just don't think this is a case of someone trying to yank the twoofers chains. I'm more worried about that turbine disk....:p
 
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apathoid said:
#3 had a tail pipe fire during an engine run after a C-check. Rumor has it that the fire warning and fire bottle breakers were still out. They didn't get fuel cut off until the wing was on fire.

The guys doing the run had a bad day, to say the least.

Couldn't find any pics, but here is the relevant thread from pprune:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112090





Yeah, I agree. I just don't think this is a case of someone trying to yank the twoofers chains. I'm more worried about that turbine disk....:p
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Especially when parts of it end up going through the keel beam. ;)

To be honest I'm not sure what to think about this whole thing.
 
A-Train said:
Speaking of that, let's change the subject to something much more interesting. How does one determine the ownership history of a given aircraft? I'd like to know how I can find out the histories of the four airplanes crashed on 9/11, including who owned them and what airlines flew them. Is that possible?

What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11489747_ITM
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:dl: You know you can dig yourself into a hole so deep that the dirt you are trying to throw out of the pit lands back on top of your head.
 
A-Train said:
What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?
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This one post, full of ignorance at innumerable levels.
 
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A-Train said:
What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?
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Err... what's your point? Or are you just throwing out random irrelevancies again?
 
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A-Train said:
What makes it so interesting is that I have learned that El Al, Israel's national airline, sold several 767s and 757s in the months before the 9/11 attacks. Wouldn't it be quite a coincidence if these planes, sold by a nation that benefitted immensely from the attacks, ended up being used by the terrorists on 9/11?
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This one seems to have slipped past most people. I must confess, A-Train, I'm curious. Tell me more.

-Gumboot
 
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