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Old 19th January 2008, 04:26 PM   #1
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Sylvia Browne - Ghost in the TV

On the Jan 16 2008 Montel show, a woman told a story of her son (or nephew, I forget which) playing video games in her basement when the lights went out. He used the light frmo his cell phone to find the breaker box.

Later, he found he had accidentally taken a photo of the television screen in the dark, and, lo and behold, there was a spooky picture of a little boy (see below). He showed it to her several days later.

Browne confirmed it was a ghost, gave the boy's name, and said he had died from a fall. His mother also haunted the house.

The picture of the boy on the TV screen looks very much like something from a morror movie or video game, and I was wondering if anyone here could identify it as such. Is it fram The Ring? The Grudge? From a video game made from one of these?

Just a shot. If we can identify it, it will make for a good SSB article.

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Old 19th January 2008, 05:56 PM   #2
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I've seen this and can't remember! I'll look through my horror DVDs and see if I can find the still.

Edit: Off the top of my head, I think it's The Grudge II, the American remake. Mind you, so many movies have been made using the corpse on the tv screen gag it hard to remember them all.

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Old 19th January 2008, 06:09 PM   #3
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Me too. I have the funniest feeling I've seen this before...and I've never even seen any of those crappy movies.
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Old 19th January 2008, 06:24 PM   #4
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It's definitely one of the fleeting, in camera effects shock shots that originated with the Asia Extreme horror movies. It was a good SFX in the beginning when Ju-on came out, but now it's cliché.

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Old 19th January 2008, 06:35 PM   #5
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Yeah, no kidding. It's now in every stripe of horror film from remakes of Asian horror flicks to The Sixth Sense knockoffs to slasher flicks to Dead Teenager Movies.

I'm betting it's an American film because you never see Asian movies regularly shown on TV, even on cable.
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Old 19th January 2008, 06:35 PM   #6
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Could it be the kid from The Devil's Backbone? I didn't get all the way through that movie and I don't remember it very well, but that's the first thing that I thought of.

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Old 19th January 2008, 06:54 PM   #7
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Good one! I don't have the Grudge II, but I have that one on DVD. Let me look.

Eeney: A lot of these horror flicks are on Sundance and IFC. Sundance has Asia Extreme on Sunday nights at midnight. In fact, look at the flash promo.
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Old 19th January 2008, 07:17 PM   #8
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If we're looking at games I'd guess Resident Evil or Dead Rising, but then again what was on the screen just before it went off may have looked more human than it does in that picture.
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Old 19th January 2008, 07:41 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash View Post
Good one! I don't have the Grudge II, but I have that one on DVD. Let me look.

Eeney: A lot of these horror flicks are on Sundance and IFC. Sundance has Asia Extreme on Sunday nights at midnight. In fact, look at the flash promo.
Oh, allright...I actually really enjoyed the original Japanese version of Dark Water and I remember that being on cable once.

Based on the Caucasian actor, I still think we can narrow it down to an American film made in the last 3 or 4 years, though. If it is a film, that is.
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Old 19th January 2008, 08:04 PM   #10
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This should be Google's next project. A search engine that searches for other images that are similar to the one you upload into the search engine.

That way you just upload the picture, and google comes back with all these pictures that either are identical, or have very similar qualities.
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Old 19th January 2008, 08:23 PM   #11
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Ok, I'm probably wrong but I think that if it's a movie, it might be The Ring 2.

Does anyone have a copy of that?
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Old 19th January 2008, 09:14 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by RSLancastr View Post
Browne confirmed it was a ghost, gave the boy's name, and said he had died from a fall. His mother also haunted the house.
It was nice of the ghost boy to bring some haunted background scenery with him...
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Does the "FOX" in the lower right give a clue? I cannot make out what is in the lower left of the screen.
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Old 19th January 2008, 09:47 PM   #14
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Does the "FOX" in the lower right give a clue? I cannot make out what is in the lower left of the screen.
That just means that the Montel episode was recorded off of FOX television. The other logo is the logo for the Montel show.
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Old 19th January 2008, 09:54 PM   #15
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Someone on Yahoo answers has suggested 'The Devil's Backbone' but I'm not convinced. The eyebrows look different to me.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9200251AAZbmvt

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
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Old 19th January 2008, 11:08 PM   #16
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I can tell you now that it's not the Ring or the Ring II. Both of those movies had a ghost girl with long hair that was frequently obscuring her face. I haven't seen the Japanese version of either, however I'd imagine it's the same.

The Grudge is a possibility, but I doubt it. Both of those in both the Japanese and American versions had a little boy as one of the ghostly characters, but in both he was asian, doesn't really look like the cat in the still there to me.

The Devil's Backbone...never seen it, but it looks similar. If we could make out the background it'd be easier to identify the movie, if it was a movie. Could be a photoshopped picture burned to a DVD and put on the TV for all I know.
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where did you find the image?
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Old 19th January 2008, 11:20 PM   #18
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Sylvia sans makeup???
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Old 19th January 2008, 11:28 PM   #19
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Maybe Pulse?
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Something even simpler. The son took a picture of his own reflection in the TV. We do not know what the son looked like.
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Something even simpler. The son took a picture of his own reflection in the TV. We do not know what the son looked like.
Why don't you try that?
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Something even simpler. The son took a picture of his own reflection in the TV. We do not know what the son looked like.
I considered that. They showed the son/nephew in the segment. It does not look like him.
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Old 19th January 2008, 11:48 PM   #23
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I just tried it... it won't look anything like that.
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I considered that. They showed the son/nephew in the segment. It does not look like him.
And it doesn't look anything like the kind of shot you'd get of your own reflection. The lighting's all wrong.

I can almost guarantee it's not from The Devil's Backbone. Looks similar to the ghost kid in that movie, but it's definitely not him. (And if you haven't seen that movie, do yourself a favor and rent it some time.)
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I just scanned through Pulse and The Grudge, and it doesn't seem to be from either... I'll probably try some more movies tomorrow.

Or, we could wait a week... this seems like it could be an awesome hoax!
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Looks to me like a still from a music video. Can't quite put my finger on which one though...

Cranberries?
Garbage?
Marilyn Manson?
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I cannot duplicate the image using my hypothesis. However the image is rather odd. If the TV was on, even for a video game where is the rest of the picture? If it was an accidental picture I would expect the TV to be only part of the picture. The rest of the image would be the TV and some of the room.

This indicates that the image has been manipulated. What we need is the original image. Anything else is just a wild guess.
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Wha...you all mean that pic ISN'T of a ghost kid???
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I am sure this is from The Ring 2... the boy in the story was suffering from an incurable disease... he had nosebleeds through the entire film. At the end he decides to volunteer to join the girl to end her curse. After that his image appears with her on all the tapes...IIRC.

Also with the lights out, the camera could have captured the last few seconds of the screens after image due to the power failure... my screen glows for quite a few seconds when I turn it off while watching in the dark.

But if I was a betting man I would probably put money on Hoax.
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It's not the boy from the Grudge - his face was much rounder, and I believe he stayed more or less centre screen, and was filmed from further back.

The angle etc reminds me more of a music video. Someone like the Cranberries, Sinead O'Connor, or Muse maybe.

Is there a bigger version online anywhere to allow us to look at some of the details? There's a little box to the right, and some stuff at the top of the screen. I would guess this could be a near impossible search, however, as it could cover anything from films games and music vids to home vids and advertisements.

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Links to Grudge pics

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/04333...=0433386&seq=4

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/03643...th_key=0364385

http://www.trailerfan.com/movie/the_...pictures/17388

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I hope someone finds out who he is soon because he's scaring me.
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I don't suppose it occurred to the mother/aunt to search the archives of her local newspaper for a report of a child being killed in a fall? If the accident happened in the woman's home and Sylvia gave her the boy's name she might have had a good chance of verifying the story.

Not that there was anything to verify, of course...
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It looks like overlighted Milla Jovovich, could colours be somewhat wrong? Background seems like castle wall or graveyard..

or if not, Gremlins-didit:
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Something even simpler. The son took a picture of his own reflection in the TV. We do not know what the son looked like.
People are overlooking one thing- the scan line at the top of the screen. (that white line through the boy's hair) When you take a photo of a TV screen and use a slow shutter speed, you get scan lines. That shows the TV was on and the picture was part of TV transmission and not a reflection.

Robert, the scan line itself will negate the statement given by the woman.
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Originally Posted by Thrawn_52 View Post
I am sure this is from The Ring 2... the boy in the story was suffering from an incurable disease... he had nosebleeds through the entire film. At the end he decides to volunteer to join the girl to end her curse. After that his image appears with her on all the tapes...IIRC.
I haven't seen the movie, but some quick Googling brought up pictures of the actor in question, David Dorfman, that make me think it could be him:

http://us.vdc.imdb.com/gallery/ss/03...th_key=0377109

On the other hand, this spoiler-filled recap doesn't sound like the movie you describe.
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Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash View Post
People are overlooking one thing- the scan line at the top of the screen. (that white line through the boy's hair) When you take a photo of a TV screen and use a slow shutter speed, you get scan lines. That shows the TV was on and the picture was part of TV transmission and not a reflection.

Robert, the scan line itself will negate the statement given by the woman.
I agree that the line could be important. But i think it looks more like the kind of lines that happens with a paused vhs-tape.
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I agree that the line could be important. But i think it looks more like the kind of lines that happens with a paused vhs-tape.
Could very well be. It follows the curve of the screen. It's apparent this is a CRT tv and not a flat panel.
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Originally Posted by Thrawn_52 View Post
I am sure this is from The Ring 2... the boy in the story was suffering from an incurable disease... he had nosebleeds through the entire film. At the end he decides to volunteer to join the girl to end her curse. After that his image appears with her on all the tapes...IIRC.

Are you certain this happened in the movie? I don't remember that at all.
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Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash View Post
People are overlooking one thing- the scan line at the top of the screen. (that white line through the boy's hair) When you take a photo of a TV screen and use a slow shutter speed, you get scan lines. That shows the TV was on and the picture was part of TV transmission and not a reflection.

Robert, the scan line itself will negate the statement given by the woman.
I didn't over look it - I considered it, and decided I wasn't able to judge either way. What if any spectral visitor was using the technology available to get through? I'm sure that's how tellers of various weird stories pass this and white noise voices off as possible.
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