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Old 20th February 2008, 02:17 PM   #1
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Barack Obama - a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln?

Some quotes from the beginning of Abraham Lincoln's Words:
Abraham Lincoln knew words were important. His penchant for stories both prevented him from miscommunication and forced his listeners to think about what he intended to say. He understood the nature of the relationship between the leader and his audience. Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote that in Lincolnís time: "The principal weapon of political combatants was the speech. A gift for oratory was the key to success in politics. Even as a child, Lincoln had honed his skills by addressing his companions from a tree stump. Speeches on important occasions were exhaustively researched and closely reasoned, often lasting three or four hours. There was demagoguery, of course, but there were also metaphor and references to literature and classical history and occasionally, as with some of Lincolnís speeches, a lasting literary glory."

Mr. Lincoln began his public speaking very early Ė imitating the style and sermons of preachers for fellow children in Indiana. As a young man in Illinois his speaking ability came as a surprise to listeners Ė especially when compared to his rough and rude appearance. ...

Simplicity and logic were the foundations of Mr. Lincolnís communication. He was more plain spoken than most noted speakers of his day. ...
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Old 20th February 2008, 03:20 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by wogoga View Post
Some quotes from the beginning of Abraham Lincoln's Words:
Abraham Lincoln knew words were important. His penchant for stories both prevented him from miscommunication and forced his listeners to think about what he intended to say. He understood the nature of the relationship between the leader and his audience. Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote that in Lincolnís time: "The principal weapon of political combatants was the speech. A gift for oratory was the key to success in politics. Even as a child, Lincoln had honed his skills by addressing his companions from a tree stump. Speeches on important occasions were exhaustively researched and closely reasoned, often lasting three or four hours. There was demagoguery, of course, but there were also metaphor and references to literature and classical history and occasionally, as with some of Lincolnís speeches, a lasting literary glory."

Mr. Lincoln began his public speaking very early Ė imitating the style and sermons of preachers for fellow children in Indiana. As a young man in Illinois his speaking ability came as a surprise to listeners Ė especially when compared to his rough and rude appearance. ...

Simplicity and logic were the foundations of Mr. Lincolnís communication. He was more plain spoken than most noted speakers of his day. ...
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Let's examine all the similarities:

Lincoln served only one term in Congress before running for President. Obama has served only one term in the Senate before running for President.

Aside from the fact that both spouses share the the same penchant for inane comments, that's the end of that comparison.

Not to mention Lincoln was a Republican and obama is considered the most liberal politician of his time.
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Old 20th February 2008, 03:42 PM   #5
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Not to mention Lincoln was a Republican and obama is considered the most liberal politician of his time.
By whom? Is "of his time" related to one year in the Senate?

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Except they are both from Illinois, I can't see many simlaraties.
And although Obama has a way with words, I have not seen any "Gettysburg Addresses" from him yet.
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Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
Not to mention Lincoln was a Republican and obama is considered the most liberal politician of his time.
1. There's a huge difference between being the Senator having the most liberal voting record (according to some organization and votes done in one year) and being the most liberal politician. I mean, there's a self-described socialist (Bernie Sanders, junior senator from Vermont) in the Senate. I'll admit he's not exactly a moderate, though.

2. There's a huge difference between the Republicans of 1860 and the Republicans of 2008. Besides ending slavery which both parties today would agree with him on, Lincoln (well, more the Republican congress of his time, but he signed the bills into law) raised tariffs, funded the transcontinental railroad, created land-grant universities, and created the first income tax.

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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
By whom? Is "of his time" related to one year in the Senate?
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ " Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007" It's based on the percentage of times the senator voted the liberal position in a given vote. Hillary actually voted more times and voted the liberal position more times but the percentage of liberal votes in her votes worked out to be somewhat less.

Personally I don't think there's a dimes worth of difference between them on most social issues. Hillary *might* act a little more responsibly than Obama when it comes to foreign policy but she's also a lot more likely to act illegally during her term in office.

By the way, Obama was only 10th in 2006 and 16th in 2005, his first year in the Senate. But still, being in the bottom 20% in the current Senate would have to make him one of the most liberal ever.
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Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
Let's examine all the similarities:

Lincoln served only one term in Congress before running for President. Obama has served only one term in the Senate before running for President.

Aside from the fact that both spouses share the the same penchant for inane comments, that's the end of that comparison.

Not to mention Lincoln was a Republican and obama is considered the most liberal politician of his time.
Sorry,but Obama is NOT the most Liberal Politician of his time.That is foolish,at least three of the other Democratic contenders...Edwards,Kucinich,and Gravel...were well to the left of Obama,who seems to be doing everything in his power to be seen an an centrists.
And that is just Democratic presedential contenders. There are quite a few Democratic Congressmen who are well to the left of Obama.
And don't forget,that in 1860 the Republicans were very much the liberal,anti slavery party.
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Barack Obama - a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln?


So...Lincoln freed the slaves because he was a self-serving psychic?
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Old 21st February 2008, 04:43 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by UserGoogol View Post
2. There's a huge difference between the Republicans of 1860 and the Republicans of 2008. Besides ending slavery which both parties today would agree with him on, Lincoln (well, more the Republican congress of his time, but he signed the bills into law) raised tariffs, funded the transcontinental railroad, created land-grant universities, and created the first income tax.
There is a huge difference between Democrats of 1930's-40's and Democrats today. FDR would recoil in horror how the Dems have turned social security into a bloated insurance policy where recipients are paid back hundreds of times the amount they put in. FDR would also be aghast at how Dems fight each other to be the first to capitulate in any military engagement.

Lincoln's income tax was instituted to pay for the Civil War. Even by the 1960's, The Dixiecrats, Southern Democrats, walked out of the 64 convention over proposed civil rights planks in the party. Republicans have traditionally held higher moral standards regarding minorities then Democrats. Why blacks continue to blindly vote Democratic is a direct result of the concerted public relations con by Dems.
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Old 23rd February 2008, 05:43 AM   #12
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What did Obama did do to his supporters? Why do you all feel it necessary to compare him to presidents that were shot? If he gets compared to McKinley, he should drop out. It just won't end well.
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Except they are both from Illinois,
WHOA. NO WAY.
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I can't see many similarities.
jeepers the "Illinois" thing is enough for me.
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Lincoln wrote his own speeches.
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Lincoln wrote his own speeches.
Good point, though I suspect Obama could as well. He did write his own book, eh?

To the rest in the thread:

1. Am I the only one here who caught on to the "Obama doesn't wear a beard" fact?

2. Also, have any of you seen Obama in one of those stove pipe hats?

3. Another difference is that Obama is not married to a mentally ill woman.

Pro Tip: Critical thinking usually benefits from observation and collection of evidence first.

Well Eff Me, I have Claused again.

Beeps, I expect the usual flogging with the usual pasta.

Please be gentle.

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Good point, though I suspect Obama could as well. He did write his own book, eh?
Books. I don't know too many people who've written their memoirs twice at the age of 46.

And when Obama writes anything as sublime as Lincoln's second inaugural address, get back to me.

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3. Another difference is that Obama is not married to a mentally ill woman.
I don't know about that. She grew up in the U.S. and claims that now, in her mid-forties, is the first time she's ever been proud of her country. Not evidence of insanity, but...

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Yeah. I think some people here are too young to remember Mario Cuomo. He understood the power of oratory, too. He could read a phone book and make you want to buy it. Mario Cuomo is therefore the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. Too.

Cripes, all this uncritical adoration of Obama is creepy. I don't think I love my own mother as much as some people seem to love Obama.
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Lincoln wrote his own speeches.
Although this is obviously an area where Obama does not match up with Lincoln on a personal level (among many others, such as the stovepipe hat argument) I take a sort of Chinese Room philosophy towards politicians. It does not particularly matter whether the speeches get written by Obama personally or whether they get written by a room full of people mechanically piecing together strings of text they do not themselves understand to output something coherent, what matters is the quality of the output and the degree to which we can assume that once elected the output is going to maintain that level of quality.
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Obama Lincoln, don't think so. To much race difference, the slaves were released to take the tractors(slaves) away from the south. I'm a Aussie and I know that, where have you been? Races tend to stay together and if mixed often miss out on a soul. Ok I will stand back and wait for the baggers. Cheers Old Bob.
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Obama Lincoln, don't think so. To much race difference, the slaves were released to take the tractors(slaves) away from the south. I'm a Aussie and I know that, where have you been? Races tend to stay together and if mixed often miss out on a soul.
Oh, my. A racist woo. So, how exactly do you define race? What is too much mixing? What does not having a soul mean? How do you tell?
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I haven't seen Obama's position on slavery, yet. Does he just want the slaves in the southern states free? This might not go over well with his current constituents in Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, Detroit, et al. "Uh, Reverend Sharpton, I'm afraid we've got good news and bad news. On the good side, a black man was just elected President. On the somewhat awkward side of the slate, though, there's a guy from Mamoroneck on the phone who says he holds papers on you, and he'd like you to get up to the big house and polish the brass door hardware."
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Zooterkin said "Oh my a racist woo" We have 4 main races in this world and to mix any spoils the children. And to be called racist gets up my nose. Lincoln was white, Obama's black is that racist? It wouldn't happen for Lincoln soul to change. How to tell if one has a soul, Just go meditate for 5 years. If you want to comprehend this system study the masons Royal family and the code in the english language and you will find that all is controlled from the UK and most presidents are related to the Queen. Then check out symbols trinity and don't forget the sun worshiping Vatican + the Jew connection. And when you are up to speed on that find out how we have 2 lot ,one called man and the rest called hu-man Equates to stinking man. Like elite means one with a light( halo)
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Zooterkin said "Oh my a racist woo" We have 4 main races in this world and to mix any spoils the children. And to be called racist gets up my nose. Lincoln was white, Obama's black is that racist? It wouldn't happen for Lincoln soul to change. How to tell if one has a soul, Just go meditate for 5 years. If you want to comprehend this system study the masons Royal family and the code in the english language and you will find that all is controlled from the UK and most presidents are related to the Queen. Then check out symbols trinity and don't forget the sun worshiping Vatican + the Jew connection. And when you are up to speed on that find out how we have 2 lot ,one called man and the rest called hu-man Equates to stinking man. Like elite means one with a light( halo)
Obama's mother was white. Is Obama of the black race or is he one of the spoiled mixed children?

Oh yeah, the Jew connection. I almost forgot about that.

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Oh, go on, I fancy a laugh. What are the 4 main races and in what way are mixed race children "spoiled"?

ETA And if you are descended from a spoiled mixed race person, are you also spoiled?

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I know no matter how I put it you won't believe me, but others read the posts too. Often passed over family members are reluctant to reincarnate when mixed races are involved. Obama may be unlucky and just live this life and disappear. I was using the word spoiled as meaning missing out on having a soul. Second sight, dowsing, esp etc are really your spirit coming out of the como sleep it goes into when a spirit has a human experience and will add "I think".
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I know no matter how I put it you won't believe me, but others read the posts too. Often passed over family members are reluctant to reincarnate when mixed races are involved. Obama may be unlucky and just live this life and disappear. I was using the word spoiled as meaning missing out on having a soul. Second sight, dowsing, esp etc are really your spirit coming out of the como sleep it goes into when a spirit has a human experience and will add "I think".
Are you just making this up as you go along, or do you have any evidence to support any of this? What are the four races?
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I know no matter how I put it you won't believe me, but others read the posts too. Often passed over family members are reluctant to reincarnate when mixed races are involved. Obama may be unlucky and just live this life and disappear. I was using the word spoiled as meaning missing out on having a soul. Second sight, dowsing, esp etc are really your spirit coming out of the como sleep it goes into when a spirit has a human experience and will add "I think".
Bob, is it since you became Old Bob that you lost your marbles or was Young Bob a nutter too ?

It seems to me that you a bob short of a shilling.

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Often passed over family members are reluctant to reincarnate when mixed races are involved.
Would you find it undesirable to reincarnate into the body of a mixed race child?

BTW, if I am allowed to reincarnate into anyone in the timeline, I call dibs on Tiger Woods.
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I know no matter how I put it you won't believe me, but others read the posts too. Often passed over family members are reluctant to reincarnate when mixed races are involved. Obama may be unlucky and just live this life and disappear. I was using the word spoiled as meaning missing out on having a soul. Second sight, dowsing, esp etc are really your spirit coming out of the como sleep it goes into when a spirit has a human experience and will add "I think".
How do you know this? What effect does 'not having a soul' have on a person?
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Zooterkin said "Oh my a racist woo" We have 4 main races in this world and to mix any spoils the children. And to be called racist gets up my nose.

If you believe that mixing races spoils children, then yes, you are a racist. So please tell me, how exactly am I "spoiled" (assuming that my parents do indeed represent two of your so-called 4 races)?

Considering that over 19% of the state of Hawai'i claim a multi-ethnic background, is the state as a whole "spoiled"?
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Well well, wouldn't want to reincarnate into any of you anti racist people. It would be easier to teach a black monkey to type write. What effect no soul has. Not much but lacks insight, tends to be materialistic. Can't dowse and call other people nutters. Isn't this thread about reincarnation or name calling?
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Well well, wouldn't want to reincarnate into any of you anti racist people.

Can you explain what the "4 races" are?
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I call troll.
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Can you explain what the "4 races" are?
1. Cream
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3. Texans
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Ok the 4 main races are Negroid Asian Caucasian Chinese. Of the Asian probably the Jap nation is the purest. Even our Indigent natives are a mix of Papuan and Indian but they have been mixed a long time and I know they have a high % of souls. In the past we had witch hunts now it's done with conola oil and multiculturalism, the in-lighten ones in courage this so we don't climb up near them.
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Ok the 4 main races are Negroid Asian Caucasian Chinese. Of the Asian probably the Jap nation is the purest. Even our Indigent natives are a mix of Papuan and Indian but they have been mixed a long time and I know they have a high % of souls. In the past we had witch hunts now it's done with conola oil and multiculturalism, the in-lighten ones in courage this so we don't climb up near them.
Oh god...I just remembered where I've seen this nonsense before.....

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Ok the 4 main races are Negroid Asian Caucasian Chinese. Of the Asian probably the Jap nation is the purest.
"Asian" and "Chinese" are separate categories? Now I know (as if I didn't before) that you are talking complete nonsense.
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Did you mean 'indigenous'?
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natives are a mix of Papuan and Indian but they have been mixed a long time and I know they have a high % of souls.
You 'know'? Exactly how do you know this? And which races do Papuan and Indian belong to? Who decided on what the 'four races' are, and what research was done to back it up?
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In the past we had witch hunts now it's done with conola oil and multiculturalism, the in-lighten ones in courage this so we don't climb up near them.
I don't have the first idea what this sentence is about.
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