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They're both from the same episode, among many other disturbing stories and very disturbing answers. Here's one QG and I had had on our lists since forever:
WILLIAMS: All right.
Imagine that your twin brother is here one day and gone the next. I want you to take a look at this.
(Excerpts from videotape)
LONNIE (Brother Was Murdered in 1999): My twin brother, Donnie, and I--we, you know, we were very close. We had done a lot of things together. If I ever needed any help or assistance, he'd always be there for me, and I'd do the same thing for him.
SHANEY (Her Ex Boyfriend Was Brutally Murdered in 1999): Donnie and I were together about three and a half years. Shortly after we started dating, I found out that I was pregnant with our son, Jake. He was just a wonderful father. Jake thought the world of him.
LONNIE: On February 11th, in 1999, that's when my brother disappeared. The night of my brother's disappearance, he received three phone calls. And on that third phone call, something convinced him to get up and leave. But it took that third phone call. That was the last time we've ever seen him.
SHANEY: The family and the community came together and did a lot of searching of bodies of water, wooded areas. Donnie's body was discovered off of a rural road. He was covered with leaves and dirt.
LONNIE: Donnie's death has taken a lot of--out of my family. It's, like, taken the hearts out of every one of us. I know he--him being my twin, my heart left me.
SHANEY: I really need for someone to help us. You know, I was hoping that Sylvia could at least give us maybe some information as to what really happened that night.
(End of excerpts)
WILLIAMS: Please welcome Donnie's twin brother Lonnie and his ex-girlfriend Shaney to the show. Welcome them. And let m--let me ask a question, because some of the--some of the details are not on this tape. There are witnesses that saw your brother get into his truck, correct?
LONNIE: There were some witnesses--when the truck come to a skid, there were some witnesses that observed that.
WILLIAMS: And they saw what? They saw somebody--they saw...
LONNIE: They saw some shooting.
WILLIAMS: They heard some noise. They--they saw some shooting. They saw a person get out of the truck on the other side, get into a car behind, drive off with--or get in the same truck and drive off?
LONNIE: They--they saw somebody get out of the passenger side of the--Don's Jeep.
Ms. BROWNE: And get in another truck.
WILLIAMS: And get in the driver's side.
LONNIE: And get in the driver's side. It took him a few moments to get in there, apparently, to push the body over.
WILLIAMS: Push the body over.
LONNIE: Correct. And then they took off.
WILLIAMS: And both cars took off.
Ms. BROWNE: And there weren't two trucks?
LONNIE: There were some witnesses that said they saw another vehicle behind him. And then, of course, there was other witnesses who said there wasn't. So...
Ms. BROWNE: Because I see two trucks--a dark truck and a light truck.
LONNIE: Donnie's...
Ms. BROWNE: Now, who do you know by the name of Mitch?
LONNIE: I can't recall any Mitches.
Ms. BROWNE: Or Mitchell?
WILLIAMS: Shaney, do you know anybody? You have a son with Donnie?
SHANEY: Yes, yes.
WILLIAMS: And, I mean, was he--do you remember whether or not these three phone calls that came that night--obviously, there were three phone calls. He had to go meet someone. Did you check the phone records to see?
LONNIE: I've--I've got all the logs of all of it. The three phone calls come from a certain location, from one place, at a pay phone. Of course, we don't know what the third phone call was--you know, what was said to convince him to leave, but it took three phone calls.
Ms. BROWNE: The--the...
WILLIAMS: Wait, three phone calls came from a pay phone?
LONNIE: Correct.
WILLIAMS: Donnie left where he was, got in his truck, started driving away. Then all of a sudden, the truck comes to a skid. Witnesses say they see gunshots--hear gunshots. A person gets out of the car, goes around the other side of the car and gets in and drives away. Now 30 days later, your brother's body is found?
LONNIE: Fifty-nine days.
WILLIAMS: Fifty-nine days. What was it, 30 days later, the truck was found?
LONNIE: Five days later, the truck was found behind a local residence, right behind--parked right behind their house, within 10--10 feet of the front door.
WILLIAMS: And the truck had blood in it?
Ms. BROWNE: OK...
LONNIE: It was on the passenger side, and the residents there at that location had no clue. They said they had no clue of why it was parked there. They said that my brother was going to come there. The guy that drove it there said--told them my brother was going to come there and pick it up. And they said they asked, 'Well, how's he going to find it with it being parked behind the...'
WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Witnesses saw the person who got out of the truck and asked them--that person--and they have not given the police a composite drawing of who this person was who was driving his truck?
LONNIE: They've got this--this person is--he's dead. The person that took off from the Jeep--you know, we feel that there's more than just one person involved.
Ms. BROWNE: There are three.
SHANEY: Three.
Ms. BROWNE: There are three, but somebody by the name of Mitch called him to help him. You know how your brother was. He was always helping somebody. This Mitch called him. He met this Mitch at a bar or something. This Mitch said that these two guys were going to beat him up. He took off to help him. When he did, these thugs or whatever they were, bullies, gangs, shot your brother.
LONNIE: Just--just by chance, ma'am, can you tell me what that third phone call might have consisted of to make him leave his family to...
Ms. BROWNE: That's what I'm saying. Somebody called him, by the name of Mitch, and said he was in trouble and that this female that he knew by the name of Cynthia was in trouble, would he come and help him. So your brother took off. In the meantime, the people that were after this guy got a hold of your brother and killed him.
WILLIAMS: Was your--was--was your brother starting to act strange in the last week before this happened? Did he make some acquaintances with people that you're not aware of?
LONNIE: No, everything was normal. He--he was dedicated...
WILLIAMS: Well, obviously it wasn't that normal if he got three phone calls and left his family and walked away. So did he--could he have met somebody? Could he have mentioned something to you about meeting someone at a gym, at a--whatever, local place? Mention a name?
LONNIE: He--well, yes, he was supposed to--we know who the person was he was supposed to go meet.
SHANEY: Right.
LONNIE: And once they did meet at that residence, they left that residence, and within 30 minutes--we don't know what happened during that 30-minute time frame.
Ms. BROWNE: But I keep telling you, I'd try to find this Mitch or Mitchell, because he knows something or he was involved with this.
WILLIAMS: And a woman, Cynthia.
Ms. BROWNE: And the woman is Cynthia.
WILLIAMS: All right. I gotta take a little break. I gotta take a break. I'm sorry. Let me take a break. We'll be back right after this.
(Excerpts from upcoming segment)
I've taken a look at this one before, many months ago, and found a few mentions of something very similar to it but that ultimately turned out not to be it:
WILLIAMS: Now please welcome Brenda to the show. Where's Brenda at? Brenda. Why don't you tell Sylvia about the fire?
BRENDA: OK. I come from a large family. I'm one of 14 children. In 1976, someone firebombed our house, 4 AM in the morning. Our refrigerator exploded. That's what made our mom get up, screaming. And my brother and my sister had woke up to her screams. My brother ran through the fire to help my mom, and he didn't know my little brother was standing next to her, and he had passed out from the smoke when she bust out the window, and he got her out. My sister was upstairs, waking up whoever she could.
Ms. BROWNE: Was there, yeah.
BRENDA: And the smoke was really thick and heavy. You couldn't see nothing. She got three of us on the roof, which was on fire. Another brother had woke up, and we could hear him scream until he passed out and died.
Ms. BROWNE: Oh, God.
BRENDA: The firetrucks finally put out the fire, and six children were dead.
Ms. BROWNE: Jesus, God in heaven.
WILLIAMS: And...
BRENDA: We know they used 10 gallons of gasoline. We know our doors were jammed shut. We know at least two people was watching, because two of our lawn chairs was in the alley.
WILLIAMS: Wait, somebody pulled up lawn chairs and put the...
Ms. BROWNE: And watched it.
BRENDA: In the alley--watched. We think a third person was in a tree watching. Oh, God.
WILLIAMS: This has never been solved?
BRENDA: It's never been solved. They've questioned nine people. The kids that lived at home didn't know the nine people, but the kids that didn't live at home knew the nine people. They questioned and released them. We argue a lot over it, our family does.
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.
BRENDA: Was it over a family member's action?
Ms. BROWNE: Mm-hmm.
BRENDA: Do you know what?
Ms. BROWNE: There's a lot of crazy people in this world, as if we don't know. But it had to do with something they felt that they had messed up with a car, or run over the lawn, or done some goofy thing.
BRENDA: Would they be caught? Do you have names?
Ms. BROWNE: There's initial--I mean, this person actually went by the initials of a P.J., and then there was a female by the name of Retha, like Aretha Franklin, but she called herself Retha.
BRENDA: Did it have to do with one of the kids that didn't live at home?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. It had to do with a female and a car.
BRENDA: OK. Hmm.
Ms. BROWNE: And they said they were going to get justice on the rest of the family.
BRENDA: OK. Did--were they the same people that sent my sister a letter later, saying they wasn't done with us, and...
Ms. BROWNE: That's right.
BRENDA: OK.
WILLIAMS: This case was 1970-what?
BRENDA: Six.
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, never been solved.
WILLIAMS: 1976. Has there been a closed case? Do the police now have it as a closed--they must have it...
BRENDA: No, no.
WILLIAMS: It's still an open case?
BRENDA: It's still an open case. They...
WILLIAMS: There's somebody investigating? Do you know--have you talked to a detective?
BRENDA: It's been--yes. Recently, I--I've talked to the new detective. She said for her to do anything, she needs names, more information. Because they have the gas cans. They threw the lawn chairs back in the yard instead of taking it for fingerprints. They're saying that don't have no fingerprints on the gas cans. And they thought of the letter, but they're not sure where--where the letter is. DNA off the letter, we look at it. Yeah.
Ms. BROWNE: You can get DA--DNA off the envelope that's licked.
BRENDA: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Ms. BROWNE: But they will find these people. But these people had said they were going to do revenge to a male that was not in the house.
WILLIAMS: I gotta take a break. We'll be back right after this.
(Announcements)
WILLIAMS: Well, we have been talking today to Sylvia Browne--give it up to Sylvia, please. (Unintelligible).
Ms. BROWNE: What?
WILLIAMS: I said...(unintelligible).
So, Sylvia, wait--why don't you tell me--now you have--you have some new jewelry line that you're thinking about doing?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, yeah.
WILLIAMS: Talk about that for a minute.
Ms. BROWNE: And it's--it's going to be--it goes right across the board, as far as spirituality--anybody, in r--any religion. It's going to be the dove, three circles, which means gratitude, loyalty, commitment. There's going to be an earring set, a bracelet set...
WILLIAMS: And people can get this where? Off your...
Ms. BROWNE: Off my Web site, Sylvia.org.
WILLIAMS: Sylvia.org.
Ms. BROWNE: Uh-huh.
WILLIAMS: All right.
Imagine that your twin brother is here one day and gone the next. I want you to take a look at this.
(Excerpts from videotape)
LONNIE (Brother Was Murdered in 1999): My twin brother, Donnie, and I--we, you know, we were very close. We had done a lot of things together. If I ever needed any help or assistance, he'd always be there for me, and I'd do the same thing for him.
SHANEY (Her Ex Boyfriend Was Brutally Murdered in 1999): Donnie and I were together about three and a half years. Shortly after we started dating, I found out that I was pregnant with our son, Jake. He was just a wonderful father. Jake thought the world of him.
LONNIE: On February 11th, in 1999, that's when my brother disappeared. The night of my brother's disappearance, he received three phone calls. And on that third phone call, something convinced him to get up and leave. But it took that third phone call. That was the last time we've ever seen him.
SHANEY: The family and the community came together and did a lot of searching of bodies of water, wooded areas. Donnie's body was discovered off of a rural road. He was covered with leaves and dirt.
LONNIE: Donnie's death has taken a lot of--out of my family. It's, like, taken the hearts out of every one of us. I know he--him being my twin, my heart left me.
SHANEY: I really need for someone to help us. You know, I was hoping that Sylvia could at least give us maybe some information as to what really happened that night.
(End of excerpts)
WILLIAMS: Please welcome Donnie's twin brother Lonnie and his ex-girlfriend Shaney to the show. Welcome them. And let m--let me ask a question, because some of the--some of the details are not on this tape. There are witnesses that saw your brother get into his truck, correct?
LONNIE: There were some witnesses--when the truck come to a skid, there were some witnesses that observed that.
WILLIAMS: And they saw what? They saw somebody--they saw...
LONNIE: They saw some shooting.
WILLIAMS: They heard some noise. They--they saw some shooting. They saw a person get out of the truck on the other side, get into a car behind, drive off with--or get in the same truck and drive off?
LONNIE: They--they saw somebody get out of the passenger side of the--Don's Jeep.
Ms. BROWNE: And get in another truck.
WILLIAMS: And get in the driver's side.
LONNIE: And get in the driver's side. It took him a few moments to get in there, apparently, to push the body over.
WILLIAMS: Push the body over.
LONNIE: Correct. And then they took off.
WILLIAMS: And both cars took off.
Ms. BROWNE: And there weren't two trucks?
LONNIE: There were some witnesses that said they saw another vehicle behind him. And then, of course, there was other witnesses who said there wasn't. So...
Ms. BROWNE: Because I see two trucks--a dark truck and a light truck.
LONNIE: Donnie's...
Ms. BROWNE: Now, who do you know by the name of Mitch?
LONNIE: I can't recall any Mitches.
Ms. BROWNE: Or Mitchell?
WILLIAMS: Shaney, do you know anybody? You have a son with Donnie?
SHANEY: Yes, yes.
WILLIAMS: And, I mean, was he--do you remember whether or not these three phone calls that came that night--obviously, there were three phone calls. He had to go meet someone. Did you check the phone records to see?
LONNIE: I've--I've got all the logs of all of it. The three phone calls come from a certain location, from one place, at a pay phone. Of course, we don't know what the third phone call was--you know, what was said to convince him to leave, but it took three phone calls.
Ms. BROWNE: The--the...
WILLIAMS: Wait, three phone calls came from a pay phone?
LONNIE: Correct.
WILLIAMS: Donnie left where he was, got in his truck, started driving away. Then all of a sudden, the truck comes to a skid. Witnesses say they see gunshots--hear gunshots. A person gets out of the car, goes around the other side of the car and gets in and drives away. Now 30 days later, your brother's body is found?
LONNIE: Fifty-nine days.
WILLIAMS: Fifty-nine days. What was it, 30 days later, the truck was found?
LONNIE: Five days later, the truck was found behind a local residence, right behind--parked right behind their house, within 10--10 feet of the front door.
WILLIAMS: And the truck had blood in it?
Ms. BROWNE: OK...
LONNIE: It was on the passenger side, and the residents there at that location had no clue. They said they had no clue of why it was parked there. They said that my brother was going to come there. The guy that drove it there said--told them my brother was going to come there and pick it up. And they said they asked, 'Well, how's he going to find it with it being parked behind the...'
WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Witnesses saw the person who got out of the truck and asked them--that person--and they have not given the police a composite drawing of who this person was who was driving his truck?
LONNIE: They've got this--this person is--he's dead. The person that took off from the Jeep--you know, we feel that there's more than just one person involved.
Ms. BROWNE: There are three.
SHANEY: Three.
Ms. BROWNE: There are three, but somebody by the name of Mitch called him to help him. You know how your brother was. He was always helping somebody. This Mitch called him. He met this Mitch at a bar or something. This Mitch said that these two guys were going to beat him up. He took off to help him. When he did, these thugs or whatever they were, bullies, gangs, shot your brother.
LONNIE: Just--just by chance, ma'am, can you tell me what that third phone call might have consisted of to make him leave his family to...
Ms. BROWNE: That's what I'm saying. Somebody called him, by the name of Mitch, and said he was in trouble and that this female that he knew by the name of Cynthia was in trouble, would he come and help him. So your brother took off. In the meantime, the people that were after this guy got a hold of your brother and killed him.
WILLIAMS: Was your--was--was your brother starting to act strange in the last week before this happened? Did he make some acquaintances with people that you're not aware of?
LONNIE: No, everything was normal. He--he was dedicated...
WILLIAMS: Well, obviously it wasn't that normal if he got three phone calls and left his family and walked away. So did he--could he have met somebody? Could he have mentioned something to you about meeting someone at a gym, at a--whatever, local place? Mention a name?
LONNIE: He--well, yes, he was supposed to--we know who the person was he was supposed to go meet.
SHANEY: Right.
LONNIE: And once they did meet at that residence, they left that residence, and within 30 minutes--we don't know what happened during that 30-minute time frame.
Ms. BROWNE: But I keep telling you, I'd try to find this Mitch or Mitchell, because he knows something or he was involved with this.
WILLIAMS: And a woman, Cynthia.
Ms. BROWNE: And the woman is Cynthia.
WILLIAMS: All right. I gotta take a little break. I gotta take a break. I'm sorry. Let me take a break. We'll be back right after this.
(Excerpts from upcoming segment)
I've taken a look at this one before, many months ago, and found a few mentions of something very similar to it but that ultimately turned out not to be it:
WILLIAMS: Now please welcome Brenda to the show. Where's Brenda at? Brenda. Why don't you tell Sylvia about the fire?
BRENDA: OK. I come from a large family. I'm one of 14 children. In 1976, someone firebombed our house, 4 AM in the morning. Our refrigerator exploded. That's what made our mom get up, screaming. And my brother and my sister had woke up to her screams. My brother ran through the fire to help my mom, and he didn't know my little brother was standing next to her, and he had passed out from the smoke when she bust out the window, and he got her out. My sister was upstairs, waking up whoever she could.
Ms. BROWNE: Was there, yeah.
BRENDA: And the smoke was really thick and heavy. You couldn't see nothing. She got three of us on the roof, which was on fire. Another brother had woke up, and we could hear him scream until he passed out and died.
Ms. BROWNE: Oh, God.
BRENDA: The firetrucks finally put out the fire, and six children were dead.
Ms. BROWNE: Jesus, God in heaven.
WILLIAMS: And...
BRENDA: We know they used 10 gallons of gasoline. We know our doors were jammed shut. We know at least two people was watching, because two of our lawn chairs was in the alley.
WILLIAMS: Wait, somebody pulled up lawn chairs and put the...
Ms. BROWNE: And watched it.
BRENDA: In the alley--watched. We think a third person was in a tree watching. Oh, God.
WILLIAMS: This has never been solved?
BRENDA: It's never been solved. They've questioned nine people. The kids that lived at home didn't know the nine people, but the kids that didn't live at home knew the nine people. They questioned and released them. We argue a lot over it, our family does.
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.
BRENDA: Was it over a family member's action?
Ms. BROWNE: Mm-hmm.
BRENDA: Do you know what?
Ms. BROWNE: There's a lot of crazy people in this world, as if we don't know. But it had to do with something they felt that they had messed up with a car, or run over the lawn, or done some goofy thing.
BRENDA: Would they be caught? Do you have names?
Ms. BROWNE: There's initial--I mean, this person actually went by the initials of a P.J., and then there was a female by the name of Retha, like Aretha Franklin, but she called herself Retha.
BRENDA: Did it have to do with one of the kids that didn't live at home?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. It had to do with a female and a car.
BRENDA: OK. Hmm.
Ms. BROWNE: And they said they were going to get justice on the rest of the family.
BRENDA: OK. Did--were they the same people that sent my sister a letter later, saying they wasn't done with us, and...
Ms. BROWNE: That's right.
BRENDA: OK.
WILLIAMS: This case was 1970-what?
BRENDA: Six.
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, never been solved.
WILLIAMS: 1976. Has there been a closed case? Do the police now have it as a closed--they must have it...
BRENDA: No, no.
WILLIAMS: It's still an open case?
BRENDA: It's still an open case. They...
WILLIAMS: There's somebody investigating? Do you know--have you talked to a detective?
BRENDA: It's been--yes. Recently, I--I've talked to the new detective. She said for her to do anything, she needs names, more information. Because they have the gas cans. They threw the lawn chairs back in the yard instead of taking it for fingerprints. They're saying that don't have no fingerprints on the gas cans. And they thought of the letter, but they're not sure where--where the letter is. DNA off the letter, we look at it. Yeah.
Ms. BROWNE: You can get DA--DNA off the envelope that's licked.
BRENDA: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Ms. BROWNE: But they will find these people. But these people had said they were going to do revenge to a male that was not in the house.
WILLIAMS: I gotta take a break. We'll be back right after this.
(Announcements)
WILLIAMS: Well, we have been talking today to Sylvia Browne--give it up to Sylvia, please. (Unintelligible).
Ms. BROWNE: What?
WILLIAMS: I said...(unintelligible).
So, Sylvia, wait--why don't you tell me--now you have--you have some new jewelry line that you're thinking about doing?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, yeah.
WILLIAMS: Talk about that for a minute.
Ms. BROWNE: And it's--it's going to be--it goes right across the board, as far as spirituality--anybody, in r--any religion. It's going to be the dove, three circles, which means gratitude, loyalty, commitment. There's going to be an earring set, a bracelet set...
WILLIAMS: And people can get this where? Off your...
Ms. BROWNE: Off my Web site, Sylvia.org.
WILLIAMS: Sylvia.org.
Ms. BROWNE: Uh-huh.
