A hidden assumption

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"Cantor introduced into mathematics the notion of a completed set, so that the integers, for example, could be considered together as a set in themselves, and so as a completed infinite magnitude. Only by conceiving of the integers as a whole entity, (as a Ding für sich) could Cantor define the first transfinite number, which he denoted by a lower case omega (ω), in contradistinction to the familiar sideways eight infinity symbol (∞), which had only meant unbounded." ( w w w .asa3.org/asa/PSCF/1993/PSCF3-93Hedman.html )

Cantor is wrong because no non-finite collection has the magnitude of the non-local ur-element ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urelement ) real-line, and as a result any given non-finite collection is open and incomplete when compared with the non-local ur-element real-line's magnitude.

Furthermore, Cantor had the chance to formalize the actual infinity in terms of a non-local atom, but he mixed between religion
and logical reasoning and missed the notion of non-locality.

"Cantor is quoted as saying:

The actual infinite arises in three contexts: first when it is realized in the most complete form, in a fully independent otherworldly being, in Deo, where I call it the Absolute Infinite or simply Absolute; second when it occurs in the contingent, created world; third when the mind grasps it in abstracto as a mathematical magnitude, number or order type."


( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Infinite )


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A hidden assumption

DrMatt said:
Algebare is not a Symmerty\Asymmetry synthesis because all the terms in algebra are clearly defined ahead of time.

Time is not involved in Symmetry\Asymmetry synthesis as clearly shown by the universal principle that stands in the basis of the multitude, whether it is Logic or Algebra.

Here it is again:

Let a 2-valued framework be represented by A B.

A B system is:

A B
A A
A B
B A
B B

This system can be reduced (without a loss of generality) to
symmetric (AA or BB) \ asymmetric (AB or BA) synthesis, represented as:

AB
XX is AB symmetry --> A=B (AB is the same)
XY is AB asymmetry --> A≠B (AB is not the same)

A=B can be reduced (without a loss of generality) to a single value X.

A≠B cannot be reduced to a single value without a loss of detail X or Y.

Furthermore, in order to conclude that A≠B, they must share the same realm.

So 2-valued framework is at least X (symmetry or sameness) \ XY (asymmetry or difference) synthesis.

Let us use SA (Symmetry\Asymmetry synthesis) on 2-valued Logic:

T F NXOR
F F considered
F T not considered
T F not considered
T T considered

T F XOR
F F not considered
F T considered
T F considered
T T not considered

T F NXOR\XOR
F F considered
F T considered
T F considered
T T considered

T F generalization of NXOR\XOR
X X considered
X Y considered

As for algebra, it holds only if at least two things(Asymmetry) share the same realm (Symmetry).

DrMatt said:
...all the terms in algebra are clearly defined ahead of time
This conclusion, which is based on the concept of the Multitude, holds because of the Symmetry\Asymmetry shynthesis that enables this concept.

By NXOR\XOR logic we may fulfill Hilbert's organic paradigm of the mathematical language. Quoting Hilbert’s famous Paris 1900 lecture:

“…The problems mentioned are merely samples of problems, yet they will suffice to show how rich, how manifold and how extensive the mathematical science of today is, and the question is urged upon us whether mathematics is doomed to the fate of those other sciences that have split up into separate branches, whose representatives scarcely understand one another and whose connection becomes ever more loose. I do not believe this nor wish it. Mathematical science is in my opinion an indivisible whole, an organism whose vitality is conditioned upon the connection of its parts.”



A hidden assumption:

An interaction between different things (abstract or not) is possible, only if they share some common property known as their realm.

Without it each thing is totally disconnected from any other thing, and there is nothing beyond one.

XOR connective is the logical basis of disconnection where no more than a one thing exits.

If something is a one of many things, then its realm is not less than a relation between XOR (the logical basis of disconnection) and NXOR (the logical basis of connection).

A set is a NXOR\XOR realm outcome, because the quantifier "for all…" is used in addition to the quantifier "there exist …", for example:

The standard definition of a proper subset is:

A is a proper subset of B if for all x that are members of A, x are members of B but there exist a y that is a member of B but is not a member of A.

NXOR is used as a hidden assumption of the definition above. In order to see it, let us omit the quantifier "for all…" and we get:

A is a proper subset of B if x that is a member of A, x is a member of B but there exist a y that is a member of B but is not a member of A.

Let us examine this part:

but there exist a y that is a member of B but is not a member of A.

NXOR is used as a hidden assumption in two cases here:

Case 1: In order to distinguish x from y we need some relation between them that enables us to simultaneously compare one with the other, and this simultaneity is an NXOR connective.

Case 2: In order to distinguish A from B (and conclude that A is a proper subset B) we need some relation between them that enables us to simultaneously compare one with the other, and this simultaneity is an NXOR connective.

Simultaneity (in this case) means that A XOR B (or x XOR y) share the same realm (and it is timeless) and we get a NXOR\XOR realm.

A hidden assumption is devastating in the case of Logic and Mathematics.



NXOR:

NXOR is the logic that enables us to define the relations among abstract/non-abstract elements.

We will not find it in any book of modern Mathematics, because Modern Mathematics uses it as an hidden assumption.

NXOR is recognized as a property called memory, which enables us to connect things and research their relations.

Our natural ability to connect between objects (notated by ↔ and known as map, or function) is a hidden assumption of the current formal language.

It has to be understood that in order to define even a 1↔1 map, we need not less than a XOR outcome (notated as 1) and a NXOR outcome (notated as ↔).

Map is a connection (a NXOR outcome) that enables us to define the relations between more than a 1 XOR outcome, and we cannot go beyond 1 without ↔ between 1,1 .

The number 2 is actually the relations of our own memory as ↔ (as a function) between 1 object XOR 1 object.




Measurement:

" The earliest and most important examples are Jordan measure and Lebesgue measure,..."
(mathworld.wolfram/Measure)


Jordan measure:
"... The Jordan measure, when it exists, is the common value of the outer and inner (NXOR hidden assumption) Jordan measures of M"
(mathworld.wolfram/JordanMeasure)

So we need a common property in order to measure, and this common properly is based on NXOR connective that is related to XOR connective products, known as members.

So membership is not less than NXOR(the common) XOR(the distinct) relations, and (for example) the common value of set N is Size.


Lebesgue Measure:
" ... A unit line segment has Lebesgue measure 1; the Cantor set has Lebesgue measure 0. (mathworld.wolfram/LebesgueMeasure)

A segment is not less than A AND B (Lebesgue measure 1).

A set of disjoint elements (finite or non-finite) has a Lebesgue measure 0.

The Lebesgue measures 1 and 0 are equivalent to NXOR(non-local) and XOR(local) outcomes of my system, but in the traditional system Lebesgue measures 1 is not an atom, but it is a XOR-only outcome (made of non-finite local elements).

It has to be understood that nothing can be measured beyond one without a relation between the local and the nonlocal (the concept of "many ..." does not exist without this relation.)




A proper subset: (a definition without a hidden assumption)

C is a proper subset of B only if both of them are based on property A and any C member is also a B member, but there is a B member that is not a C member.

For example: Size is a common property of both N and any proper subset of it.

Let E be any N member, which is divided by 2.

E is a proper subset of N only if the Size property is not ignored, so let us examine this mapping:
Code:
E  = { 2,  4,  6,  8,  10,  12,  14,  16,  18,  ... }
       ↕   ↕    ↕   ↕   ↕    ↕    ↕    ↕    ↕
N  = { 1,  2,  3,  4,   5,   6,   7,   8,   9,  ... }
In the example above there is a 1-1 correspondence between E and N because we ignore Size as a common property of both N and E, and define the 1-1 correspondence between the notations that represent the size, by ignoring the size itself.

Here is the right mapping between E and N, where Size as a common property is not ignored:
Code:
E = { 2,  4,  6,  8,  ... }
      ↕   ↕   ↕   ↕                    
N = { 1,  2,  3,  4,   5,   6,   7,   8,  ... }

If (for example) notation 8 exists in E, then the size that it represents must exist in N, and only then E is a proper subset of N. By not ignoring Size as a common property of the natural numbers, we can clearly see that there is no 1-1 correspondence between E and N.

By the way, order is not important here, and the non-ordered mapping below is equivalent to the ordered map above:
Code:
E  = { 8,  4,  2,  6,  ... }
       ↕   ↕   ↕   ↕                    
N  = { 7,  8,  3,  1,   6,   4,   2,   5,  ... }

Conclusion:

Galilio and Dedeking made a simple mistake when they defined a 1-1 correspondence between notations by ignore the common property that they represent.

Cantor used this mistake in order to define the non-finite property of N by claiming that there is a 1-1 correspondence between N and a proper subset of it.

But as we show here, he was wrong in this case.

A non-finite set is simply a set that does not have a final member, and both E and N are non-finite sets as well, where Size_of_E/Size_of_N has a permanent ratio of 1/2.




Aleph0 from NXOR\XOR point of view:

Cantor's theorem about the Size of the non-finite is based on the notion that aleph0+1=aleph0, or in other words Cardinality (or Size) is not changed under addition when we deal with infinitely many objects.

By Cantor, a Size that is not 0 (he called it aleph0) is unchanged under addition.

I understand the Set concept also from a NXOR point of view.

From this additional point of view no XOR outcome (anything that it is "a one of many …", and the Set concept is based on it) can be an NXOR outcome, and as a result (which is based on logic, and not on intuition) the Size of any non-finite set is logically incomplete (it cannot be an NXOR outcome, no matter how infinitely many elements it has).

Since the Size of a non-finite set is incomplete we cannot use Dedekind's 1-1 method in order to define the exact sizes of two non-finite sets (each one of them is an incomplete mathematical object).

Instead, we define the proportion that exists between non-finite (and logically incomplete(XOR))outcomes (which are called sets), and the permanent proportion of aleph0+1/aleph0 is a non-local number greater than 1 (Remark: NXOR is used as a hidden assumption of the standaed concept of Set, and as a result local-only members go beyond one).

If this proportion is important for us, we can use some notation in order to represent aleph0+1/aleph0 (for example: "Let @ be the representation of the permanent proportion aleph0+1/aleph0") but we must not mix between the notation "@" and the value that it represents, and Dedekind 1-1 method does not distinguish between a value and its representation, and defines the map between the representations instead of between the values themselves, as I show here.



A 1-1 correspondence: (a new point of view)

A 1-1 correspondence exists between two non-finite sets (as I show here) if each set is a collection of unique objects, where each object has nothing in common with the rest of the unique objects.

In that case the 1-1 mapping is between infinitely many separated objects.

In this case each mapping is disjoint from any other mapping, and we get the ratio of 1/1 which is equivalent to a 1-1 correspondence.

But then infinitely many disjoint 1-1 mappings cannot be considered as a mapping between a set and its proper subset (because each mapping is a separated case) and all we have is infinitely many separated cases, with a 1/1 ratio.
 
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Wow, a rare specimen - a math crackpot!

Upon preliminary examination, this one looks to be closely related to physics cranks.
 
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Wow, a rare specimen - a math crackpot!

Upon preliminary examination, this one looks to be closely related to physics cranks.

I agree, he seems to be displaying the symptoms of the common physics woo. I will have to read this a few more times to figure out what he is trying to say because he has made it needlessly complex in order to throw off anyone that would reject his woo!
 
Wow, a rare specimen - a math crackpot!

Upon preliminary examination, this one looks to be closely related to physics cranks - perhaps of the same genus.
There is an important difference between new physical notions and new "pure" abstract notions.

A physical theory has to formally define a measurable physical experiment that can show if the theory holds or not.

This is not the case in "pure" Mathematics where things are examined by logical reasoning.
 
Cantor is wrong because no non-finite collection has the magnitude of the non-local ur-element real-line, and as a result any given non-finite collection is open and incomplete when compared with the non-local ur-element real-line's magnitude.

OP. Please explain, in plain English, what a " non-local ur-element real-line's magnitude " is?

I know what a urelement is, I know what nonlocality is, and I know what a real line is. I have no idea what you are talking about however.

For starters:
1. A urelement is an object which is not a set.
2. A real line is a set of real numbers.

So wtf? How does a non-local urelement have a real line at all? Is the "magnitude" 1 or 0 or something? Am I missing something here??? I am no mathematician... Someone more educated than me please assist. Do you just mean that the line is made up of urelements? If you mean that then you didn't need to actually say the word *urelement* at all! That means you are just adding complicated words!

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This is not the case in "pure" Mathematics where things are examined by logical reasoning.

Yeah, but when you start off by saying that a basic result in mathematics from more than a century ago is wrong, and then you mention religion, that's two strikes on the woo-o-meter.... and you're out.

Sorry!
 
There is an important difference between new physical notions and new "pure" abstract notions.

A physical theory has to formally define a measurable physical experiment that can show if the theory holds or not.

This is not the case in "pure" Mathematics where things are examined by logical reasoning.


Have you tried to submit this to any professional math journals? If so, what was the result? If not, why haven't you done so?
 
You know what. Never mind. I am in over my head trying to read about all of this. I love learning new things but this just seems ridiculous and loaded with language that seeks to obfuscate meanings and whatnot.
 
Yeah, but when you start off by saying that a basic result in mathematics from more than a century ago is wrong, and then you mention religion, that's two strikes on the woo-o-meter.... and you're out.

Sorry!

All you have to do (instead of collect separated words and get to quick conclusions) is carefully read the post until the end of it, and then, I think, you will be in a better position to air your view about it.
 
doronshadmi,

You'd been posting this tripe at whatever Internet forum will have you. Why do you think you'll get a more congenial reception to your nonsense here?
 
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All you have to do (instead of collect separated words and get to quick conclusions) is carefully read the post until the end of it, and then, I think, you will be in a better position to air your view about it.


How about addressing my question? Have you written this up and submitted it to a professional mathematics journal? If so, what was the result? If not, why not?
 
You know what. Never mind. I am in over my head trying to read about all of this. I love learning new things but this just seems ridiculous and loaded with language that seeks to obfuscate meanings and whatnot.

In order to get this stuff, please ask yourself a simple question, which is:

How the multitude (or the multiple) is defined?
 
All you have to do (instead of collect separated words and get to quick conclusions) is carefully read the post until the end of it, and then, I think, you will be in a better position to air your view about it.

I did read it all the way to the end. It is nonsense.
 
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All you have to do (instead of collect separated words and get to quick conclusions) is carefully read the post until the end of it, and then, I think, you will be in a better position to air your view about it.

Actually... no.

Having read only a little of that nonsense, I can wipe it off my brain pretty rapidly. Reading to the end might decrease my IQ permanently by several points, and I've got enough problems as it is.
 
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How about addressing my question? Have you written this up and submitted it to a professional mathematics journal? If so, what was the result? If not, why not?
At this stage I prefer to share my notions with non-professional mathematicians, because they are immediately rejected by professional mathematicians for a good reason (from their point of view) which is: I add a new magnitude that if it is logically understood, then any given non-finite collection is incomplete when compared to the new magnitude.

If the new magnitude is accepted, then the result is a paradigm-shift in the mathematical concept of the Non-finite.

A paradigm-shift of an abstract realm (where no physical experiment can be used in order to examine its validity) is maybe one of the most difficult things to do.

Any way, I tried to write my ideas in a categorical way (rigorously) that may help anyone (who wish to do it) to criticize my work.

I am open to your criticism and I hope that if my theory will survive it, then my stuff will be in a better position when I'll try to send it to some professional journal.
 
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At this stage I prefer to share my notions with non-professional mathematicians, because they are immediately rejected by professional mathematicians for a good reason (from their point of view) which is: I add a new magnitude that if it is logically understood, then any given non-finite collection is incomplete when compared to the new magnitude.


That's enough for me... bye now. :rolleyes:
 
Actually... no.

Having read only a little of that nonsense, I can wipe it off my brain pretty rapidly. Reading to the end might decrease my IQ permanently by several points, and I've got enough problems as it is.

Are you absolutely sure that it is nonsense?

Any question? something?
 
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I think that you have missed it, so here it is again.

In order to get this stuff, please ask yourself a simple question, which is:

How the multitude (or the multiple) is defined?
 
Please give some example of it that leads you to this conclusion.

Sure. Let's start with your second paragraph. (The first paragraph was a quotation.)

Cantor is wrong because no non-finite collection has the magnitude of the non-local ur-element ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urelement ) real-line, and as a result any given non-finite collection is open and incomplete when compared with the non-local ur-element real-line's magnitude.

As written, gibberish. You've taken terms that individually have meaning, but when strung together are nonsense. Care to try expressing yourself in a logical and well-defined way?

You did say you wanted to present to the mathematical non-professionals, right? How about making the presentation in English?
 
By the way, please tell us now if this is going to end in tales of alien visitations or 4" rebar. I would need time to prepare myself.
 
Sure. Let's start with your second paragraph. (The first paragraph was a quotation.)



As written, gibberish. You've taken terms that individually have meaning, but when strung together are nonsense. Care to try expressing yourself in a logical and well-defined way?

You did say you wanted to present to the mathematical non-professionals, right? How about making the presentation in English?
If you continue to read the post until the end of it, then you will find that no collection (which is a mathematical object that is based on "a one of many ...") has the magnitude of the non-local atom (which is not a "a one of many ..." mathematical object).

The logical basis of the non-local atom is NXOR (Not Xor) connective.
 
By the way, please tell us now if this is going to end in tales of alien visitations or 4" rebar. I would need time to prepare myself.

Please hold you horses and use critics carefully.

Critics is a great tool if used carefully.
 
OP. Please explain, in plain English, what a " non-local ur-element real-line's magnitude " is?

I know what a urelement is, I know what nonlocality is, and I know what a real line is. I have no idea what you are talking about however.

For starters:
1. A urelement is an object which is not a set.
2. A real line is a set of real numbers.

So wtf? How does a non-local urelement have a real line at all? Is the "magnitude" 1 or 0 or something? Am I missing something here??? I am no mathematician... Someone more educated than me please assist. Do you just mean that the line is made up of urelements? If you mean that then you didn't need to actually say the word *urelement* at all! That means you are just adding complicated words!

:(
I know that you do not wish to continue this dialog.

Any way in my system the real-line is not a set of infinitely many distinct elements, as defined by the traditional point of view, but it is an atom or more accurately, a non-local atom.

The magnitude of the non-local atom is bigger than the magnitude of any non-finite collection, and I show it by using logic.
 
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...A non-finite set is simply a set that does not have a final member, and both E and N are non-finite sets as well, where Size_of_E/Size_of_N has a permanent ratio of 1/2.
I was beginning to think the OP was a non-finite post. Glad to see it's just non-sensical. Please re-post in 17 days.
 
Any way in my system the real-line is not a set of infinitely many distinct elements, as defined by the traditional point of view, but it is an atom or more accurately, a non-local atom.

If your goal is to uproot Cantor's contribution to Mathematics, wouldn't it be best to work within his set of definitions and system rather than make up your own?

Instead, you have invented your own world with non-standard definitions for terms. How can you possibly expect to drawn conclusions regarding traditional Mathematics?
 
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doronshadmi - Please quit posting such ignorant tripe.

You obviously don't understand Cantor's work.
 
Any way in my system the real-line is not a set of infinitely many distinct elements, as defined by the traditional point of view, but it is an atom or more accurately, a non-local atom.

You've invented a new set of mathematical definitions. Using your definitions, you claim to prove that the "real number line" does "map" to "the integers". Good for you.

Cantor proved that the reals do not map to the integers, for the standard definition of "real" and "integer" and "map". Cantor's definitions are the same ones that we use for the rest of algebra, group theory, analysis, and so on---and that's what makes Cantor's work interesting.

What makes your work interesting? You're saying, "If I start with different assumptions, I can reach different conclusions." So can anyone.
 
You've invented a new set of mathematical definitions. Using your definitions, you claim to prove that the "real number line" does "map" to "the integers". Good for you.

Not at all, my claim is this:

No collection of infinitely many objects is complete if it is compared to the non-local ur-element real-line (which is not R set, but it is a non-local atom that is based on NXOR connective).

This is a new notion (based on Logic) of the non-finite's magnitude.

According to the new notion, actual infinity has the magnitude of the non-local atom, where any magnitude of a mathematical object that is based on the multitude (the multiple) is less than actual infinity's magnitude.

For more details please look at http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/NXOR-XOR.pdf .
 
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In order to get this stuff, please ask yourself a simple question, which is:

How the multitude (or the multiple) is defined?
 
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I'm seeing a distinct parallel, nay, near-perfect instant reply, of another recent woo nutter who had a similar "I can invent stuff out of my arse and overturn civilisation as we know it today except every scientists is against me" schtick with a physics proposition...

Have we got a sock-puppet woo in our midst??
 
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