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Old 27th December 2007, 10:33 PM   #1
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Osama Bin Laden is dead

About six minutes into this video, from a Nov. 2 news program, Benazir Bhutto mentions "Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama bin Laden". She's referring to Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh. Don't know if she misspoke or what.

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...7/33/96/427038 - Bhutto said Omar Sheikh killed Bin Laden
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Old 27th December 2007, 11:07 PM   #2
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The interviewer doesn't seem to have picked up on it either. Must be a mistake.
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Old 28th December 2007, 06:54 AM   #3
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I assume she meant to say Daniel Pearl.
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I assume she meant to say Daniel Pearl.
That would make sense. It's just strange that she never corrected herself, nor did David Frost.
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Here's a shorter clip. The moment in question is at 2.15.

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She was in the middle of a very long and convoluted statement, and it seems they were both trying to focus on what she was getting at, so they let that comment slip by unnoticed.

That she meant Daniel Pearl and not Bin Laden makes more sense than what she did say.

Why and how in hell would Omar Sheikh kill Bin Laden?
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Old 4th January 2008, 07:43 PM   #6
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If OBL was dead, we wouldn't hear it from just one Pakistani woman.

The news would've spread like wildfire in the Middle East.
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One would have to assume that she is in a position to really know this.

This likely was just been fourth-hand information that she believed, but which was wrong.
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Old 5th January 2008, 02:43 AM   #8
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If OBL was dead, we wouldn't hear it from just one Pakistani woman.

Well, the NWO seems to have stopped her saying it...
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OMG she was kiled by the CIA to cover up her words

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...w_too_much.htm


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Old 22nd January 2008, 06:50 PM   #10
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Why and how in hell would Omar Sheikh kill Bin Laden?
This guy's in prison, and has been for a few years. Is that right? Sorry for the stupid(ish) question, but i've got a truther who's claiming Bin Ladens dead and America is misleading everyone, and he's using the above video as evidence(of BL's death). Wanted to be sure of the answer of my question, before I posted a reply.

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Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer View Post
OMG she was kiled by the CIA to cover up her words

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...w_too_much.htm


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Oh, please!

Benazir Bhutto was far too intelligent, composed and articulate to misspeak, and we all know that Omar Sheikh did not murder Daniel Pearl. You are simply indulging in wishful thinking.
Where is the laughing dog?

A CTer accusing someone of wishful thinking!

I bet CTers think everyone on this list is a victim or participant (just pick one - it doesn't matter) in some vast conspiracy.
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i've got a truther
Is that like having an STD?
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Old 22nd January 2008, 07:02 PM   #13
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too articulate and composed to misspeak...lol

yes because the composed and articulate NEVER misspeak - That would defy the laws of physics...lol

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Why and how in hell would Omar Sheikh kill Bin Laden?
This guy's in prison, and has been for a few years. Is that right? Sorry for the stupid(ish) question, but i've got a truther who's claiming Bin Ladens dead and America is misleading everyone, and he's using the above video as evidence(of BL's death). Wanted to be sure of the answer of my question, before I posted a reply.
Yes, that's right, he couldn't kill him because Sheikh has been in prison since February 12, 2002, and he wouldn't kill Bin Laden because (from Wikipedia):

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The Times describes Saeed Sheikh as "no ordinary terrorist but a man who has connections that reach high into Pakistan's military and intelligence elite and into the innermost circles of Osama Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda organization." According to ABC, Sheikh began working for Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence in 1993. By 1994 he was operating training camps in Afghanistan and had earned the title of bin Laden's "special son".
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Old 22nd January 2008, 07:49 PM   #17
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Do you guys have any evidence that what she said was a mistake?
Speculating isnt allowed from what ive seen around here.
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Do you guys have any evidence that what she said was a mistake?
Speculating isnt allowed from what ive seen around here.
You have it backwards. The burden of proof lies with the claimant.
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Do you guys have any evidence that what she said was a mistake?
Speculating isnt allowed from what ive seen around here.
Ignoring the burden of proof fallacy here...

Wouldn't Bhutto's quote be considered speculating?
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Do you guys have any evidence that what she said was a mistake?
October 2nd, 2007: http://www.boston.com/news/world/asi...nst_bin_laden/
Bhutto basically says she'll help America catch Bin Laden. To me, that implies she thinks/knows he is alive, at that time.

November 2nd 2007: The video above is released
Bhutto says he was killed by Omar Sheikh.

Since Omar Shiekh was in prison between October 2nd and November 2nd, it's damn near impossible that he killed Bin Laden. And as previously posted above, he is good freinds with him. No reason to kill him.

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Ignoring the burden of proof fallacy here...

Wouldn't Bhutto's quote be considered speculating?
I don't think you are ignoring the fallacy at all. You are explaining it perfectly.
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Do you guys have any evidence that what she said was a mistake?
Speculating isnt allowed from what ive seen around here.
Do you have any evidence that Ms. Bhutto could have possibly known that a man who had been incarcerated since early 2002 killed Osama bin Ladin? Apparently she believed Osama was still alive a month previous to the interview, when she said she would cooperate with the American military to capture or kill him.
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A guy from Leytonstone, East London killing OBL?

I don't buy it.
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I would imagine that anything OTHER than she misspoke would be speculation, considering the link Slayhamlet provided.
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Has anyone interviewed the interviewer?

Surely if the truthers are correct he helped Dick Cheney eat the foundation of WTC7, thus initiating its collapse.
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Exclamation [Merged]Osama Bin Laden is Dead?

Osama Bin Laden was murdered according to Benazir Bhutto. He was murdered by Omar Shiek
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The BBC apparently deleted the statement from the aired interview but Al-Jazeera got a hold of the original interview and aired it

Anyone believe this?

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Osama Bin Laden was murdered according to Benazir Bhutto. He was murdered by Omar Shiek
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The BBC apparently deleted the statement from the aired interview but Al-Jazeera got a hold of the original interview and aired it

Anyone believe this?
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I believe somebody told her Osama was dead and she believed it.

But she was in absolutely no position to know that he is dead.

If he were dead and if we could prove it, now would be the time for the USA to reveal that as it would help the President's buddy get elected in November - BIG TIME.

And yet they say nothing?

He's either still alive or we just don't know either.
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Everytime I see this question come up I hear the following:

"Timothy Leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, He's outside looking in.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD > NATIONAL


Report: Bin Laden Already Dead

Wednesday, December 26, 2001
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Everytime I see this question come up I hear the following:

"Timothy Leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, He's outside looking in.
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I knew Tim Leary. He is really dead now.
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But she was in absolutely no position to know that he is dead.
Geographically she was next door basically right? On ground intel couldn't have played a part in her claim?
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Geographically she was next door basically right? On ground intel couldn't have played a part in her claim?
She was in exile. She returned to her country and was in danger for her life from the moment she arrived there. She had no freedom to move about, and had to depend on what those close to her told her. So... She could only repeat the hearsay she was told. She had no knowledge, just a belief.

Sorry, Charlie. This factoid won't become Starkist Tuna.

But it does stink like old fish.
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Omar Shiek was in jail at the time she must have been mistaken.
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Because third-hand reports from single anonymous sources with obvious agendas are never unreliable.

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What do ya'll think the reasoning was for the editing?
Official stance
"I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for what was an error of judgement and the confusion that this has caused."

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"I believe she did not intend to name 'Osama Bin Laden', rather she intended to say "Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Daniel Pearl". Omar Sheikh was found guilty of the videotaped 2002 murder of the journalist. It's possible that she just had Bin Laden on her mind at that moment in the interview..."

"Under time pressure the item producer responsible for publishing the video edited out the comment with the intention of avoiding confusion. On reflection this was clearly a mistake and should not have happened. There was no intention on our part to distort the meaning of the interview, and we will endeavour to replace the edited version currently available via the BBC News website with the original interview as broadcast by Al-Jazeera."

"During the interview Ms Bhutto made an allegation that Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Omar Sheikh. A claim which was unchallenged and so unexpected that it seemed most likely that she had mis-spoken."
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What do ya'll think the reasoning was for the editing?
Official stance
"I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for what was an error of judgement and the confusion that this has caused."

Adam Batstone

Editor BBC News Website Audio Video

"I believe she did not intend to name 'Osama Bin Laden', rather she intended to say "Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Daniel Pearl". Omar Sheikh was found guilty of the videotaped 2002 murder of the journalist. It's possible that she just had Bin Laden on her mind at that moment in the interview..."

"Under time pressure the item producer responsible for publishing the video edited out the comment with the intention of avoiding confusion. On reflection this was clearly a mistake and should not have happened. There was no intention on our part to distort the meaning of the interview, and we will endeavour to replace the edited version currently available via the BBC News website with the original interview as broadcast by Al-Jazeera."

"During the interview Ms Bhutto made an allegation that Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Omar Sheikh. A claim which was unchallenged and so unexpected that it seemed most likely that she had mis-spoken."
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I guess you can't have a bogey man without the man. Then you just get a war for Kleenex's.
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I guess you can't have a bogey man without the man. Then you just get a war for Kleenex's.
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