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Old 2nd April 2008, 02:38 AM   #1
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UN Appoints Ivy Leauge Troofer Official Israel Basher

I saw this over at Little Green Footballs today which in turned linked to the blog they picked it up from.

Here's the short version, former Princeton Professor Richard Falk has been appointed by the UN as "Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967".

This same Richard Falk, wrote a glowing foreword to David Ray Griffins "New Pearl Harbor":

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David Ray Griffin has written an extraordinary book... What makes The New Pearl Harbor so special is that it explores the most sensitive and controversial terrain - the broad landscape of official behavior in relation to the 9/11 disaster - in the best spirit of academic detachment coupled with an exemplary display of the strongest scholarly virtue: a willingness to allow inquiry to follow the path of evidence and reason wherever it leads... It should be underscored that this book does not belong in the genre of "conspiracy theories." It is a painstakingly scrupulous look at the evidence, and an accounting of the numerous discrepancies between the official account provided by the U.S. Government and the best information available.
For the UN to not only put their official stamp on the worst form of anti-semitic paranoia mongering since "Mien Kampf" but also to place one of these loons in a position where they are paid for their mindless Israel bashing is beyond insane.

Here's the irony; NWO obsessed troofers have always feared the UN as effectively the global government in utero. However, few things would likely demonstrate that the UN is worse than useless quite like it's apparent official endorsement of Alex Jones's quackery.

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Old 2nd April 2008, 03:02 AM   #2
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Oh joy. Still, at least the UN is effectively impotent.

As an aside, and rather OT, what, exactly, is wrong with the idea of a NWO anyway? Is it what they believe that will cause civilisation to come crashing down around us, or is it just the fact there will be a large government? I mean I'm not exactly saying we should welcome our new all-reaching masters, but still, having a nebulous concept of a government that would effectively rule out any chance of land grabs and terretorial wars as an enemy seems....odd.
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
I saw this over at Little Green Footballs today which in turned linked to the blog they picked it up from.

Here's the short version, former Princeton Professor Richard Falk has been appointed by the UN as "Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967".

This same Richard Falk, wrote a glowing foreword to David Ray Griffins "New Pearl Harbor":



For the UN to not only put their official stamp on the worst form of anti-semitic paranoia mongering since "Mien Kampf" but also to place one of these loons in a position where they are paid for their mindless Israel bashing is beyond insane.

Here's the irony; NWO obsessed troofers have always feared the UN as effectively the global government in utero. However, few things would likely demonstrate that the UN is worse than useless quite like it's apparent official endorsement of Alex Jones's quackery.
http://www.transnational.org/Area_Mi...eGenocide.html

just a jewish jews hater? i dont think so.
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Oh joy. Still, at least the UN is effectively impotent.

As an aside, and rather OT, what, exactly, is wrong with the idea of a NWO anyway? Is it what they believe that will cause civilisation to come crashing down around us, or is it just the fact there will be a large government? I mean I'm not exactly saying we should welcome our new all-reaching masters, but still, having a nebulous concept of a government that would effectively rule out any chance of land grabs and terretorial wars as an enemy seems....odd.
one world govermend is a two-sided sword, depends how much direct influence the ppl have. and when you see how much less influence the EU ppl have, im really happy my country didnt join, yet.
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Old 2nd April 2008, 03:15 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
one world govermend is a two-sided sword, depends how much direct influence the ppl have. and when you see how much less influence the EU ppl have, im really happy my country didnt join, yet.
Ha.

The EU isn't a government mate, it's a collective trade alliance. It only passes "laws" (rather resolutions) in order to keep the trade agreements updated and to ensure high standards of product quality and saftey.

Jesus man, calling the EU a government is like calling the former USSR Marxist. It shares very, very limited similarities, and is, in all other ways, totally different.
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Interesting is the comments section at the bottom of the UNISPAL article that all of this was based on...

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ITZHAK LEVANON (Israel) said that as the list of candidates for Special Procedures mandate holders was put forward today, he was overwhelmed at the profound sense of lost opportunity. The mandate of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territories was hopelessly unbalanced. This mandate was redundant at best and malicious at worst. It was impossible to believe that out of a list of 184 potential candidates, the eminently wise members of the Consultative Group honestly had made the best possible choice for this post. In a recent article, the proposed candidate stated that he did not think it was "an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with the criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity". Someone who had publicly and repeatedly stated such views could not possibly be considered independent, impartial or objective, as was explicitly required in the institution building text. The Human Rights Council was rapidly moving away from its raison d'être. The members of the Council were missing an opportunity to show the world that this Human Rights Council genuinely sought improvement, the chance to make a difference, and the prospect of laying the groundwork for better cooperation with Israel.

WARREN TICHENOR (United States) said that the Special Procedures, including country mandates, allowed the Human Rights Council an opportunity to view, monitor and help certain countries develop and improve their human rights situations. The United States respected the integrity of the procedure to elect candidates but expressed its concern on the mandate holder selected for the task of assessing the human rights situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. This had long since been a particularly sensitive mandate and he hoped that it would not be conducted with bias and partiality. That being said, he wished the other new mandate holders the best of luck in their new appointments.

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MARIUS GRINIUS (Canada) said that the appointment of this slate of Special Procedures mandate holders marked an important milestone in the development of the Council. The Special Procedures had been referred to as the crown jewels of the United Nations human rights system. The efforts which had gone into the presentation of this list were fully appreciated. Canada hoped that Members could respect the integrity of the agreed process, in which no State should have a veto over candidates. However, based on the writings of one of the candidates, the nominee for the mandate on the situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Canada expressed serious concern about whether the high standards established by the Council would be met by this individual. Therefore, Canada dissociated itself from any Council decision to approve the full slate.

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MOHAMMAD ABU-KOASH (Palestine) said it was ironic that Israel which claimed to be representing Jews everywhere was campaigning against a Jewish professor who had been nominated for the post of Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. The candidate was the author of 54 books on international law. Palestine doubted that those who had campaigned against him had read that many books. The candidate's nomination was a victory for good sense and human rights, as he was a highly qualified rapporteur. If Israel was concerned about human rights it would have ended its prolonged occupation.
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Ha.

The EU isn't a government mate, it's a collective trade alliance. It only passes "laws" (rather resolutions) in order to keep the trade agreements updated and to ensure high standards of product quality and saftey.

Jesus man, calling the EU a government is like calling the former USSR Marxist. It shares very, very limited similarities, and is, in all other ways, totally different.
where did i call it a government? i compared it to one. cause it is build up somehow like a government. and its not only about trade and quality levels.

and out of a swiss point of view, it directly takes away influence on my own government. and thats something i really dont like
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where did i call it a government? i compared it to one. cause it is build up somehow like a government. and its not only about trade and quality levels.

and out of a swiss point of view, it directly takes away influence on my own government. and thats something i really dont like
Ok, you can't compare the EU to a government becdause that's not even remotely like what it actually is. Better?

It takes nothing away from the powers of the government. Nothing. People like to say it does, of course, in the same way they like to say that the bible is literal, or that 9/11 was an inside job, but that doesn't make it true.

EU law only superceeds the law of the member state when the EU law is considered to be of a higher standard, for example the saftey laws concerning products produced in the EU. A large number of British product have a HIGHER safety standard than the EU regs, and they aren't changed. There are small laws regarding the naming of products, and there is the inculsion of a higher court of appeal, but other than that it's just a mutual trade-defence alliance. Really.
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This is getting OT far too much now.

Lets get back to the actual topic, shall we? That a lunatic anti-semite has been placed by the UN into a position where they can talk endlessly about how evil Israel is ad nauseum and get paid for it.
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Lets get back to the actual topic, shall we? That a lunatic anti-semite has been placed by the UN into a position where they can talk endlessly about how evil Israel is ad nauseum and get paid for it.
In other words, same old same old at the UN.
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In other words, same old same old at the UN.
counterweight to the anti palestinians.
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counterweight to the anti palestinians.
Males as much sense as the UN allowing totalitarian dictatorships a seat on the Human Rights Committee.
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Males as much sense as the UN allowing totalitarian dictatorships a seat on the Human Rights Committee.
so now you gonna claim that he is a totalitarian dictator?

laughable

and who has a longer tradition in seting up real dictatorships? the UN or the US?

Pinnochet? etc?
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one world govermend is a two-sided sword, depends how much direct influence the ppl have. and when you see how much less influence the EU ppl have, im really happy my country didnt join, yet.
You talk rubbis mate, show me how the EU has impinged on my freedoms or influence
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You talk rubbis mate, show me how the EU has impinged on my freedoms or influence
where did i claim freedom beeing taken away???
the contrary, the free traveling inside the EU is a sort of more freedom.

but when it comes to direct influence on the laws by the EU, the only country that is taking care about it is Ireland. there you will have a right to directly vote for or against such a EU law.

the only thing everyone was able to vote about is the EU Constitution.
and the EURO.

can you start a referndum against EU laws in your country?
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
so now you gonna claim that he is a totalitarian dictator?
Yes that's (China) exactly what (China) he's saying (China China China).

Good grief.
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
where did i claim freedom beeing taken away???
the contrary, the free traveling inside the EU is a sort of more freedom.

but when it comes to direct influence on the laws by the EU, the only country that is taking care about it is Ireland. there you will have a right to directly vote for or against such a EU law.

the only thing everyone was able to vote about is the EU Constitution.
and the EURO.

can you start a referndum against EU laws in your country?
This close to losing my civility.

The EU laws DO NOT replace the laws of the member state unless the laws of the member state are less strict than the EU alternative. EU law does not influence the vast majority of laws in the member state, and the only sections totally controlled by EU law are the ones governing trade and product quality.

Gah.
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This close to losing my civility.

The EU laws DO NOT replace the laws of the member state unless the laws of the member state are less strict than the EU alternative. EU law does not influence the vast majority of laws in the member state, and the only sections totally controlled by EU law are the ones governing trade and product quality.

Gah.
today i can directly take influence on every single law in my country, even change the constitution. but not in the EU.
and for me thats takeing away direct influence from me. and i dont like that, and alot ppl in my country dont like that i hope thats not gonna change.
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To be honest I never heard of the man so I really can't say if he's an anti-Semite or not. I do know this; it does not take an Ivy League professor to find the mountain of inaccuracies, half truths and out right lies in New Pearl Harbor. I have to question the reasoning abilities of anyone who cannot.
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http://www.transnational.org/Area_Mi...eGenocide.html

just a jewish jews hater? i dont think so.
I did a search of that site and found nothing about Hama, Syria. I wonder why that is. Maybe I missed it.
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
today i can directly take influence on every single law in my country, even change the constitution. but not in the EU.
and for me thats takeing away direct influence from me. and i dont like that, and alot ppl in my country dont like that i hope thats not gonna change.
Forgive me, but I'm not up on Swiis law but, unless it works in a way that's completely different to all other European (and many other) nations this is a load of old tosh.

The EU can be influenced by the people anyway, most just don't bother because, and here's the kicker, they don't think it matters enough to.
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today i can directly take influence on every single law in my country, even change the constitution. but not in the EU.
Didn't you get to vote for your MEP like I did?

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Forgive me, but I'm not up on Swiis law but, unless it works in a way that's completely different to all other European (and many other) nations this is a load of old tosh.

The EU can be influenced by the people anyway, most just don't bother because, and here's the kicker, they don't think it matters enough to.
and how you do that?
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Didn't you get to vote for your MEP like I did?

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erm no i repeat, we are not member of the EU
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
and how you do that?
Voting for MEPs?

They aren't just picked out of the air you know, they actually have to be voted for.

You know, like in every body of it's nature AND all governments.

(What's the betting now voting has been mentioned we'll be back to "so hey ARE a government!!!1"?)

Unless the Swiss system is an absolute democracy, whereby the individual has a vote on absolutely every issue, then the EU is equally open to public opinion.
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so now you gonna claim that he is a totalitarian dictator?
He didn't say that. He said this:

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Makes as much sense as the UN allowing totalitarian dictatorships a seat on the Human Rights Committee.
He used a SIMILE.

Your ability to decipher similes is about as good as Dylan Avery's.
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He didn't say that. He said this:



He used a SIMILE.

Your ability to decipher similes is about as good as Dylan Avery's.
the one i posted this to knows exactly well why i put those word in his mouth
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
the one i posted this to knows exactly well why i put those word in his mouth
Oh, do tell. This should be a scream.
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and how you do that?
I'm going to assume you actually are a five-year old, since you're behaving like one. Your Mummy and Daddy go to a special place every few years and write on a piece of paper which one of the men or women on the list they want to go to Brussels and decide what the laws are. If they're naughty men and women and don't decide to make the laws Mummy and Daddy want, Mummy and Daddy throw a tantrum and say they won't write their name on the piece of paper next time, so then they have to listen to your Mummy and Daddy and do what they say unless lots of other Mummies and Daddies throw tantrums and say they want different laws to the ones your Mummy and Daddy want. It's exactly the same as the way the laws in your own country are made, except that Mummy and Daddy write names on a different list for those laws.

We have a name for this. It's two big words: Representative Democracy. And what lots of little children don't know is that it works just the same in the EU as it does in the countries that make it up, except that it doesn't work as well because most Mummies and Daddies don't care so much what goes on in the EU. Maybe that's because the laws that the EU makes don't affect them as much as the laws their own countries make.

It's bed-time now. Tomorrow I'll read to you about Occam's Razor and the scientific method.

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Voting for MEPs?

They aren't just picked out of the air you know, they actually have to be voted for.

You know, like in every body of it's nature AND all governments.

(What's the betting now voting has been mentioned we'll be back to "so hey ARE a government!!!1"?)

Unless the Swiss system is an absolute democracy, whereby the individual has a vote on absolutely every issue, then the EU is equally open to public opinion.
no take influence on the laws i ment.
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This is getting OT far too much now.

Lets get back to the actual topic, shall we? That a lunatic anti-semite has been placed by the UN into a position where they can talk endlessly about how evil Israel is ad nauseum and get paid for it.

i dont know who this anti-semite is.....can you back up your claims that he is a racist?
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erm no i repeat, we are not member of the EU


You're complaining that you can't influence the laws of the EU when your country is not a member of the EU. Can you not, somewhere in the deepest recesses of your mind, begin to fathom the possibility of a reason why this might be?

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I'm going to assume you actually are a five-year old, since you're behaving like one. Your Mummy and Daddy go to a special place every few years and writes on a piece of paper which one of the men or women on the list they want to go to Brussels and decide what the laws are. If they're naughty men and women and don't decide to make the laws Mummy and Daddy want, Mummy and Daddy throw a tantrum and say they won't write their name on the piece of paper next time, so then they have to listen to your Mummy and Daddy and do what they say unless lots of other Mummies and Daddies throw tantrums and say they want different laws to the ones your Mummy and Daddy want. It's exactly the same as the way the laws in your own country are made, except that Mummy and Daddy write names on a different list for those laws.

We have a name for this. It's two big words: Representative Democracy. And what lots of little children don't know is that it works just the same in the EU as it does in the countries that make it up, except that it doesn't work as well because most Mummies and Daddies don't care so much what goes on in the EU. Maybe that's because the laws that the EU makes don't affect them as much as the laws their own countries make.

It's bed-time now. Tomorrow I'll read to you about Occam's Razor and the scientific method.

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you talk that way to your kids?

poor kids

in other words, you have no direct influence on what those elected ppl do

then i say, no thx

http://www.iniref.org/swissdemocracy.html

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post


You're complaining that you can't influence the laws of the EU when your country is not a member of the EU. Can you not, somewhere in the deepest recesses of your mind, begin to fathom the possibility of a reason why this might be?

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dave boy read the whole debate, maybe then your able to folow
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ummmmm..... riiiiiight.

I think it may now be time to detonate those explosives in the bridges and tunnels linking Switzerland to the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
you talk that way to your kids?

poor kids

in other words, you have no direct influence on what those elected ppl do

then i say, no thx

http://www.iniref.org/swissdemocracy.html
Jesus, you DO have representative democracy.....

In that case, I appologise.

I also extend my deepest sympathy.
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Oh, do tell. This should be a scream.
He's upset because in the Barbara Olson thread I called him out on his JAQing off. I did assert a theory to him he didn't make himself, but it was a reasonable one if you think Ted Olson lied about receiving a phone call from his wife.

But like all good truthers DC avoids making any actual claims himself.
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i dont know who this anti-semite is.....can you back up your claims that he is a racist?
I appologise, he doesn't seem to be an anti semite. Mea culpa.


Instead, it seems, he just darn well hate Israel. Oh joy, that's better.
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ummmmm..... riiiiiight.

I think it may now be time to detonate those explosives in the bridges and tunnels linking Switzerland to the rest of the world.
why? are we under atack?

you still dont belive it?

its a fact a fact you maybe dont like, but its a fact, a fact you didnt know.
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Double post.

ETA: Plus stupid capitalisation.
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