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Old 3rd April 2008, 02:53 PM   #1
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Rupert Sheldrake stabbed in leg at conference

This is really quite odd:

Santa Fe New Mexican:
Police arrest suspect after attack at lecture
April 2, 2008

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An Englishman speaking on "thought transference" during an international conference at La Fonda on Wednesday was stabbed in the leg by a Japanese man who seemed upset by his remarks, witnesses said.

Rupert Sheldrake of London was sitting up and alert as medics took him on a gurney to an ambulance outside Santa Fe's historic hotel at the southeast corner of the Plaza. Asked if he was OK, Sheldrake smiled and responded, "I hope so."

Hirano Kazuki, 33, of Yokohama, Japan, spent Wednesday night in jail after he was arrested on charges of aggravated battery and assault with intent to commit a violent felony. He provided no resistance as officers led him in handcuffs from the hotel.

Hirano had been attending the 10th International Conference on Science and Consciousness. Other attendees said he had been acting oddly.
Conference web page here:
http://www.bizspirit.com/science/index.html
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Old 3rd April 2008, 06:52 PM   #2
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What? He did not see it coming? You'd have thought his friends in the psychic community would have warned him.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 07:19 PM   #3
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Exactly where would this fit on "What's the Harm?"

I hope that Sheldrake recovers fully.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 07:24 PM   #4
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He may be a nitwit, but that doesn't warrant assault. Being Kent Hovind warrants assault, but not being Rupert Sheldrake.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 07:31 PM   #5
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Does Dawkins have any speaking engagements arranged in Japan anytime soon?
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Sheldrake, not being totally up on thought transference from nuts...mistook Hirano Kazuki's Japanese thoughts of "I'm going to stab you in the leg" for "I want you to sit up and beg".

Obviously Sheldake thought Kazuki was thinking about training his dog....
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Old 3rd April 2008, 08:34 PM   #7
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Other attendees said he had been acting oddly.
Yeah. Like all the other whackjobs at this new age reach around act normal?
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Old 3rd April 2008, 09:13 PM   #8
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And aren't some of the posts on this thread a wonderful advertisement for the modern skeptical movement....

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Old 3rd April 2008, 11:13 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by MachineElf View Post
And aren't some of the posts on this thread a wonderful advertisement for the modern skeptical movement....
Indeed they are! We could have behaved like the woos would at such happenstances - calling it "karma" or "God's will", and proceeding to wish death or worse on the victims of this silly violence. Oh, and not letting anyone else comment on that either...perhaps even expunging entirely all visibility of the odd contradictory but polite poster on their forum.

I see you have but 1 post just now. Let's just say you have much to learn here yet...
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Old 4th April 2008, 01:04 AM   #10
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Whoa! That's harsh. Although a House-style limp would up his cred points, I really don't wish any sort of harm on the guy, regardless of what I think of him.
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How strange. And a bit worrying. Hope he's okay soon.
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Originally Posted by MachineElf View Post
And aren't some of the posts on this thread a wonderful advertisement for the modern skeptical movement....
Yep. I mean people so often assume us skeptics are "glass half empty" people when we can actually quite often see the funny side of things.
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How strange. And a bit worrying. Hope he's okay soon.
Yeah, it is worrying. I mean, these sorts of pseudoscience conferences are bound to attract nutters, but violent nutters? It's not good.
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It sounds like RS was fortunate in a way. This could easily have been much worse.
I wish him a swift recovery. Sheldrake's nuts, IMO, but he's interesting nuts. It sounds like his attacker is a pretty disturbed individual- really nuts.
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Old 4th April 2008, 06:55 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by RSLancastr View Post
Exactly where would this fit on "What's the Harm?"
Well it seems pretty clear that the attacker had some sort of mental issue, I think I'll steer clear of this story.

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I hope that Sheldrake recovers fully.
I agree.
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Isn't Sheldrake the "morphogenic field" guy?

Does this mean stabbing people in the leg has now become easier for everyone?

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Old 4th April 2008, 07:30 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by MachineElf View Post
And aren't some of the posts on this thread a wonderful advertisement for the modern skeptical movement....
Well. Welcome aboard Mr Elf. May I call you Machine? Since I was the second poster, you just have to talking to me.

You should hear what I have to say about Woos that cause actual damage and are not just another Nutty Professor.
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Old 4th April 2008, 07:37 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by MachineElf View Post
And aren't some of the posts on this thread a wonderful advertisement for the modern skeptical movement....
Edited for shoddy generalizing? I wonder how shoddy your original post was.
By the way, I don't think that any harmless nut like Skeldrake deserves the old ultraviolence, O me droogs.
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Well. Welcome aboard Mr Elf. May I call you Machine? Since I was the second poster, you just have to talking to me.

You should hear what I have to say about Woos that cause actual damage and are not just another Nutty Professor.
No, I'm guessing I really shouldn't. I actually purposefully didn't reply to your post...what can you say about a joke that's been repeated at least 300 times by some of the worst journalists in the world (except maybe, "why")?

Although, have to give you points about cracking jokes when someone gets hurt in a violent attack...
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Edited for shoddy generalizing? I wonder how shoddy your original post was.
Just forgot to put the "some" in it, which was poor generalising. Then edited it, including the reason for doing so. Isn't that the done thing?

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Old 5th April 2008, 10:52 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by MachineElf View Post
No, I'm guessing I really shouldn't. I actually purposefully didn't reply to your post...what can you say about a joke that's been repeated at least 300 times by some of the worst journalists in the world (except maybe, "why")?

Although, have to give you points about cracking jokes when someone gets hurt in a violent attack...
What joke? Sheldrake is plugged into the psychic community. Surely someone or his dog could have warned him?

As for the violence involved:
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Rupert Sheldrake of London was sitting up and alert as medics took him on a gurney to an ambulance.
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Originally Posted by Myriad
Isn't Sheldrake the "morphogenic field" guy?

Does this mean stabbing people in the leg has now become easier for everyone?
Only in New Mexico and thereabouts.

Speedy recovery, Rupert.

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Originally Posted by MachineElf View Post
No, I'm guessing I really shouldn't. I actually purposefully didn't reply to your post...what can you say about a joke that's been repeated at least 300 times by some of the worst journalists in the world (except maybe, "why")?

Although, have to give you points about cracking jokes when someone gets hurt in a violent attack...
"At least 300 times already"? Really?

I don't think that any skeptic wishes physical harm on anybody (except perhaps those who really deserve it).

BTW, I came across this story while listening to Science Saturday on Bloggingheads TV.
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Yeah. Like all the other whackjobs at this new age reach around act normal?
I think it's all the more telling that they thought Kazuki was acting oddly.

Glad to hear Sheldrake is O.k. and hope he has a speedy recovery.
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What could possibly lead someone to think that sort of retribution is okay?

There are a lot of people who I fully disagree with, but causing harm to someone for such a reason is ridiculous. I know a lot of people hold different (read: wooish) worldviews than me, and I certainly wouldn't want to be stabbed or otherwise assaulted for mine.
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What could possibly lead someone to think that sort of retribution is okay?
I haven't read any defense yet for the guy who did it, but ... he was at a conference about thought transference. You don't think there's the slightest possibility he thought Sheldrake was tellling him something else? That maybe he thought they had been arguing between themselves without anyone else overhearing?

It would not surprise me to see adefense along the lines of him thinking someone told him to do it, or that he was having a disagreement with Sheldrake. In fact, it might even be interesting to see what kind of response Sheldrake could give if the guy claims he was 'controlled' by someone else. That kind of thing has to really test your commitment to what you tell people.
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The LaFonda is a nice hotel. I can see why wooish conferences would like it.
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And aren't some of the posts on this thread a wonderful advertisement for the modern skeptical movement....
You have three posts in total on this forum, and they are all in this thread and all criticising the responses in this thread.

Do you have any actual other interests for discussion other than how some sceptics post about Rupert Sheldrake's assault?

There are some threads other than this one. You know, if, perhaps, you really wanted to engage in discussion with anyone... about anything...
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