To 9/11 TM: WTC7 being a CD is illogical.

quicknthedead

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WTC7 is the main reason why people believe 9/11 was an inside job, referring to it as the “smoking gun of 9/11”. They believe it was a controlled demolition because it looked like one (I also thought this).

Nonetheless, there is no hard evidence yet that WTC7 was a CD. There is only the fact that it looked like one (plus added speculation to help bolster this viewpoint). Yes, I still contend WTC7 looked like a CD…but does this mean it really was one?

The answer is no because logically it could not have been. Here's why.

#1. If WTC7 was a CD, it had to have been setup well beforehand, since a CD takes a minimum of weeks to prepare.

Interestingly, CD expert Danny Jowenko stated it might have been possible for a team of experts to have quickly prepped the building for CD the day of 9/11. Yet when he was then told that WTC7 had been on fire all that day, he went silent in bewilderment, for he then believed the building could not have been setup that day, realizing it had to be a CD setup beforehand (and all the implications that thought entailed). All the same, Danny Jowenko based his thinking on the fact that it looked like a CD, which it did. But just because it looked like one does not mean it was, and with that said, there are other CD experts who do not believe it was.

#2. If WTC7 was a CD, then supposedly unknown criminals planned and executed it “stealthily” under/inside the “cover story” of 9/11.

I.e., they planned to couch it inside the events of 9/11, which means our hypothetical perpetrators had to have known ahead of time that:

…….(a) airplanes crashing into the towers would cause them later to collapse, and thereby

…….(b) damage WTC7 sufficiently so it too would collapse and look as if it was a result of fire and debris damage (and not to be considered a CD, which our hypothetical perpetrators planned ahead of time to carry out with cunning deception).

So, if WTC7 was a CD, both #1 and #2 must be true and dependent upon (a) and (b).

However, how could anyone know for sure in advance that crashing airplanes into the towers would result in…….

…….#3 the towers being damaged so severely (by fire and structural failure) that they would collapse so that…….

…….#4 WTC7 would also be so severely damaged by debris from the fallen towers so as to result in its later collapse (by fire and structural failure)?

For the above to be true, our hypothetical perpetrators would had to have known the future in advance detail, which is not possible.

In addition, to argue our perps could have known ahead of time because they were "manipulating" Al Qaeda in some way {LIHOP and/or "privy to their plans"} is also untenable because this too is dependent upon knowing for sure that #3, collapse of the towers, would occur and also cause sufficient damage to WTC7 to provide the plausible explanation needed for #4. This is at the heart of why it could not be a CD.

For it to have been controlled demolition means our hypothetical perpetrators would have known their plan was dependent upon #3 and #4 taking place, but these were not givens. One might argue they could have ensured #3 happening (i.e., destroy the towers by CD “also”), but no one could possibly have known the extent of #4 (ensuing damage to WTC7 from the collapsing towers) that would be needed to take place sufficiently for their “cover story”. Therefore, "they" would have known "their plan" was severely flawed from the beginning and would not have carried it out; thus "their plan" would have become "non-existent", and this is why "they are non-existent".

There is no crystal ball, and there was no supposed plan to bring WTC7 down by CD. To think otherwise beggars the imagination, and the plausibility of WTC7 being a CD makes no sense logically.

Think about it.
Your thoughts are welcome.
 
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it doesn't make sense to me either, but for a simpler reason.

If they went to the trouble of sending a couple of planes into the other two buildings to 'cover up a CD', then why make the 3rd building collapse 'look like a CD' ?:boggled:
 
On top of what you have just posted I would like just to add to this comment.

Yes, I still contend WTC7 looked like a CD…but does this mean it really was one?
I have always had an issue with "It looks like a CD" because does it really make sense? Sure, I agree it does look like a CD but this in itself is a problem. Say, hypothetically all the conditions you have laid out in your post are met, that the "preps" went to this extraordinary effort to make all this happen,does it really make sense that they would not try and disguise the demolition of WTC 7? Does it really make sense that they would wait for the dust cloud to settle, allow the demolition to be filmed? Allow fire-fighters anywhere near it? Does it really make sense that they would demolish a building in full view of everybody when they had a perfect opportunity to do so when it was obscured?

The point is, if WRC 7 was demolished then it makes no sense that they would have allowed it to look like a CD. It makes far more sense that, if they really wanted to get away with it, they would have disguised it, maybe brought it down immediately after the towers had collapsed, hidden from view.

The fact that it looks like a CD, in my opinion makes it even less likely it was a CD, simply by the fact that had the "perps" had the fore thought to actually fore fill the criteria you have laid down then, as you say, it beggars belief that they would be so sloppy with the demolition of this building when they had plenty of opportunity to destroy it beforehand.
 
To 9/11 TM: WTC7 being a CD is illogical.

In other news, the pope is Catholic, bears [rule 10] in the woods, and Francisco Franco is still dead. See this post for "non animated visualization aids" (aka photographs) if necessary.
 
Quickandthedead, many people here have put forward the same arguments, but they have no effect on our resident troofers. Have you tried to put these points at a troof venue? What do Scholars for 9/11 Troof and Justice think? (You are a member, I believe).
 
according to beachnut, a CD always looks like a Collapse, so it would be very eye-catching would they produce a CD that does not look like a collapse.

and also if WTC7 would have not collapsed, alot JREFers would get suspiciously, they expect buildings to collapse.
 
according to beachnut, a CD always looks like a Collapse, so it would be very eye-catching would they produce a CD that does not look like a collapse.

and also if WTC7 would have not collapsed, alot JREFers would get suspiciously, they expect buildings to collapse.

No DC, it's 'truthers' who lack the imagination to understand that buildings can suffer catastrophic structural failure through impact damage and fire and that this can lead to total collapse of the structure.

It doesn't mean that it always will lead to failure, but the (high) possibility is there.

The 'truth' movement would rather believe that buildings NEVER fail unless they are deliberately demolished or damaged by earthquakes. That is your failing as a 'truther' : No imagination.

And to quicknthedead:

They believe it was a controlled demolition because it looked like one (I also thought this).

No, it looked like massive structural failure.
 
No DC, it's 'truthers' who lack the imagination to understand that buildings can suffer catastrophic structural failure through impact damage and fire and that this can lead to total collapse of the structure.

It doesn't mean that it always will lead to failure, but the (high) possibility is there.

The 'truth' movement would rather believe that buildings NEVER fail unless they are deliberately demolished or damaged by earthquakes. That is your failing as a 'truther' : No imagination.

And to quicknthedead:
No, it looked like massive structural failure.

ah i see, the OCT needs imagination.

how a building is collapsing seems not to be intersting for JREFers, collapse start is global collapse.
it doesnt mather how symmetric a building collapsed asymmetric damage and fiires will always lead to a symmetric collapse.
 
All the same, Danny Jowenko based his thinking on the fact that it looked like a CD, which it did.

Danny Jowenko had also been primed for this by being played the Silverstein "pull it" comment. He talks about it several times during his full interview.
 
Danny Jowenko had also been primed for this by being played the Silverstein "pull it" comment. He talks about it several times during his full interview.

I admittedly haven't heard or watched the full interview, but did Jvenko agree that 'pull it' is demo slang for demolishing buildings with explosives?
 
Jowenko's first language isn't English, but he speaks it quite well. He had no problem accepting that Silverstein was talking about demolishing the building. He says it several times.
 
how a building is collapsing seems not to be intersting for JREFers, collapse start is global collapse.
it doesnt mather how symmetric a building collapsed asymmetric damage and fiires will always lead to a symmetric collapse.

I'm sure the progression of the collapse is a fascinating subject. It's just not one that is supported by alot of detail and the description of the collapse would not provide any useful data for future construction projects.

If you were to speak with a structural engineer they would most likely discuss with you the subject of "Disproportionate collapse" and how building codes (and insurers) insist that structures do not suffer structural failure out of proportion to the damage they might sustain. However, your structural engineer is unlikely to touch upon the subject of "collapse arrest".

But if you think differently, I suggest you go and speak with a suitably experienced structural engineer.
 
I'm sure the progression of the collapse is a fascinating subject. It's just not one that is supported by alot of detail and the description of the collapse would not provide any useful data for future construction projects.

If you were to speak with a structural engineer they would most likely discuss with you the subject of "Disproportionate collapse" and how building codes (and insurers) insist that structures do not suffer structural failure out of proportion to the damage they might sustain. However, your structural engineer is unlikely to touch upon the subject of "collapse arrest".

But if you think differently, I suggest you go and speak with a suitably experienced structural engineer.

and i do have email contact to a very well known structural engineering professor that is agreeing that WTC7 is a CD.
 
No, it's not. Buildings are designed not to collapse, therefore, studying how a buiding collapses is about as important to construction engineering as studying how an airliner behaves when it impacts the ground at 500 mph is important to aeronautical engineering.

why do we waste money to see very detailed how a car deforms in a crash?
do we build cars to crash them?
 
why do we waste money to see very detailed how a car deforms in a crash?
do we build cars to crash them?

What a terrible analogy.
The point of designing buildings to be safe in this scenario, is that they dont collapse in the first place.
:)
Many designs wouldnt have collapsed after the plane impacts and fires, we already know what they are..
 
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and i do have email contact to a very well known structural engineering professor that is agreeing that WTC7 is a CD.


Does he have a name? Most structural engineers who swallow the fantasist snake oil, by the oddest coincidence, have no names.
 
It has been demonstrated beyond any shadow of a doubt that Silverstein's conversation with the unnamed FDNY commander had nothing to do with the subject of demolition. The distortion of his words was a deliberate deception perpetrated by a movement based entirely on falsehoods. Silverstein was selected as an object of slander primarily because he is Jewish.

By revealing the fundamental dishonesty of the fantasy movement, WTC 7 has turned out to be its Waterloo. No conspiracy liar has come close to fitting the collapse of this building into any sort of coherent conspiracy theory. It simply can't be done.
 

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