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Old 10th October 2003, 01:19 PM   #1
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Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, "under God"

OK so the first draft didn't say "under God" and Lincoln added it later. The real question is did he say it at Gettysburg? This is not clear to me from Randi's commentary.

We know that Lincoln belonged to no church, but that's not the question.

If Lincoln used the "under God" version when he actually delivered the address, then the quotation is legit.

I happen to have The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln (Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, New Jersey, 1955). That's eight volumes plus index volume.

I looked it up and both versions are there. Indeed there are several drafts all slightly different. But not the answer to my question.

Various newspaper reports garbled it or paraphrased.

The question is whether Lincoln said "under God".

It the answer even known?
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Old 10th October 2003, 01:25 PM   #2
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Maybe we can persuade John Edward to ask him?
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Old 10th October 2003, 06:02 PM   #3
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Here is a Web page dedicated to this mystery.
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Old 11th October 2003, 04:46 AM   #4
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Maybe we can persuade John Edward to ask him?
No, we should ask John Edward, Sylvia Browne and James Van Praagh.....simultaneously and in different rooms.
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Old 13th October 2003, 11:57 AM   #5
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In any case, the "under God" phrase is etched on the wall of the Lincoln Memorial.
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Old 13th October 2003, 12:04 PM   #6
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Here is a Web page dedicated to this mystery.
Very interesting. It agrees with what I already knew but provides addition information. I encourage any Lincoln enthusiast to click the link.

Still no definitive answer to my question. Perhaps no longer answerable.
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Old 13th October 2003, 12:15 PM   #7
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In any case, the "under God" phrase is etched on the wall of the Lincoln Memorial.
Well, if it's carved in stone that settles it!

Did you know that the Lincoln Memorial is modeled on the presumed appearance of the Temple of Zeus at Athens?



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Old 14th October 2003, 11:30 AM   #8
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...that this nation, under God shall have a new birth of freedom...

It seems to me that in any case, the "under God" could be interpreted two different ways; as a modifier of "this nation", or as an adverbial modifier to "shall have".

The first meaning, since it echoes the familiar pledge of allegience of today, seems to be the one everyone assumes; that "this nation" is somehow "under God".

But I think the placement of the commas in the ususal transcription indicates that the second meaning was intended; it's a polite and common way of saying "I'm making a prediction about the future, and I don't want to jinx it".

That's how I take it anyway.
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