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550 tons of Yellowcake removed from Iraq

Evidence of the left overs of a nuclear program we already knew about for years and had dealt with...
 
It had been dealt with by putting the material under seal and checking it on a periodic basis.

REPORT ON THE EIGHTEENTH IAEA ON-SITE INSPECTION IN IRAQ UNDER SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 687

With the exception of small quantities of natural uranium still to be recovered from waste at the Al Jezira site, all declared bulk uranium stock and intermediate process materials (total ~ 550 t uranium) have been verified and are maintained under seal at a single location. Most of this material, in the form of yellow cake, - about one-fifth declared after the Gulf War to have come from indigenous production and four-fifths from external sources - was never included in the pre-war safeguards inspection regime.
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This report was published on 26 April 1993, so we have known about this for a long time. The seals were still intact when they were broken by US forces during the invasion of Iraq.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
If it had already been “dealt with”, then why was it still there to be found?
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Because you can't make a bomb with yellowcake?

Seriously, this is the best we have? Some mildly radioactive material, and the remnants of a program that was disabled years ago and no one thinks was ever getting back on track.

Dear me, the most danger from it would be ignorant people panicking.
 
GreyICE said:
Because you can't make a bomb with yellowcake?
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Uh, my understanding of the situation is that it was kept a secret and flown out of the country because some tards could have gotten their hands on the material for whatever reason. So it wasn't so harmless in my opinion.
 
mrbaracuda said:
Uh, my understanding of the situation is that it was kept a secret and flown out of the country because some tards could have gotten their hands on the material for whatever reason. So it wasn't so harmless in my opinion.
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They said the biggest concern was that it would cause panic if someone used it in a bomb.

You'd basically have to walk around with a chunk of yellowcake taped to your body for a few months for it to have any effect.
 
mrbaracuda said:
Can't it be used for some 'dirty bomb'? I'm not too knowledgable about yellow cake :blush: ;)
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Not really, but it could certainly be used to pretend it was much more dangerous than it is, in a bomb, and no amount of reassurances would have prevented a panic.

However the point is that had the apologists, who closed the issue long ago, had their way it would by now have been processed into uranium, either in Iraq or perhaps in Iran.
 
Elind said:
Not really, but it could certainly be used to pretend it was much more dangerous than it is, in a bomb, and no amount of reassurances would have prevented a panic.

However the point is that had the apologists, who closed the issue long ago, had their way it would by now have been processed into uranium, either in Iraq or perhaps in Iran.
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Huh, I thought we were in favor of leaving the inspectors in Iraq, who were doing an absolutely marvelous job of keeping Saddam from getting any weapons. They were costing about $60 Million a year too, which at our current cost we could afford to keep them there instead of going to war, for... let me check... like a thousand years?

Interesting how we've been strawmanned into a different position, isn't it?
 
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GreyICE said:
Huh, I thought we were in favor of leaving the inspectors in Iraq, who were doing an absolutely marvelous job of keeping Saddam from getting any weapons. They were costing about $60 Million a year too, which at our current cost we could afford to keep them there instead of going to war, for... let me check... like a thousand years?

Interesting how we've been strawmanned into a different position, isn't it?
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You must be kidding. The inspectors were kicked out, many times, whenever convenient to Saddam, and they would have been disbanded even in principle had the apologists had their way; meaning no more sanctions since Saddam had presumably turned nice.
 
Elind said:
You must be kidding. The inspectors were kicked out, many times, whenever convenient to Saddam, and they would have been disbanded even in principle had the apologists had their way; meaning no more sanctions since Saddam had presumably turned nice.
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So the inspectors weren't working?

I thought Bill Clinton (the uber-liberal) took a hard line when Saddam kicked them out and forced him to take them back, and it was generally understood that would happen again if they got kicked out.

In fact Saddam did the exact opposite of kicking them out prior to the war - he gave them unprecedented access to absolutely every level of security in the country, allowing them to pull surprise inspections wherever they wish, and generally offer a level of openness that was commendable.

So who exactly are these apologists who would have let them be kicked out? And why aren't they keeping crows out of the fields like they're supposed to?
 
GreyICE said:
In fact Saddam did the exact opposite of kicking them out prior to the war - he gave them unprecedented access to absolutely every level of security in the country, allowing them to pull surprise inspections wherever they wish, and generally offer a level of openness that was commendable.
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Would it be possible to get a source for that claim?
 
Quad4_72 said:
Would it be possible to get a source for that claim?
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/07/sprj.irq.un.transcript.blix/index.html
Inspections in Iraq resumed on the 27th of November 2002. In matters relating to process, notably prompt access to sites, we have faced relatively few difficulties, and certainly much less than those that were faced by UNSCOM [U.N. Special Commission] in the period 1991 to 1998. This may well be due to the strong outside pressure.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker
In the few weeks before its fall, Iraq's Ba'athist regime made a series of increasingly desperate peace offers to Washington, promising to hold elections and even to allow US troops to search for banned weapons. But the advances were all rejected by the Bush administration, according to intermediaries involved in the talks.
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Moreover, there is significant tangible evidence that the inspections were working: No banned weapons, and no facilities for producing banned weapons were found. With complete access to the entire country, and total cooperation from the former government and current government, we have to assume that if they were there, they would have been found. They are not there, they do not exist, the inspections worked.
 
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GreyICE said:
So the inspectors weren't working?
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The inspections had become a farce under Blix and Co., but if you wish please spend the time to rehash the exact comedy play by play.

What is more important in the long run is your suggestion that they would have been playing cat and mouse with Saddam forever had there been no invasion. That is rubbish, all the countries that had been violating UN sanctions with him, including UN personnel, wanted those sanctions and inspection dropped, toute suite.
 
Elind said:
The inspections had become a farce under Blix and Co., but if you wish please spend the time to rehash the exact comedy play by play.
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Support, evidence, anything? How were they not working? This appears to be an item of faith for you, but the reasons for your faith seem non-obvious.
What is more important in the long run is your suggestion that they would have been playing cat and mouse with Saddam forever had there been no invasion. That is rubbish, all the countries that had been violating UN sanctions with him, including UN personnel, wanted those sanctions and inspection dropped, toute suite.
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Evidence? Sources?
 
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