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Can a sudden shock turn hair white overnight?
just having an argument...umm...heated discussion with my husband. He said that shock and stress can turn hair white, I claim that it has more to do with heredity.
Can anyone explain in layman's terms how hair turns white? And whether shock can turn a person's hair white instantly (I'm thinking of Mr. Rochester in Jane Eyre, I think after his deranged wife-in-the-attic attempted to kill him his hair turned white over night)? |
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The version I heard is that in someone who is already graying, a severe shock can cause hair to fall out over a matter of days. This simply makes already gray / white hairs far more obvious.
No idea if there's any truth in this. Prolonged stress (over months) certainly can cause signs of premature aging, one of which is loss of hair pigment, especially if it's nutrition related. |
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Hair is non-living and cannot change colour naturally. So (short of using bleach) hair that is already grown cannot turn white overnight or indeed at all.
When hair does turn white naturally the pigment cells in the hair follicle that colour the growing hair have been switched off for some reason (disease, injury, old age for example) and the hair that grows from that time is white. The overall colour of the hair will only change as fast as the hair grows. Yuri |
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Thanks Yuri! That was very understandable!
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Someone I know developed alopecia in patches on his head while going through a divorce. His hair still looked dark generally, although on close inspection there was some grey in it. Where he had alopecia it seemed to be the dark hairs that had fallen out, so it showed up as white patches. They were noticeable more because of the apparent colour change than because the hair was thinner. If this had happened over the whole of his head it would probably have looked very much as if he had suddenly gone white. |
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Well, if it happened to Gilligan, it must be true!
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There's a relevant and very interesting piece in Journal of the Royal Society of medicine about whether this is a myth or not - http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/101/12/574
Thanks to Mike Heap of the Association for Sceptical Enquiry (ASKE) for that one. Yuri |
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I always thought it was that. Possibly (speculating here) the white hairs are in the earlier part of the hair growth cycle (because the hair whitening is of relatively recent onset) and less easily triggered into catagen arrest. The "not getting access to a temporary hair dye" is an interesting theory too though. I was thinking that even a dye would have to grow out, but if it was something that washed out and had to be re-applied frequently, then yes. Rolfe. |
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Anecdotal; My grandfather was in the Kaiser's army in late 1917 and was saved from the horrible battles of WW-1 by getting an infection. Back then, the only way to combat a really bad infection was to surgically excise the tissue, and finally he had several infected ribs and a whole lot of tissue removed from his side and he was in the hospital for 9 months.
While he was there, his hair turned snow-white and stayed that way his whole life. |
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A related question: I keep hearing that once a particular hair follicle has lost its pigment, the hair will always be white. I know for a fact that this is not the case, as I have pulled out hairs that are brown at the end, white for most of the length and brown again towards the root - though there seems to be less pigment than originally.
What is the story with this? |
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If the sudden shock is being sprayed with really cold white paint, I suspect it is true. Otherwise, not so much.
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To give a slightly more detailed and accurate explanation, as hair ages to doesn't produce an enzyme called 'catalase' as efficiently as it used to. The body naturally produces hydrogen peroxide as a biproduct of a number of cellular reactions. This is the same sort of peroxide you use to bleach your hair. While it would normally be broken down into water and oxygen by catalase, in grey hair it destroys a number of proteins (including the pigments) and weakens the strand.
Is it possible for shock to produce grey hair? I don't know of any evidence that any of the biochemistry associated with stress or a shock can also turn off catalase production or increase hydrogen peroxide production, however I'm also not opposed to the possibility. However, as others have said, there's no way for the an existing strand to go white all at once. Athon |
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I believe that it is a recent study. I heard it on NPR science Friday. This adds one new process to aging and I believe the big breakthrough it the discovery of one of the mechanisms where this occurs.
Try looking up one of the NPR Science Friday episodes...I believe in was 4 weeks ago. |
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Coo, that took me ages, but I now know tons more about cornstarch and volcanoes and I am depressed to learn that my brain bears more than a passing resemblance to that of a 3 million year old fish
![]() Here's the link - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...&ft=2&f=510221 (Haven't read/listened to it myself yet) Yuri |
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Glad you found a link. I've got another link at work, to the actual paper I think, so if you need more I'll see if I can find it.
I agree that it surprised me that cells could produce enough peroxide to bleach the pigments. My first question was if it could produce that much, why doesn't it kill the cell? Athon |
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I actually came across some reference to graying hair and oxidative stress in my prior reading. So I did a quick search and the first article that came up was:
Senile hair graying: H2O2-mediated oxidative stress affects human hair color by blunting methionine sulfoxide repair. FASEB J. 2009 Feb 23. [Epub ahead of print] Wood JM, Decker H, Hartmann H, Chavan B, Rokos H, Spencer JD, Hasse S, Thornton MJ, Shalbaf M, Paus R, Schallreuter KU. I think you are on the right track with correlating increased H2O2 levels in the hair follicle with graying, but not due to bleaching. The increasing levels of H2O2, actually alter proteins involved in melanogenisis due to oxidation of certain met residues. I skimmed the article and here is an excerpt from figure 7.:
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As far as the OP's question, I don't know. But extreme stress is related to increased cellular oxidative stress. So, it seems plausible that extreme stress could functionally alter the melanogenisis resulting in gray hair. skeptiquette ![]() |
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Happier now, that makes far more sense - H2O2 impairing melanogenesis. Bleaching is ridiculous
![]() Re-grounding to the OP though; regardless of the mechanism of hair turning white there is no way that already pigmented hair could do so overnight by any natural process. Yuri |
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I agree with both Yuri and Athon that although psychological stress could conceivably induce oxidative stress [1], resulting in increased H2O2 production, which at millimolar concentrations in the hair follicle can impair melanogenesis, the sudden(overnight)change of hair color seems implausible.
However, a relatively short transformation from normal hair color to gray at an earlier than expected (young age), seems entirely plausible. Take for example, the anecdote offered earlier about the soldier in WWI. It could be hypothesized that the extreme psychological stress of war induced an elevated level of cellular oxidative stress resulting in distruption of melanogenesis (other elements of war including but not limited to: diet, infection, toxic exposures, etc. could also contribute significantly to oxidant load. Actually, in this particular case, infection and surgery seem more like prime candidates for prooxidant conditions than psychological stress, I would say a combination of factors is likely.) It seems like graying associated with ageing would be more likely due to a decreased capacity to detoxify normal prooxidant loads, rather than a increased oxidant load overwhelming the normal antioxidant system.[2] In either case I was thinking that this would be an absolutely prime target for PNC enzyme therapy[3]. Joobz, would be able to offer plenty of insight into this. It seems as though it would be feasible to use a targeted (to hair follicle specific Cellular Adhesion Molecules CAM's) polymer nanocarrier to transport catalase to the H202 overwhelmed hair follicle. Resulting in a substantial decrease (from millimolar back to micromolar, well that would be the goal) in H2O2 concentration, thus allowing the normal progression of melanogenesis and reversion from gray to normal hair color. Joobz, would this be feasible? Do you know of anyone working on any project like this? This could be a novel approach to treating graying hair in the ageing population! 1. Sahin E, Gümüşlü S. Stress-dependent induction of protein oxidation, lipid peroxidation and anti-oxidants in peripheral tissues of rats: comparison of three stress models (immobilization, cold and immobilization-cold). Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol. 2007 May-Jun;34(5-6):425-31 Abstract:
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My grandad was a pipe smoker. He'd smoke in bed and tap the pipe out in a nearby ashtray. The story goes he awoke one night to find the mattress burning. It was an old horsehair type thing. He saw a large red glowing hole by his side. Apparently, my old nan used to say, he jumped up, took the stairs in three steps filled a bucket of water and put it out.
My nan used to say his hair turned white overnight, although my dad reckoned it took a few weeks. He quickly went bald shortly after as well. BV |
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I think I.v. vascular immunotargeting would be overkill for grey hair. Also, I don't think the repeat injections (with high immunogenic probability) would be useful for long term use. However, A topical carrier that can penetrate the follicle could work. There's been studies about certain excipients that can aide drug delivery through the transfollicular pathway.
Seriously, this is a very interesting concept, and one that's fairly doable. Catalase is an extremely cheap protein and could possibly be delivered this way. I don't know anyone doing it, but I can do some looking into it. It's a good idea. Well, considering how cheap hair dye is, it still may be an overkill approach. but does have the advantage of no longer having "exposed roots". So, perhaps that's enough to get the vanity crowd on board. I have no clue what you're talking about. ![]() ![]() |
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