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Bigfoot Body in Georgia!
Recently a website appeared called Bigfoottracker.com:
http://www.bigfoottracker.com/ Run by a police officer named Matthew Whitton, the website claims to have a Bigfoot Body! Adding to the sensational nature of this story, officer Whitton was recently shot in the line of duty: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met..._shooting.html A number of YouTube videos from Bigfoottracker have been uploaded and are found here: http://www.youtube.com/user/RDYER678 One video, now deleted, showed officer Whitton meeting an individual identified as "Paul VanBuren", allegedly a PhD who was to examine the Bigfoot body. Shortly after this video was posted, an attentive individual posting as "Nightwing" on the Bigfoot Discussions forum did some Internet sleuthing, and discovered the identity of "Paul VanBuren": http://bigfootdiscussions.invisionzo...post&p=1396885 It's a bizarre and convoluted hoax, but it does shed light on how Bigfootery has always considered police officers as sources of unimpeachable testimony, especially when it comes to eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot. |
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Great. I'm glad I'm usually not in Clayton.
It is interesting that because a police officer said it, it's supposed to be more credible. As if they're somehow not capable of being mistaken or dishonest. |
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Damn, I was hoping our creekfreak had finally struck paydirt.
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Someone else reposted the video that Ric Dyer (RDYER678) removed (presumably after that thread was posted). Here it is:
The "scientist flying in" sequence starts around 3:54, "Van Buren" appears around 4:50 and runs to 8:40. (With a slight detour to ask an airport employee if they would vote for Bigfoot if he ran for President. !!!) |
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The connection between officer Whitton and the bigfoot website has made the local papers too.
http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?S...rticleID=24626
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This one just links to the story above... http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/fre...ots-dead-body/ |
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If anyone else is disturbed that an officer of the law is defrauding the public with bigfoot nonsense like this, you might want to let his employer know. I did.
I pointed out to the police chief the fraudulent "primate expert" video that I linked above. I also pointed out another video posted under the RDYER678 YouTube account titled "POLICE SHOT BIGFOOT TRACKER" in which he is pretty clearly identified, in violation of the policy mentioned in that news article. Here's the contact page for the Clayton County Police Department: http://www.claytonpolice.com/Directory.htm If you do call or write: be civil, polite and above all BRIEF. These are busy professionals trying to keep people safe, show them some respect. |
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Browsing the bigfoottracker site I noticed they offer $500 ($100 non refundable deposit) expeditions: "EXPEDITION WITH FORMER ARMY RANGER GUIDE RIC DYER WHO WILL LEAD YOU TO THE BRINK OF A BGFOOT [sic] ENCOUNTER." So, you're brought to the brink of an encounter, but not a full encounter. If they were running a brothel, I imagine they wouldn't have much return business.
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I am less concerned about Bigfoot (feet) breeding than I am about these nutballs breeding! And what's up with the arm? Did Bigfoot chew it off? I could barely watch the video. The "busy scientist" really cracked me up! Comedy is a wonderful thing!
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Those guys are full of crap, but this one is real!
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No wonder that police officer is so interested in catching him!
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Imagine you are a defense attorney whose client was arrested by this officer. Every single time he goes on the stand he's going to be asked about this, and the video will be presented. It will be used to bring his credibility into question.
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I find it amusing that this is coming out of Clayton. This county's leadership is so corrupt and incompetent that their public school system is in the process of losing its accreditation.
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This whole thing looks more like a satirical joke than a hoax with serious intent. It's set up to mimic the Bigfoot expeditions run by BFRO (Matt Moneymaker) and Searching for Bigfoot (Tom Biscardi). The claim of a body is similar to things Biscardi has promoted in the past.
The Bigfooter community is going bonkers over this. That may be the whole idea for doing it. It wouldn't be the first time somebody created a "hoax" to show how ridiculous Bigfootery is. Penn & Teller faked a Bigfoot encounter to demonstrate how gullible and strange the believers can be. Nobody has confirmed that these guys are actually taking money from anyone for anything. So far it seems more weird than funny. The follow-up YouTube videos by these guys shows them laughing amongst themselves and confessing to their own gags. But we do still have a Bigfoot body. LOL! |
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So this might be the first documented application of Poe's Law to the bigfoot genre? Interesting.
Oh, I got a reply from the Police Chief:
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Maybe not the first. Penn & Teller produced an elaborate Bigfoot hoax with the intent to fool the believers. It worked, in spite of them filming an off-the-shelf Bigfoot costume. It was done as a "hoax" to be later revealed as such to show the gullibility of believers.
This Georgia thing seems to be targeted at the Bigfoot believers. These guys did not publicly announce that they have a Bigfoot body in a way that would be realistic. Launching a website and making a YouTube clip is not the same as contacting the mass media and/or scientific institutions because you have a Bigfoot body. The content of the website and videos are so ridiculous that it's hard for me to think about this as being something I would call a hoax. The "articles" in The Onion are not hoaxes - they are satires, parodies and comedy. Many of the devoted BF believers are angry about this even after the YouTube confessions. There is nothing to talk about concerning Bigfoot so they talk about this. They call these silly jokers fools, idiots, scammers and lawbreakers. LOL. Anything to take the spotlight off of the obvious... Bigfoot is quite obviously nothing more than a myth and a hobby for an odd subculture. The Georgia guys say that two specific Bigfoot books are full of lies. Huh? The central thesis of those books is that Bigfoot exists. You are the first people to possess a Bigfoot body and you say that those books are bogus? WTF? Q: What did the three-legged tortoise say to the yucca plant? A: I don't even want to hear the answer. I will tell you that you are a fraudulent, lying hoaxer before you can even say another word. Tortoises cannot speak and yucca plants cannot hear. I'm going to contact your boss to tell him about the bullcrap you are spreading on the world. It isn't funny! |
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You've heard it before. He did ask exactly that.
It put the yucca into a dilemma of sorts. As a rule, yuccas do not accept tips. But besides that, all yuccas had assumed that tortoises could not speak. Further, all tortoises had assumed that yuccas could not hear anything. Yet, here was an instance where a tortoise spoke to a yucca and the senses worked on both sides of the living world. Alas, it was not a joyous new world order. The yucca was stunned at the sound of a speaking tortoise. Surely this must have meant that tortoises were capable of speech but had always concealed this from the yuccas. The yucca could see that this tortoise was missing a leg. This handicap must have put him into an existential mental state. He had discarded the bindings of social norms as he struggled to trek out on the parched sands with a missing leg. The truth is that tortoises always tip and they never speak to yuccas. He never meant to bring harm to the yucca plant. The yucca had a brand new complex problem. If he told the other yuccas that a tortoise spoke to him they would never believe and begin to treat him as a woo. They wouldn't even ask him if he took the tip and if he had saved it or spent it. He thought of seeking out the mother of the tortoise and telling her that it surely must be illegal for tortoises to speak to yucca plants. But that would then reveal to the tortoises that yuccas had ears. What to do? The yucca decided that the best plan was to throw a plastic tarp over the tortoise voice and tell the other plants that the truth about tortoise speech would be revealed on September 1st. I have tortoise words under the plastic! Moral of the story: Nobody finds disconnected tortoise legs in the desert, so they should not then just go ahead and think that Bigfoot doesn't exist. |
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Of course it won't work.
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Our friends in Georgia have a new YouTube masterpiece up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNp-AjCOO4w At about 1:07 into the vid they overlay "100% fake" over Patty. This strikes me as something the "heel" would do in pro wrestling, so now I have to wonder if this wasn't a well thought out media stunt from the very beginning. First get some attention, then ratchet up the trolling to get MORE attention. Hey, maybe these guys are channeling Beckjord from beyond, and running plays from his playbook... |
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These guys posted their first video on June 28th. Only three days later, a video from BFNYGIRL gets posted slamming the BFRO. It uses the same production style and fonts as the Georgia guys. At the end it announces support for bigfootrackers.com.
It was probably made by the Georgia guys. |
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It's interesting that these guys do not have anything specific to say to strong Bigfoot skeptics. Instead, they have targeted critiques at those who already do believe in Bigfoot.
Instead of saying "For those folks who insist that Bigfoot is a myth, we have...", they say Coleman, Meldrum and the BFRO are wrong about Bigfoot. They are focused on ridiculing BF believers, not skeptics. |
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If it wasn't for the claims of a furry body being frozen in ice, I'd swear that the "body" they're going to unveil would be a concise debunking that'd kill the concept of Bigfoot for the general public.
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You know, as odd as it sounds, it's nice to have a bit of famous woo in Georgia that, for once, is not Jesus-related.
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Georgia cop takes aim at the giant bullseye on bigfootery's butt.
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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Yes. Do they have a forum? I'm thinking that something as innocuous as a fingerprint could be lifted and posted. You know, something that can be debated and analyzed.
(I'm trying to keep it easy, I could have asked for a footprint, which could then be easily authenticated against the prints already in researchers' possession.) |
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Make fun all you want, but this is the real deal folks.
I'm sure of this because the Sasquatch Detective, Steve Kulls using his 20 years of investigative experience has put his seal of approval on the story. His ability to smell a hoax is unparalleled in the Bigfoot community. If you doubt that, just ask him, he'll tell you. |
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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It looks like this one is the real deal, Biscardi says so:
http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.ph...7&st=0&start=0
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Are bigfoots christians?
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Bingo! There's a picture of the purported sasquatch in the General Discussion Forum thread at BFF. I believe that the posted picture is a 'captured frame' of a video that was posted by these guys.
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When I read the title, I though what is Bigfoot doing in the Georgia/Russian conflict, then I go "oh the state",
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