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Old 29th July 2008, 05:33 PM   #1
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Turn off internet..and 9-11 Truth disappears

I was without the internet for 9 days since I was in England and Wales. And an amazing thing happened....9-11 Truth..and pretty much all other conspiracy theories..vanished into thin air.

I went all over London, saw lots of protests including Falun Gong, anti-war, and a crazy English fellow who was preaching the bible in Trafalgar Square. But I saw no truthers. No one yelling about the NWO, chemtrails, or tv fakery.

What is life like without 9-11 truth or other conspiracies?

I tell ya...it is truly grand.

I now more then ever believe that 9-11 truth and other silly ideas are 100% only alive in the world of the internet. That is...the pseudo-world, the non-world, the world of teenagers in their basemants.

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Old 29th July 2008, 06:15 PM   #2
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Whoh you tawkin abahh? You went ararhn old Lurndun did yer? Took in a bit uh ver seeneree did yer? Went rahn Leicester Squwayah? And nah you fink you knows what it’s all abahh does yer? This tarhn? This wurld? I should warn you son: if you get sucked intuh vis wurld, you’ll get sucked back ahhrt ver uvah side again. Nah mean? I’ll bloody strike yer misself.
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Old 29th July 2008, 06:27 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by parky76 View Post
I was without the internet for 9 days since I was in England and Wales. And an amazing thing happened....9-11 Truth..and pretty much all other conspiracy theories..vanished into thin air.

I went all over London, saw lots of protests including Falun Gong, anti-war, and a crazy English fellow who was preaching the bible in Trafalgar Square. But I saw no truthers. No one yelling about the NWO, chemtrails, or tv fakery.

What is life like without 9-11 truth or other conspiracies?

I tell ya...it is truly grand.

I now more then ever believe that 9-11 truth and other silly ideas are 100% only alive in the world of the internet. That is...the pseudo-world, the non-world, the world of teenagers in their basemants.
Can't be, with the massive increase at p4t from 30 pilots, to 50 in one year; you must of been stopped and asked to join! ?

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Old 29th July 2008, 06:31 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by parky76 View Post
I went all over London, saw lots of protests including Falun Gong, anti-war, and a crazy English fellow who was preaching the bible in Trafalgar Square. But I saw no truthers. No one yelling about the NWO, chemtrails, or tv fakery.
Uh oh. Now you've let the cat out of the bag. Truthers will now descend on London in droves. They'll sully the streets, trash the lous, ruin the pubs, and spread The Plague everywhere. Oh, the humanity....!
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Old 29th July 2008, 06:39 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by parky76 View Post
I was without the internet for 9 days since I was in England and Wales. And an amazing thing happened....9-11 Truth..and pretty much all other conspiracy theories..vanished into thin air.

The TM is pretty much dead in the main steam media. A few truthers might manage to get themselves arrested for 'confronting' Obama and McCain (as one did for at a Bill Clinton campaign appearance for Hilary a few months ago) but otherwise it's pffff... if Obama is elected... double pffff.

As I stated elsewhere, the recent BBC ‘Third Tower’ program is the last major attention the TM will receive from the MSM. The party’s over.

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Old 29th July 2008, 06:58 PM   #6
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Parky turns off internet - and disappears

Seems like a win-win situation. Bye, Parky! Have a nice life!
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Old 29th July 2008, 07:18 PM   #7
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The only public demonstrations of tr00th I've even heard of:
- a bumper sticker stuck on a traffic sign, last year
- a buddy telling me about a nimrod at this year's Bonnaroo holding up an inside job/jonesreport bumper sticker/sign

Teh twoof is dead, throw some lime on the corpse until the plastic FEMA coffins arrive.
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Old 29th July 2008, 07:26 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by parky76 View Post
I was without the internet for 9 days since I was in England and Wales. And an amazing thing happened....9-11 Truth..and pretty much all other conspiracy theories..vanished into thin air.

I went all over London, saw lots of protests including Falun Gong, anti-war, and a crazy English fellow who was preaching the bible in Trafalgar Square. But I saw no truthers. No one yelling about the NWO, chemtrails, or tv fakery.

What is life like without 9-11 truth or other conspiracies?

I tell ya...it is truly grand.

I now more then ever believe that 9-11 truth and other silly ideas are 100% only alive in the world of the internet. That is...the pseudo-world, the non-world, the world of teenagers in their basemants.

ditto... Albeit they have aired Zeitgeist and Terrorstorm on my university campus, and I stumbled into one of them while waiting for one of the architecture lectures last year.... there were a whole THREE PEOPLE in the entire room watching it though... after that... never saw more offline....
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Old 29th July 2008, 07:33 PM   #9
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It is so true. If the internet suddenly went down...forever, the truth "movement" would simply not exist, and a whole new generation of McDonald's employees would rise from mom's basement.

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Old 29th July 2008, 07:39 PM   #10
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This thread reminds me that I spend too much time thinking about 9-11 nutjobs.
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Old 29th July 2008, 07:52 PM   #11
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I now more then ever believe that 9-11 truth and other silly ideas are 100% only alive in the world of the internet.
And yet another thing 9/11 Truth has in common with many forms of deviant pornography.
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Old 29th July 2008, 08:29 PM   #12
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In Real Life, I've encountered any sign of the Truth Movement exactly three times.

First was a friend who believed in the "In Plane Sight" video. But in all fairness, he believes in virtually every brand of woo known to modern humans -- JFK, aliens at Area 51, weather machines run by the Yakuza, you name it. The Truth Movement is the only one of those things I was able to convince him was bunkum. That's kind of telling.

Second was two copies of Dr. Griffin's books in my local Vroman's. One was the copy I purchased to review, as you all know. I was kind of seeking them out for the purpose, so this should only get half-credit, perhaps.

Third was a lone handbill in San Francisco advertising for a major Truth Movement gathering in April of this year. One lonely little photocopied piece of paper. I understand the event itself, of which I saw no other sign during the weekend I was there, attracted something like 50 people. For comparison, I counted 80 people watching a street mime at the Powell Street BART station, simultaneous with this event.

Reality is not kind to the Truth Movement. However, in rising to meet its charges, I've learned a great deal, and I hope others have too. It was silly while it lasted.
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Old 29th July 2008, 08:40 PM   #13
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I live in a state with a population density of 1174 residents per square mile and havent found one yet in three years.
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Old 29th July 2008, 09:08 PM   #14
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Actually, now that I think about it, I have never met an actual troofer in real life. The closest I have come was driving behind an SUV with an ad for Freedom to Fascism on the back window last weekend. Maybe they don't really exist...

Oh wait, I did video that one troofer at a Michael Shermer book signing, but then again I went to that book signing expecting that it would attract troofers. So I guess they are kind of like a rare species of animal, if you want to find one you have to put out bait.
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This thread reminds me that I spend too much time thinking about 9-11 nutjobs.
Thats funny because its true.
And to the Op, please dont worry about the truth so much.
Its not healthy.
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Old 30th July 2008, 01:20 AM   #16
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I wish I could avoid reminders of 9/11 truth. Unforunately, a (the?) lone truther took it upon himself to purchase hundreds of bumper stickers from prisonplanet.com and plaster them all over this city. One of these days, I'm going to track down each and every one of those stickers and tear them down.

By the way, in the hypothetical situation that I had this lone truther's license plate number, should I give it to the police? Or should I go through one of the property owners whose property was vandalized by these stickers?
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Old 30th July 2008, 01:21 AM   #17
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Synthetic Revolution:

It involves their keyboard and computer chair and is conducted only because they know the government won't fight back against such nonsense. When the chance presents itself to actually revolt...i.e. not paying their taxes...when they know the government will fight back, they cower and comply.
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Old 30th July 2008, 02:35 AM   #18
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It's the Snakes on a Plane effect. Overhyped on the internet but translating to almost nothing in real terms. It's easy to be loud on the internet and convince yourself that people care, but real life? It's Snakes on a Plane, baby, snakes on a plane. Ron Paul was also Snakes on a Plane to a massive, hilarious degree.
In real life I vaguely know like two or three people who believe - well, everything. As long as what they're being told doesn't come from "the mainstream media" then it must be TRUE. Creationism. UFOs. Any conspiracy going. To be honest the second they started really believing this stuff was the day I started hanging out with them less.
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Old 30th July 2008, 04:05 AM   #19
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Due to a financial hiccough last year, I had to interrupt my life of leisure by taking some contract work in the UK. One day, one of the other fellows in the office jokingly mentioned the moon hoax conspiracy. This prompted someone else to say something like “You’re no one of these people whole believe that 9/11 was down to the CIA, are you?” My ears pricked up. This was the first I’d heard it as much as mentioned “in the wild”. After that solitary remark, the discussion moved on. But I was intrigued so I asked them what they had heard. One fellow said that he had seen something which pointed out that the collapses of the towers “looked like a demolition”, and another said he’d heard they were designed to withstand the punishment they took.

I hasten to add that none of them had taken what they had heard particularly seriously. So when I explained the facts behind the claims they cheerfully accepted them. Notably, when I pointed out that the collapses initiated from the crash-sites, their response was “errr… oh yeah!” as if they were kicking themselves for not having noticed something so obvious. A third fellow – as pleasant and liberal a chap as one could hope to meet – said he’d heard that Israeli companies had been forewarned about the attacks by Mossad, etc. I didn’t have to heart to tell him he’d been taken in by a piece of ultra-right anti-Semitism, so I just explained what I knew about the “Odigo Warning”, assuming that’s what he was referring to. To my surprise, the same fellow displayed a fairly complete knowledge of collapse initiation and only needed my help at one stage: the inward pull on the columns. That puts him head and shoulders above most truthers.

I should perhaps also mention the following: Around the time Fahrenheit 9/11 came out, I had a rather heated email debate with a work colleague of a personal friend. I had forgotten all about it until recently, when I dug it out and scanned over it again. One of his emails was suffixed with this:

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Here’s some stuff Moore didn’t put in his film which he should have if he’d found the time:
  1. The Taliban offered to give Bin Laden up to Pakistan and an international trial, if the US would show them evidence he was responsible for 9/11. This was reported in The Economist, I think it was. As usual the States played their strong suit (military action) and didn’t bother with their weak one (diplomacy and international law).
  2. The plane which hit the Pentagon on 9/11 was brought down in a VERY sharp controlled descent, then pulled up to fly straight into the wall of the building. It actually took out the pylons across the street, that’show low it was when it levelled out. You CANNOT fly a plane like that with only civilian aircraft training, you HAVE to have had some military experience. Decide for yourself what this means.
  3. The planes which were hijacked were off their pre-designated commerical flight course for an hour and a half before any military planes were up to find out why. The progress of commercial flights is constantly monitored, and if they go off course and fail to respond to questions why, military aircraft are supposed to be scrambled IMMEDIATELY to find out why. A presidential order is needed to shoot a plane down, but not to scramble the aircraft. Military planes are supposed to be in the air in MINUTES. This level of ‘no plane’ action is not incompetance, there must have been a general stand down order from someone. Again, decide for yourself what this means.

I knew nothing of these conspiracy theories at that point, and so I didn’t fully understand what he was getting at. In any event, this exchange was still “over the internet”, and I had never met the guy and nor have I since.
So I suppose “the truth”, as Tweeter likes to inform us, really is “out there” – just not that much of it.
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Old 30th July 2008, 04:24 AM   #20
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Turn off internet..and 9-11 Truth disappears

Yes, but so does the porn. What a dilemma.


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Seems like a win-win situation. Bye, Parky! Have a nice life!

OK, that cracked me up. Nice one CE.
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I now more then ever believe that 9-11 truth and other silly ideas are 100% only alive in the world of the internet.
That's just so not true. I spent a week in New York City with my wife in late June/early July, and we once saw a twoofer in the Union Square subway station, down at the L train platform, trying to sell books, pamphlets, and DVDs. And he had a customer: he was excitedly explaining something to a guy who may not have been homeless but who at least had made an effort to look like it. Everyone else on the platform was a shill and kept their distance.

So there. The Truth lives on in the real world. It may not be as popular or as well-received as Jews for Jesus, subway mariachi bands or your run-of-the-mill panhandling, but for sufficiently vague definitions of 'alive', it's alive.
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I am betting the Twoofers have a major presence at Speaker's corner in Hyde Park on Sunday Afternoon, along with all the other nutcases.
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I snapped this guy in Leicester square (london) last summer.
He was handing out leaflets all on his own.

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Turn off internet..and 9-11 Truth disappears
Yes, it seems accurate to say that the "truth" movement is far more prevalent on the Internet than it is in real life.

I've been on vacation for the last week and a half and have taken the opportunity to visit the cottage for a couple of days here and there. I have no Internet service at the cottage, but plenty of fresh air, sandy beach, friends, neighbours, socializing and fun.

And nary a word, nor hide nor hair of anything even remotely connected to the "truth" movement. In real life, it appears to be non-existent in my home city and in the city where I work, as well.

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To be fair, 9/11 CTs come up with regularity at work. Myself and a few co-workers will mention CD or thermite for some quick lulz.

The 9/11 truth movement is an inside joke!
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Yeah emoitlab talking about how thousands getting killed is quite funny, isnt it? Even if the truth is wrong, how can anything that day be considered comical? Maybe add a few joos or nwo`s and you`ll have everyone falling down laughing. I find NOTHING about this whole subject funny.

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Yeah emoitlab talking about how thousands getting killed is quite funny, isnt it? Even if the truth is wrong, how can anything that day be considered comical? Maybe add a few joos or nwo`s and you`ll have everyone falling down laughing. I find NOTHING about this whole subject funny.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...67#post3899667





You really are the most entertaining troll we have here, but false sanctimony is beneath even you.
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Yeah emoitlab talking about how thousands getting killed is quite funny, isnt it? Even if the truth is wrong, how can anything that day be considered comical? Maybe add a few joos or nwo`s and you`ll have everyone falling down laughing. I find NOTHING about this whole subject funny.
You would never guess that from your smart mouth, content free, posting history?

That was the biggest hypocritical post I have seen.........ever
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I work in a very, very busy cardroom in a Tribal Casino near Dallas, Texas. I interact with hundreds of people a day and hear all sorts of connversations taking place.

I have yet to hear anyone discuss 9/11 as a conspiracy, in over 2/1/2 years.

I hear political discussions with all sides being well represented. Opinions on taxes, Hilary, Obama, Bill, W, occasionally Michael Moore (in not very nice terms, does no one like him?)

Sex parties, underground card games, just about everything under the sun comes up and gets talked about.

Never "The Truth".
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My only experience in the real world is:

1. My cousin got into it through Loose Change. I watched the film at his house, and then we spent the rest of the weekend in perpetual debate. That's actually what got me into 'debunking' 9/11 conspiracies, among other woo (I already spent time on religion and had for years). I'm happy to say that he seems to have let go of it, but it might be the fact that I show him no mercy when it comes up. Unfortunately, he still believes in several other forms of woo, and is still especially prone to conspiracy theories.

2. At a local convenience store, I noticed some pamphlets on the counter, advertising a big event in Dallas regarding Income Tax Conspiracies, in which Tom Cryer (noted tax-denier) was speaking. It also had 9/11 Truth conferences scheduled at the same event. I called the owner of the store, and she had no idea what they even were. She was equally offended, and threw them in the trash.

I really can't think of any other circumstance, other than running into David Ray Griffin books at Barnes & Noble.

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Welcome to the forum, Dr. House! BTW, I know of one semi-twoofer IRL, but he is a very good friend, so he knows not to discuss the topic around me.
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I now more then ever believe that 9-11 truth and other silly ideas are 100% only alive in the world of the internet. That is...the pseudo-world, the non-world, the world of teenagers in their basemants.

Are you suggesting that 400+ architects & engineers who support a new investigation are teenagers living in basements? Are the 200+ PhDs who support a new investigation are also teenagers living in basements?

Also, once you cut yourself off from the global data communications backbone, also known as the Internet, what other "silly ideas" ceased to exist in your mind? Comic book conventions? Malaysian food? Antarctica? Blatantly obvious logical fallacies?

Interestingly enough, when I stop coming to this forum, pathological skeptics cease to exist.
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Old 30th July 2008, 03:58 PM   #33
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Oh, and I almost forgot - according to that Scripps poll back in 2006, one-third of Americans suspect a 9/11 government conspiracy. Do they all live in basements as well?
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Old 30th July 2008, 03:59 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by deep44 View Post
Are you suggesting that 400+ architects & engineers who support a new investigation are teenagers living in basements? Are the 200+ PhDs who support a new investigation are also teenagers living in basements?

Also, once you cut yourself off from the global data communications backbone, also known as the Internet, what other "silly ideas" ceased to exist in your mind? Comic book conventions? Malaysian food? Antarctica? Blatantly obvious logical fallacies?

Interestingly enough, when I stop coming to this forum, pathological skeptics cease to exist.
Why don't you use this vast amount of knowledge to actually prove something? I'll answer for you, Because all "truthers" are full of [rule 10]. For the love of God wake up and realize your "movement" is a pathetic joke. Shut off your internet and your world disappears.

WAKE UP THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOU!
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
Shut off your internet and your world disappears.

Then, turn off your television and stop reading the newspaper -- all of a sudden the entire world "disappears". What exactly are you suggesting?
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Originally Posted by deep44 View Post
Then, turn off your television and stop reading the newspaper -- all of a sudden the entire world "disappears". What exactly are you suggesting?


I think (and DGM can correct me if I am wrong) that he is implying that you are a keyboard warrior. That your involvement in the so called "truth" movement consists of little more than debating on the internet, and maybe occasionally buying a DVD or two. He also seems to be saying that you are not alone in this, and that many if not most "truthers" rarely if ever do anything about their so called evidence save post on internet forums.
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Originally Posted by deep44 View Post
Are you suggesting that 400+ architects & engineers who support a new investigation are teenagers living in basements? Are the 200+ PhDs who support a new investigation are also teenagers living in basements?
It has been suggested (and proven, IIRC) that the numbers you cited above referring to AE911 have been greatly exaggerated and padded with fictitious members as well as members who have no background or education related to architecture or engineering. More than 6 years and they still can't legitamately find that 1000 they are after.
Considering that this guy runs the organization:



it does some damage to the credibility of their research methods.



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Also, once you cut yourself off from the global data communications backbone, also known as the Internet, what other "silly ideas" ceased to exist in your mind? Comic book conventions? Malaysian food? Antarctica? Blatantly obvious logical fallacies?

Interestingly enough, when I stop coming to this forum, pathological skeptics cease to exist.
Pathological sceptics?

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Originally Posted by OldTigerCub View Post
It has been suggested (and proven, IIRC) that the numbers you cited above referring to AE911 have been greatly exaggerated and padded with fictitious members as well as members who have no background or education related to architecture or engineering. More than 6 years and they still can't legitamately find that 1000 they are after.
More importantly, AE911Truth has failed to produce any credible arguments so far. Others within the "Truth Movement" have done so (Gregory Ulrich, for example) but apparently 400 architects and engineers isn't enough to save 9/11 truth.
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