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Penultimate Amazing
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Announcing: Wiki4CAM
The homeopaths are disappointed that their woo is not described according to their satisfaction in Wikipedia.
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The latest Skeptoid podcast is the ultimate in homeopathy.
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Manish Bhatia is the homeopath who complained recently that homeopathic revenues were down 50%. As I wrote back then, surely, due to homeopathic principles, seeing fewer patients should make their homeopathic practices stronger? |
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Wiki is rated one of the top 10 sites due to it's ever-changing stance on any topic. This in it's self shows that all it's available information tends to lean towards to the popular belief. Mind you there has to be some form of bias in the moderation of the site, but i doubt that's enough to blacklist CAM completely.
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Facts do tend to have an anti-woo bias. (Paraphrasing Stephen Colbert.)
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And here I was all this time thinking that wiki4cam was about quad cam internal combustion engines.
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Note to potential editors:
"The best way to decide whether a particular statement is accurate is to find independent, reliable sources to affirm that statement, such as books, magazine articles, television news stories, trade journals or web sites." So, if your favourite anchor man recommends it, it's good enough for Wiki4CAM. Why bother with all that science and testing and doctors and stuff when you can get independent, reliable medical advice from TV personalities, journalists and bloggers? But what types of people really do write and edit articles offering (alternative) health advice to the enquiring masses? "These people range from university professors to well-informed amateurs and hobbyists." That's right - amateurs and hobbyists! Seriously, I'm not making this up. Tired of origami or stamp collecting? Why not write a medical journal instead. No experience necessary. At least they had the good sense to add a disclaimer: "...the very nature of Wiki4CAM means it should not be trusted completely." I think they meant "completely should not be trusted". Short Wiki4CAM review |
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O RLY? |
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Dr Steve Novella (New England Skeptical Society) had a nice post about this on science based medicine today
sciencebasedmedicine .org/?p=187 |
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Linky for the lazy: http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=187
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Thanks, I'm not allowed to post a link yet!
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You're welcome. It's an interesting link.
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Everyone seems to be at it, check out flame detox:
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References: 1. Yu, Fong (2005) Flame Detoxification Therapy From Within to Without, 1st Edition; Translated by Bill Backerak, MD, Inner Tradition Publishers Ltd, (New York). Sorry I can't link to it because I'm a newbie. The faith healing one is also made up - by Bing Mcghandi. Its going to be like Conservapaedia, people aren't going to be able to tell the difference between parody and the 'real' thing. Hat tip Respectful Insolence |
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Hmm....I would prefer it if the information we added was correct, but simply warned people of the dangers of sCAM practices.
The point is that they can't really remove such information. It is one thing that they don't want their readers to see that there isn't scientific evidence that any of this crap works: That's just mind control and censorship, so common in WooLand. But if they remove e.g. the paragraphs that I put in, they are withholding information about the dangers of using sCAM. Public debate about the efficacy of sCAM may be divided, but if there is one thing that can unite people in a flash, it's if people's lives are in danger. That will turn public opinion in a flash. |
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So much is telling about these folks. From their homepage:
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Today, they've added Quantum mechanics.
Apparently, it's the basis for many CAM therapies.
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My work is stifled!!
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The Quantum mechanics page is improving: it's now citing What the Bleep... and The Secret and wittering on about twins and "spooky action at a distance".
Meanwhile, Codex Alimentarius is "a set of rules that want to limit people's freedom of being healthy." I'm keeping an eye out for the page on fluoridation. How are we supposed to know which bits are parody? |
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By the way, the Quackapedia page on "Alternative Medicine":
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appears to be dieing off.
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Reiki on Wiki4CAM
http://www.wiki4cam.org/wiki/Reiki
"It is best for the patient to be lying down and to wear loose clothing during the laying on of hands that makes up the Reiki process." lolReiki: http://lolquacks.blogspot.com/search/label/reiki |
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Actually you added "Urine" and "Criticism by mainstream medicine". I'm personally amazed they didn't use the world "allopathy".
ETA: Look at the talk page Scientific Method and their page on Myths about homeopathy. |
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-------- I could go on. This article is so full logical fallacies it's practically a comedy. Like most woo out there, the perceived credibility derives from a naive public. The article seems to suggest that homeopathy's success is based upon the subject's own personal perception of their symptoms, and that questioning those perceptions is a bad thing. When are people going to learn that personal perception is extremely fallible? There's a reason cold, hard, measurable data are demanded by scientists. |
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I emailed Manish Bhatia to ask him why he had removed the "Flame Detox" page. He replied:
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Someone called 'Camrus' is having fun over there ..
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All references to the risks/dangers of urine therapy have been removed.
This is how it looks today: ![]() These people are dangerous. |
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