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so who wants to talk bout wally miller anyways?

Jesus christ, worst interview ever. Not because of the content, but what the **** is that background noise and what's with the mic?
 
you watched a 46 minute interview in less than 7 minutes. fascinating.....

anyways the background noise is the air conditioner running in wally's office.

how'd you like the way he deconstructed the official story in the 1st 3 minutes?
i also have that account corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses [all of whom also recommended to be interviewed by jref members]. ouch.
 
TC329 said:
you watched a 46 minute interview in less than 7 minutes. fascinating.....

anyways the background noise is the air conditioner running in wally's office.

how'd you like the way he deconstructed the official story in the 1st 3 minutes?
i also have that account corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses [all of whom also recommended to be interviewed by jref members]. ouch.
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I didn't watch the entire thing.

Still trying to see the "deconstruction", since he is mentioning small parts and the plane never slowed down..

The interviewer mentions no human remains in indian lake that was reported by the media...yet I never heard of this before. The interviewer is trying to lead Wally as well, just making stuff up so Wally can appear to answer "incorrectly"

Besides, why are they asking a coroner about what happened to the plane? His job was to identify human remains.
 
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MarkyX said:
I didn't watch the entire thing.
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obvious and typical.

Still trying to see the "deconstruction", since he is mentioning small parts and the plane never slowed down..
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you missed the whole plane coming from the northeast, wings at a 90 degree angle hitting right wing tip first shattering the front 1/3 of the plane into the woods?

The interviewer mentions no human remains in indian lake that was reported by the media...yet I never heard of this before. The interviewer is trying to lead Wally as well, just making stuff up so Wally can appear to answer "incorrectly"
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of course you've never heard of this before you are neither a researcher or an investigator. in fact i think your claim to fame is adding a voice track over someone else's work if i'm not mistaken.....

PGH Post Gazette

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine..........
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Besides, why are they asking a coroner about what happened to the plane? His job was to identify human remains.
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it was his site.
 
So one site which wasn't even sure if it was human remains is all of a sudden "media reports" ?

Sorry, this is trying to lead the interview.
 
yawn.....

you are neither an investigator nor a researcher. i have not time to waste educating the ignorant. learn to use a search engine and more sources you will find.

you could actually call some indian lake residents too. ;-)
 
Welcome back Dom. Your 31 day suspension was just lifted this morning and THIS is the best you can bring us? Yawn.

BTW, maybe I've missed it but what, exactly, is your theory of what happened at Shanksville? I'm particularly interested in what happened to the passengers.

And, please, save us the whole "I don't know what did happen only what didn't happen" nonsense.
 
What is it with Truthers and their agonizingly long and stupid videos? Are you trying to bore us to The Truth? If you've got a point to make, or you think you've proven something, just state your damn case already instead of making people slog through another one of your ridiculous videos.

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you are neither an investigator nor a researcher.
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Funny that you would say something like this considering the fact that not a single professional investigator on the entire planet seems all that interested in whatever shocking story you've think you've uncovered here. I wonder why that is?
 
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What is it with Truthers and their agonizingly long and stupid videos?
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So when sane people get annoyed within minutes and turn it away they can respond "you aren't looking at the evidence, you're dismissing it out of hand."

Hmmm, I wish I could find an example of this somewhere, but where oh where would I look?


TC329 said:
you watched a 46 minute interview in less than 7 minutes. fascinating.....
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Well how about that? :)
 
Drudgewire said:
So when sane people get annoyed within minutes and turn it away they can respond "you aren't looking at the evidence, you're dismissing it out of hand."

Hmmm, I wish I could find an example of this somewhere, but where oh where would I look?
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Well, that and as a calling card for a career in the media when the 'truth' establishes a new world order........ oooops :cool:

Well how about that? :)
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We speed watch just like 'truthers' speed read official reports. :D
 
Both sides. STOP making threads personal. Deal with the topic, or posts / threads will be moved.
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TC329 said:
you watched a 46 minute interview in less than 7 minutes. fascinating.....

anyways the background noise is the air conditioner running in wally's office.

how'd you like the way he deconstructed the official story in the 1st 3 minutes?i also have that account corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses [all of whom also recommended to be interviewed by jref members]. ouch.
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First 48 secs is pissy music and titles and long shots, no deconstructing of anything

From 48 secs to 2.00 min mark he supports the official line and deconstructs nothing.

From 2.00 min mark to 3.00 min mark he denies the body parts in the lake that truthers claim were there and debunkers usually say were not there. This deconstructs some truther bot claims. He also during this segment gets the plane angle and bank wrong compared to the FDR data. This deconstructs nothing as he is clearly mistaken. This is not unusual as he is a coroner and knows nothing about aircraft flight geometry or flight envelopes. Also he is not a witness to the crash so would not know this. There are other witness who coroborate the FDR data.

Epic fail in the first 3.00 mins and a false claim again by OP

Is it worth me watching the rest if it is as bad as the firt 3.00 mins?
 
I had to immediately stop the video when I saw the first title.
Then I saw this
of course you've never heard of this before you are neither a researcher or an investigator. in fact i think your claim to fame is adding a voice track over someone else's work if i'm not mistaken.....
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May no longer display the CIT badge but still has the same stink.
I see you are working on your next ban there Dom congrats.
 
Holy stuff batman

He then ridicules truthers and destroys the no bodies claims in the next 4 mins. No deconstructing of the official story at all.

Is this a truther video or a debunking video?
 
TC329 has apparently abandoned his previous claims of drones swooping under power lines and is now claiming that Flight 93 actually got shot down because the passengers were revolting (yes, many questions about this scenario). Flight 93 was headed to the Capital building to kill everyone in Congress which would have allowed Bush to declare martial law.

Yes, he really does have such a stupid theory in mind, don't you TC329?
 
funk de fino said:
Holy stuff batman

He then ridicules truthers and destroys the no bodies claims in the next 4 mins. No deconstructing of the official story at all.

Is this a truther video or a debunking video?
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Proof 9/11 truth members are the worse investigators since Inspector Clouseau.

Why are they self-debunking?
 
WildCat said:
TC329 has apparently abandoned his previous claims of drones swooping under power lines and is now claiming that Flight 93 actually got shot down because the passengers were revolting (yes, many questions about this scenario). Flight 93 was headed to the Capital building to kill everyone in Congress which would have allowed Bush to declare martial law.

Yes, he really does have such a stupid theory in mind, don't you TC329?
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f4onwingAR.jpg

Here are some F-4 on my wing. I am in a KC-135 (707 like), and they are close enough to see my eyes. Why would someone shoot down 93 without confirming by eye, the terrorist are in control? Some truth idiots forget the FAA is in control of the skies, and an intercept can't just buzz thought other planes and kill others as they close on the target.

Shooting down an airliner is not something done without confirmation, and these F-4 are loose right now, you should see close! So the fact is there is no FAA confirmation of any intercept over PA, so TC lost again.
 
I'm surprised the lower one could fly with that smaller one stuck on top of it. My photo analysis expertise tells me that photo is fake!!!!111eleventy111!
 
That's true. Even Clouseau would eventually get to the correct conclusion.

It was usually accidental, but he got there. Truthers get beat in the face with the correct conclusion and still can't get there.
 
funk de fino said:
He also during this segment gets the plane angle and bank wrong compared to the FDR data. This deconstructs nothing as he is clearly mistaken. This is not unusual as he is a coroner and knows nothing about aircraft flight geometry or flight envelopes. Also he is not a witness to the crash so would not know this. There are other witness who coroborate the FDR data.
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1) blast trajectory is towards the southwest, miller says plane as reported by eyewitnesses and fbi to him come out of the northeast. this contradicts the official story and fdr data. it is consistent with the physical evidence which is inconsistent with the government supplied data.

2) he says the planes wings were at a 90 degree angle. i have this claim corroborated by bob blair and doug miller. obviously their accounts contradict the official story but support the conclusions based on physical evidence and supported with eyewitness accounts.

3) lee purbaugh [the only man who saw the plane impact the ground] also states the plane was not flying inverted.

4) an intercept from northeast of the crash site explains how debris ended up floating in indian lake and further southeast in new baltimore while the blast trajectory shoots all the debris in an opposite direction. in fact at one point wally insists that indian lake is in the direction of the blast trajectory.

5) people who heard flight 93 approach from near indian lake marina / golf course [slightly north of each] towards the crash site include john fleegle, jim brandt, carol delasko, tom spinelli, chris smith, & barry lichty.

6) please provide a list of names of eyewitnesses who support your fake bush administration supplied fdr data and appropriate documentation of their accounts.

Epic fail in the first 3.00 mins and a false claim again by OP

Is it worth me watching the rest if it is as bad as the firt 3.00 mins?
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no, no need to watch this. its full of everything you duh-bunkers once demanded.

duh-bunker#1 "go interview wally miller, tc"
duh-bunker#2 "go talk to wally miller, tc"

me "here's an interview with wally miller"

all other duh-bunkers "yeah but what does wally miller know anyways? we know more we use the interwebs." :boggled:

so laughable and predictable. just like the countless off topic replies so far. and then you guys think that because neither me nor wally miller are no planers that this somehow proves the government is telling the truth. lol....

talking to wally, i have a feeling wally miller doesn't believe muslims intentionally crashed that plane into an empty field because they got skeered............ ;)
 
WildCat said:
TC329 has apparently abandoned his previous claims of drones swooping under power lines and is now claiming that Flight 93 actually got shot down because the passengers were revolting (yes, many questions about this scenario). Flight 93 was headed to the Capital building to kill everyone in Congress which would have allowed Bush to declare martial law.
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i have not "abandoned" anything in regards to the little white plane which is not a falcon 20 that was witnessed by susan mcelwain, rick chaney, lee purbaugh, susan custer, robin doppstadt, and others.

Yes, he really does have such a stupid theory in mind, don't you TC329?
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stupid?

stupid is believing fire knocked a 47 story steel skyscraper to the ground into its own footprints at a freefall speed. thats whats stupid.

believing muslim terrorists get skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because they need to abandon the plan because they're skeered is stupid.

in fact wildcat just about everything i've ever seen you post can be labeled as "stupid".
 
reading your posts TC I have a feeling that your perception of reality is seriously askew.

BTW - What does Wally think caused the wtc towers to collapse? You must have asked him that, since you also appear to have discussed with him every other damn thing that had nothing to do with collecting and identifying the body parts at shanksville.
 
uk_dave said:
reading your posts TC I have a feeling that your perception of reality is seriously askew.

BTW - What does Wally think caused the wtc towers to collapse? You must have asked him that, since you also appear to have discussed with him every other damn thing that had nothing to do with collecting and identifying the body parts at shanksville.
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really?

perhaps instead of spending time flinging grade school level insults you actually watch the interview and find ......

1) where the remains were recovered.
2) whether they were properly documented or not.
3) how they were collected.
4) who collected them.
5) what became of the unidentifiable remains.
6) if any attempt to ever contact hijackers family members in order to obtain dna samples ever took place.

and many other things......

but that would require listening. and you're too busy flinging around 4th grade level insults and high-fiving your buddies throwing around insults. yeah typical jref fratboy behavior........
 
TC329 said:
i have not "abandoned" anything in regards to the little white plane which is not a falcon 20 that was witnessed by susan mcelwain, rick chaney, lee purbaugh, susan custer, robin doppstadt, and others.
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Oh, good, I can't wait to hear what its role in this was!

stupid?

stupid is believing fire knocked a 47 story steel skyscraper to the ground into its own footprints at a freefall speed. thats whats stupid.
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Sure is, because no one claims any such thing happened.

believing muslim terrorists get skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because they need to abandon the plan because they're skeered is stupid.
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But it is your belief that Bush got "skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because [he] need to abandon the plan because [he's] skeered", correct?

How would a passenger uprising make Bush need to have the plane shot down?

If your theory is the planes were remote-controlled why would a passenger uprising matter?

If it was actually piloted by suicide terrorists loyal to Bush then why the need to shoot it down?

So many gaping holes in this theory of yours TC329... do you plan on filling them in any time soon?
 
TC329 said:
stupid is believing fire knocked a 47 story steel skyscraper collapsed to the ground into its own footprints at a freefall speed. thats whats stupid.
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There, I fixed it for you.
believing muslim terrorists get skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because they need to abandon the plan because they're skeered is stupid.
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I guess that little passenger revolt didn't matter, huh?
in fact wildcat just about everything i've ever seen you posted can be labeled as "stupid".
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More fixing to make it factual.
 
TC329 said:
1) blast trajectory is towards the southwest, miller says plane as reported by eyewitnesses and fbi to him come out of the northeast. this contradicts the official story and fdr data. it is consistent with the physical evidence which is inconsistent with the government supplied data.
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It does not matter what the FBI told him. The FDR data trumps all. So do the eye witness records. When did the FBI inform him of the trajectory?

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2) he says the planes wings were at a 90 degree angle. i have this claim corroborated by bob blair and doug miller. obviously their accounts contradict the official story but support the conclusions based on physical evidence and supported with eyewitness accounts.
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At some point they may have been at a 90 deg angle but not when it hit the ground

3) lee purbaugh [the only man who saw the plane impact the ground] also states the plane was not flying inverted.
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Does he say the plane was on fire and had pieces falling off it because it had been shot down by a fighter jet? It would be very noticeable. I can tell you all about the missiles that you think may have been used to shoot it down. Do you know anything about military aircraft interceptions? Or their weapons systems and armaments? nothing to do with Wally Miller

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4) an intercept from northeast of the crash site explains how debris ended up floating in indian lake and further southeast in new baltimore while the blast trajectory shoots all the debris in an opposite direction. in fact at one point wally insists that indian lake is in the direction of the blast trajectory.
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Very small pieces drifting on the wind,

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5) people who heard flight 93 approach from near indian lake marina / golf course [slightly north of each] towards the crash site include john fleegle, jim brandt, carol delasko, tom spinelli, chris smith, & barry lichty.
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How often do you hear something yet not really know where the sound is coming from? nothing to do with Wally Miller

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6) please provide a list of names of eyewitnesses who support your fake bush administration supplied fdr data and appropriate documentation of their accounts.
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no


tc said:
no, no need to watch this. its full of everything you duh-bunkers once demanded.

duh-bunker#1 "go interview wally miller, tc"
duh-bunker#2 "go talk to wally miller, tc"

me "here's an interview with wally miller"

all other duh-bunkers "yeah but what does wally miller know anyways? we know more we use the interwebs." :boggled:

so laughable and predictable. just like the countless off topic replies so far. and then you guys think that because neither me nor wally miller are no planers that this somehow proves the government is telling the truth. lol....

talking to wally, i have a feeling wally miller doesn't believe muslims intentionally crashed that plane into an empty field because they got skeered............ ;)
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I never said i would not watch it but if the rest is as supportive of the official story as the first 7 minutes then I may watch the rest.

Are you putting words and accusations into Wallys mouth? Someone may contact him and ask him what hethinks of your projections and how you have used his claims.
 
TC329 said:
really?

perhaps instead of spending time flinging grade school level insults you actually watch the interview and find ......

1) where the remains were recovered.
2) whether they were properly documented or not.
3) how they were collected.
4) who collected them.
5) what became of the unidentifiable remains.
6) if any attempt to ever contact hijackers family members in order to obtain dna samples ever took place.

and many other things......

but that would require listening. and you're too busy flinging around 4th grade level insults and high-fiving your buddies throwing around insults. yeah typical jref fratboy behavior........
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Your lack of evidence and misinterpretation of witness statements proves your ideas are false. You post a video proving you are wrong. Take your under the wire flying drone fantasy and try again.

The FDR proves you wrong!

You lie and say the FDR is fake; without any supporting evidence but your own lie.
 
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but that would require listening. and you're too busy flinging around 4th grade level insults and high-fiving your buddies throwing around insults. yeah typical jref fratboy behavior........
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You are the one flinging insults around TC. I think you are looking to get suspended again on purpose before you are torn apart agan in this thread.

I guarantee if you played the first 7 mins of this to a loose change moron or a CIT or pfffft clown, and did not tell them who had made it, they would say it was a debunker video.

100%
 
Dom:
I didn't catch the part where Wally explained how the USG could pull the wool over his eyes. Did he discuss this?

Thanks in advance.
 
TC329 said:
stupid is believing fire knocked a 47 story steel skyscraper to the ground into its own footprints at a freefall speed. thats whats stupid.

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And you believe that it fell

1- into its own footprint

2- at freefall speed

Now what does this say about you, using your own qualifier?
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TC329 said:
believing muslim terrorists get skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because they need to abandon the plan because they're skeered is stupid.
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Not a bit of it. They realized that their mission was about to fail. Had the passengers regained control of the cockpit, lives would have been saved. Allowing a victory on the passengers' side was not an option. They had to take the action where the action became neccessary.
 
funk de fino said:
Holy stuff batman

He then ridicules truthers and destroys the no bodies claims in the next 4 mins. No deconstructing of the official story at all.

Is this a truther video or a debunking video?
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correct.

an infuriated wally miller ridicules the no plane/bodies theory.

does he treat the shoot down theory the same or does he just change subject anytime that comes up and says he doesn't know what brought the plane down and in the beginning states clear as day the plane came down "allegedly" due to a struggle on board?

this a test to root out who the honest members of this forum are..........
 
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