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Old 13th September 2008, 12:18 PM   #1
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Tycho Brahe killed in Plot by Kepler

In 1601, Kepler was very jealous of Tycho Brahe's planetary data. He coveted the data. He poisoned Brahe with mercury. Brahe almost died, then started to recover. But then Kepler poisoned him again and killed him.

Recent mercury tests done on the hair of Brahe have proven that he was killed by mercury poisoning.

Kepler was sort of a lone nut as well, but he was able to use the data to discover the three laws of planetary motion.
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Old 13th September 2008, 01:13 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
In 1601, Kepler was very jealous of Tycho Brahe's planetary data. He coveted the data. He poisoned Brahe with mercury. Brahe almost died, then started to recover. But then Kepler poisoned him again and killed him.

Recent mercury tests done on the hair of Brahe have proven that he was killed by mercury poisoning.

Kepler was sort of a lone nut as well, but he was able to use the data to discover the three laws of planetary motion.
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Old 13th September 2008, 11:53 PM   #3
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Life's just one big Hitchcock movie to you, isn't it?
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Old 14th September 2008, 04:16 AM   #4
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What about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tychonic_system
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Old 14th September 2008, 01:37 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by MG1962 View Post
Galileo wasn't too impressed by the Tycho system, because it was dynamically untenable.

Galileo also ignored Tycho. In 1600, Tycho wrote letters to Galileo which Galileo ignored. Galileo never wrote him back.

This was amazing because in 1600, Tycho was far more famous than Galileo.
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Old 14th September 2008, 01:39 PM   #6
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OK, we get it. Every historical figure in the history of the planet was murdered as the result of some sort of conspiracy. Enough.
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Old 14th September 2008, 01:41 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
Life's just one big Hitchcock movie to you, isn't it?
I'd like to see an Alfred Hitchcock or Oliver Stone movie about the trail of Galileo.

btw - I've decided that Kepler was innocent, and that Tycho was murdered by someone else.

I'm not from the pro-Kepler faction, like A. Koestler, by I no longer think that Kepler offed Tycho.
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Old 14th September 2008, 02:00 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
Galileo wasn't too impressed by the Tycho system, because it was dynamically untenable.

Galileo also ignored Tycho. In 1600, Tycho wrote letters to Galileo which Galileo ignored. Galileo never wrote him back.

This was amazing because in 1600, Tycho was far more famous than Galileo.
You are missing the point - Tycho applied the data he had collected to evolve his theory. Kepler never made any secret of where the data he used came from. In fact often when you see a statue of either of them, you find the other close by

Tycho and Kepler where the proto-type of much astronomy being done today. Tycho was an exceptional observer, Kepler and exception theorist
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Old 14th September 2008, 02:42 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by MG1962 View Post
You are missing the point - Tycho applied the data he had collected to evolve his theory. Kepler never made any secret of where the data he used came from. In fact often when you see a statue of either of them, you find the other close by

Tycho and Kepler where the proto-type of much astronomy being done today. Tycho was an exceptional observer, Kepler and exception theorist
I agree with that.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
In 1601, Kepler was very jealous of Tycho Brahe's planetary data. He coveted the data. He poisoned Brahe with mercury. Brahe almost died, then started to recover. But then Kepler poisoned him again and killed him.

Recent mercury tests done on the hair of Brahe have proven that he was killed by mercury poisoning.

Kepler was sort of a lone nut as well, but he was able to use the data to discover the three laws of planetary motion.
Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
I'd like to see an Alfred Hitchcock or Oliver Stone movie about the trail of Galileo.

btw - I've decided that Kepler was innocent, and that Tycho was murdered by someone else.

I'm not from the pro-Kepler faction, like A. Koestler, by I no longer think that Kepler offed Tycho.
The OP was posted 9/13 at 3:18 pm my time. The second quoted post was published 9/14 at 4:41 my time, a little more than 25 hours later. What amazing piece of research did you do in that time that changed your mind?

And why didn't you complete that research first, before jumping to post, accusing someone of murder?
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Old 16th September 2008, 09:13 AM   #12
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Assuming the mercury thing is true, this little 'Kepler did it' theory ignores details like murder being completely being out of character for Kepler (of course, in the CT world nebbish unassuming and pacifistic people can easily murder thousands of people in the most gruesome manner without batting an eyelash.)

It also ignores that Brahe was very, very ,very , very unpopular. He was more infamous than more famous than Galileo.

It also ignores that Mercury was used as a treatment for syphillis, despite the known dangers. It was a choice of one devil over the other.
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I think most of the times Tycho is killed, Gabe is usually somehow responsible.
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Old 16th September 2008, 10:08 AM   #14
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Humpty Dumpty was pushed!
He was pulled off the wall I tell ya.. A conspiracy theory is born!
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Old 16th September 2008, 12:36 PM   #15
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Kepler is still alive and living in Argentina under the name Hans Bierstein. He is 700 years old.
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Old 16th September 2008, 12:44 PM   #16
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He was pulled off the wall I tell ya.. A conspiracy theory is born!
At nearly free fall speeds?
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Originally Posted by Piscivore View Post
I think most of the times Tycho is killed, Gabe is usually somehow responsible.
Well, Tycho had to be killed. Or else, he may open one of his 7 mouths and start signing the song which will end the world.
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Old 16th September 2008, 01:18 PM   #18
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I'll have to cut you off here. Was Tycho murdered? Who nose?

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Old 18th September 2008, 07:08 AM   #19
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It also ignores that Mercury was used as a treatment for syphillis, despite the known dangers. It was a choice of one devil over the other.
I'm not familiar with the dangers of wearing a gold alloy prosthetic nose for years on end, but wouldn't contemporary gold alloys have included mercury?
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The Writers of Humpty Dumpty Were Trying to Warn Us

I was hesitant to post a derail here, but then I realized, "Whoot! It's a Galileo Conspiracy Thread! What could possibly be off-topic?"

So.... ".... had a great fall..."???
They were warning 1970s generations of Yankee Haters of the coming of Reggie Jackson. Who else, but Mr. October could they have been referring to? Surely you don't thing it was The Egg Man? Oh, wait.... they knew Paul Was Dead before he was born. Lennon killed him.

Cuckoo-ka-joo....
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Humpty Dumpty was pushed!
The real giveaway is that they let the King's horses try to put him together again. Horses? Sticking eggs together is delicate work, and they give it to the horses!?! Clearly they wanted him dead.
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The real giveaway is that they let the King's horses try to put him together again. Horses? Sticking eggs together is delicate work, and they give it to the horses!?! Clearly they wanted him dead.
I want to know why the king took such an interest in the murder suicide in the first place
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I want to know why the king took such an interest in the murder suicide in the first place
It's a conspiracy!!!!
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I'd like to see an Alfred Hitchcock or Oliver Stone movie about the trail of Galileo.
No chance I am afraid. Coppola had Hitchcock poisoned.
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Maybe we should start a thread: "Science's biggest ********". I am pretty sure that Tartaglia, Galois, and whole team that discovered insulin--Banting, Best, Collip, and MacLeod--would rate highly. Kepler wouldn't even be in the Top 100.
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I severely doubt that Kepler pulled a Salieri on Brahe (or even that Salieri killed Mozart in the Cask of Amontillado fasion in Amadeus). However, a few years ago when I was studying Brahe so I could play him at the Miami Museum of Science where Jack Horkheimer was hosting National Astronomy Day I came across what may be an interesting connection regarding Brahe and literature. (Sorry I lost the only photo of me in costume with the fake beard.)

While reading On Tycho's Island by John Robert Christiansen I found a copy of an engraving of Brahe by Jacques de Gheyn. I was already fascinated by engravings and woodcuts because my last acting job before Brahe was as Dürer. One of Gheyn's works can be viewed at the following webpage where the possible literary connection is discussed you can type in at home.att.net/~numericana/arms/brahe.htm (the Forum won't let me post urls until I've been here a while).

Shakespeare was a contemporary of Brahe. According to Isaac Asimov (whom I'm sorry I never met, but whom I affectionately refer to as "Doctor Muttonchops") Shakespeare likely got the idea of writing Hamlet from Saxo Grammaticus. An odd fact about Hamlet is that most of the characters (besides Hamlet, whose name may be an anagram of Amleth) have Latin or Italian names. The webpage I have provided shows the blazons of Brahe (who was royalty) and includes the names "Rosenkrans" and "Gvldensteren". It seems likely that Shakespeare found these names by looking at one of the pieces by Gheyn so he could have characters with Danish names.

Ennyway, that's my 2¢ on the topic.
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(besides Hamlet, whose name may be an anagram of Amleth)
Puts me in mind of a trick some journalist pulled, years and years ago, on a number of the agony aunts who wrote for various womens magazines in the UK.

Basically he wrote the same letter to them all, containing the basic plot of Hamlet (mum shacked up with uncle, positive that uncle had murdered father etc) written in the style of a hysterical teenage girl. Signed it Thelma Dane.

IIRC only Clare Raynor saw through it; the rest wrote standard AA letters in reply. Always had a certain amount of respect for Clare.
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