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28th September 2008, 10:40 AM	#1
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17,045	Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum - America's "Bigfoot Professor" Bigfoot Believer Guy Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, Ph.D. - Idaho State University, Associate Professor of Anatomy & Anthropology, Adjunct Associate Professor, Dept. of Anthropology, Dept. of Occupational and Physical Therapy, Affiliate Curator, Idaho Museum of Natural History. Internal communication at ISU... Quote: I am sure that most of you are aware of the recent AP (Associated Press) story in which D. Doug Wells and myself are quoted concerning "Bigfoot." The story contains some inaccuracies. There is no movement afoot here to sanction Dr. Meldrum for his interest in "Bigfoot" (at least that I am aware of) and if there were I would be against it. That is what tenure is for. I am merely exercising my right as an academic and a scientist to question the evidence, which is less than great. Debate is part of peer review and is what academics do. As you can imagine I got deluged by email and phone calls as a result of this story. Bigfoot aficionados are a sensitive lot. I am fully expecting to show up on /Countdown /as today's worst person in the world any day now. If you are interested in the scientific basis for Bigfoot I encourage you to check out the publisher of Dr. Meldrum's book /Sasquatch - Legend Meets Science/ (http://www.tor.com/). I would also encourage you to have a look at the /Journal of Scientific Exploration/, volume 18, for what passes for peer review in this area. Enjoy your break. Martin (Hackworth) Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, Ph.D., Biography/Resume at ISU
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28th September 2008, 11:05 AM	#2
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17,045	Skepchick interviews Jeff Meldrum Part 1. Part 2. Quote: Jeff Meldrum: Science is by nature conservative. The recent rise of the skeptical movement has made it fashionable to be ultra-conservative, even to the point of cynicism. Therefore, something that has been labeled as fringe, as pseudoscience is deemed unworthy of consideration. One prominent skeptic has pronounced that the “science” begins only after a body is had. Well, if science sat around on its collective hands until the proverbial “bodies” in question turned up, there would have been much less discovery made in our history. I sense a shift in attitude on the part of some of my colleagues, near and far. We have learned a great deal about the evolutionary and natural history of the great apes. We have learned a great deal about the evolution of hominin bipedalism. There continue to be startling discoveries of new species, to the extent that the editor of Scientific American suggested perhaps it was time for cryptozoology to come in out of the cold. And we have a generation of scientists that have grown up more familiar with the possibility of sasquatch. Sometime it takes the passing of a generation before a novel proposition can sprout to serious consideration.
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28th September 2008, 09:44 PM	#3
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,578	Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick Science is by nature conservative. The recent rise of the skeptical movement has made it fashionable to be ultra-conservative, even to the point of cynicism. Therefore, something that has been labeled as fringe, as pseudoscience is deemed unworthy of consideration. Been through his book and could not find a single piece of reliable evidence to back his thesis. Decades-old anecdotal data, quite oftens suspected of being hoaxed recycled and packed with lots of usually baseless speculations. Is that all he can provide? This is pseudoscience and no ammount of whining against skepticism will change it. Basically what he is asking is to lower the level of evidence quality. No way. He should collect better data or accept that there's not a single shred of reliable evidence supporting his claim - its a belief, nothing more, nothing less. Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick One prominent skeptic has pronounced that the “science” begins only after a body is had. Well, if science sat around on its collective hands until the proverbial “bodies” in question turned up, there would have been much less discovery made in our history. Appeal to emotion; the old "Columbus and Galileo" blahblahblah we are tired of hearing from woos... Is that all he can provide? Its not skeptical's fault that the evidence is so poor. If bigfootery had a single piece of reliable evidence -and we all know it does not take a body- the situation would be diferent. Got at least one piece of evidence able to pass through a basic QA/QC? Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick I sense a shift in attitude on the part of some of my colleagues, near and far. We have learned a great deal about the evolutionary and natural history of the great apes. We have learned a great deal about the evolution of hominin bipedalism. What this has to do with the actual subject? So far none of the above brought bigfoot closer to being a reality instead of a distant possibility. Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick There continue to be startling discoveries of new species, to the extent that the editor of Scientific American suggested perhaps it was time for cryptozoology to come in out of the cold. And we have a generation of scientists that have grown up more familiar with the possibility of sasquatch. A statement that perhaps he was not aware that would be used by some to bring validity to their cause in the absence of good datsets. Note that time passed and cryptozoology is still in the cold. And the responsability lies on the very shoulders of the cryptozoologists. Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick Sometime it takes the passing of a generation before a novel proposition can sprout to serious consideration. Not without reliable evidence - unless we are talking about beliefs. Since we are not, got at least a really good dataset to back your thesis?
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28th September 2008, 10:03 PM	#4
captain koolaid Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 509	Originally Posted by Correa Neto Been through his book and could not find a single piece of reliable evidence to back his thesis. Decades-old anecdotal data, quite oftens suspected of being hoaxed recycled and packed with lots of usually baseless speculations. Is that all he can provide? This is pseudoscience and no ammount of whining against skepticism will change it. Basically what he is asking is to lower the level of evidence quality. No way. He should collect better data or accept that there's not a single shred of reliable evidence supporting his claim - its a belief, nothing more, nothing less. Appeal to emotion; the old "Columbus and Galileo" blahblahblah we are tired of hearing from woos... Is that all he can provide? Its not skeptical's fault that the evidence is so poor. If bigfootery had a single piece of reliable evidence -and we all know it does not take a body- the situation would be diferent. Got at least one piece of evidence able to pass through a basic QA/QC? What this has to do with the actual subject? So far none of the above brought bigfoot closer to being a reality instead of a distant possibility. A statement that perhaps he was not aware that would be used by some to bring validity to their cause in the absence of good datsets. Note that time passed and cryptozoology is still in the cold. And the responsability lies on the very shoulders of the cryptozoologists. Not without reliable evidence - unless we are talking about beliefs. Since we are not, got at least a really good dataset to back your thesis? "...that is an old skeptic game, to ask for evidence." (N.Burghstahler- confidant of Prof. S.Hawking)
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17th November 2008, 07:33 AM	#5
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,798	Regarding the question 'Should there be more scientists involved in Bigfoot Research. TY at the Bigfoot Discussion forum, had this to say, I thought it was meaningful. Originally Posted by Ty A few nights ago I heard on an internet radio show Dr. Meldrum describe the Memorial Day footage figure as an "obvious female(Sasquatch)" with "gyrating breasts" and a "baby peering over it's head" as it approached the woods. He says these features were pointed out to him by Rick Noll at Noll's home on a large flat screen TV. He also said on the same show that MQ raises the bar of how evidence comes to light. Not to mention him(Meldrum) being pictured in front of an elk lay pointing out Bigfoot body parts. A few weeks a go I heard Dr. Bindernagel on an internet radio show say the "Jacob's creature" was most likely a young Sasquatch passing through. *A few nights ago on MQ's SA 2; Out of 3 scientists Curt Nelson (former BFRO member) was the only one who claimed to have found primate DNA in the screwboard material. That turned out to be a bust. I'm sure we're all aware of Dr. Fahrenbach's recent commentary. Sorry, but if these are the type of scientists this phenomena can only attract, then no, there is not a need for more in my opinion. http://bigfootdiscussions.invisionzo...post&p=1400440
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17th November 2008, 09:13 AM	#6
desertgal Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,192	Originally Posted by captain koolaid "...that is an old skeptic game, to ask for evidence." (N.Burghstahler- confidant of Prof. S.Hawking) I love that quote. I think I'll tell John Nash about it the next time we do lunch.
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18th November 2008, 12:00 PM	#7
Chains New Blood Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6	Originally Posted by Drewbot Regarding the question 'Should there be more scientists involved in Bigfoot Research. TY at the Bigfoot Discussion forum, had this to say, I thought it was meaningful. That guy is an idiot. Read his posts, all he does is complain and take potshots at Bigfoot researchers.
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18th November 2008, 03:16 PM	#8
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sapporo ichiban! Posts: 9,238	Originally Posted by Chains That guy is an idiot. Read his posts, all he does is complain and take potshots at Bigfoot researchers. I thought he raised a legitimate point from what I see quoted. Is there something with that point you disagree with?
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18th November 2008, 04:38 PM	#9
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Inland NW Posts: 4,767	Originally Posted by Chains That guy is an idiot. Read his posts, all he does is complain and take potshots at Bigfoot researchers. His post about the human-bigfoot hybrid research was quite humorous, and right on target.
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18th November 2008, 11:16 PM	#10
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24th November 2008, 12:55 PM	#11
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,528	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 What research are these researchers doing? They have this 3 year kentucky Project that Meldrum and Bindernagle have been consulted on.

4th March 2009, 05:18 PM	#12
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,004	I'm often in need of a good laugh, so I've been watching the new episodes of Monster Quest (Hitch's current avatar shows how a bird's beak can appear to be a horselike snout, a fact missing from the Jersey Devil episode) and stuff from the "Paranormal TV" section my cable service's "On Demand" menu. Going there led to a a snippet from an episode of short-lived 2002 "In Search of" revival discussing Bigfoot. Not only do they show the Freeman video and some interview footage of Freeman without a hint of skepticism, but Dr. Meldrum offered some insight on why he feels the Freeman video is worthy of note: The forearms are disproportionally long and the head doesn't seem humanlike. Considering that Patty supporters are often quick to bring up that Patty's "long arms" can't be due to extensions due to the forearms not being disproportionate* like they would be with a simple extension device, I'm amazed Dr. Meldrum could make such an argument regarding the Freeman film. As for the head issue: Masks can easily make a person's head seem "less human." Or if he's referring to its placement on the body, I once did a post explaining how it could be done. *They forget that many people with arms as long as Patty's are known to exist. Also, slumping the shoulders forward and the position of the arm during a swing can also create the illusion of long arms.
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4th March 2009, 09:09 PM	#14
Kilaak Kommander Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 342	Originally Posted by AtomicMysteryMonster I'm often in need of a good laugh, so I've been watching the new episodes of Monster Quest MQ never fails to not deliver, and that's what makes it so great. One of the highlights of this season was Meldrum examining footprint casts and essentially saying, "there's nothing here". When Meldrum takes a dump on your casts, you're in trouble. The "new species are found all the time" argument is misleading, methinks. There's not a concerted effort to find something specific. It's more along the lines of walking through a remote patch of jungle and brushing a half dozen new species off your shirt. Then scraping some more off the bottom of your shoe. Usually the only reason these species haven't been found before is because no one was looking for them. Compare that to a 40 year search for an ape-sized creature using increasingly advanced technology. Or repeatedly combing over every square inch of a Scottish lake.

5th March 2009, 06:51 AM	#15
clayflingythingy Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 424	Post #5 So, Rick Noll had to point out to Meldrum the BF "features" of the MD footage. Interesting. Didn't Noll also persuade Meldrum that the skookum elk lay was a BF impression? Is Meldrum incredibly stupid or is Noll an incredibly gifted con man?

5th March 2009, 07:12 AM	#16
desertyeti Muse Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 835	Originally Posted by clayflingythingy So, Rick Noll had to point out to Meldrum the BF "features" of the MD footage. Interesting. Didn't Noll also persuade Meldrum that the skookum elk lay was a BF impression? Meldrum is incredibly ~~stupid~~ gullible and Noll is a somewhat gifted con man.
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As for the head issue: Masks can easily make a person's head seem "less human." Or if he's referring to its placement on the body, I once did a post explaining how it could be done.

Come on, everyone knows you can't fake the head placement on a body...

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5th March 2009, 01:11 PM	#18
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,325	Can any of you even try to debunk the gaussian curve based of footprints?
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5th March 2009, 01:13 PM	#19
Hitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 834	Originally Posted by makaya325 Can any of you even try to debunk the gaussian curve based of footprints? No. Because there's no way to debunk a meaningless statement.
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5th March 2009, 01:21 PM	#20
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 18,589	Quote: Can any of you even try to debunk the gaussian curve based of footprints? I debunk it thusly: GIGO
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5th March 2009, 02:56 PM	#21
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,004	Originally Posted by Kilaak Kommander MQ never fails to not deliver, and that's what makes it so great. One of the highlights of this season was Meldrum examining footprint casts and essentially saying, "there's nothing here". When Meldrum takes a dump on your casts, you're in trouble. Yeah, that was a riot! Quote: The "new species are found all the time" argument is misleading, methinks. There's not a concerted effort to find something specific. It's more along the lines of walking through a remote patch of jungle and brushing a half dozen new species off your shirt. Then scraping some more off the bottom of your shoe. Agreed. And let's not forget "having genetic testing reveal that an animal is genetically different enough to be a considered a separate species." Quote: Or repeatedly combing over every square inch of a Scottish lake. Oh man, now I'm thinking of episode featuring Robert Rines' belief that the Loch Ness Monster is dead since he isn't getting any more mysterious sonar readings. Gosh, it couldn't be that those readings were due to errors caused by less advanced equipment, seals, a side effect of seiches, etc. One of these days, I really should do a thread devoted to "Monster Quest" in general. By the way, did you ever get to check out the records for the PGF at the Library of Congress? Originally Posted by clayflingythingy So, Rick Noll had to point out to Meldrum the BF "features" of the MD footage. Interesting. I suspect that Dr. Meldrum would argue that no hoaxer would think of putting breasts on a costume or or having a fake bay sasquatch, so therefore the footage is most likely real. Now even though I don't think the MD footage really shows those two things, I do know that hoaxers can (and have) done that in the past. Ray Wallace and Ivan Marx both produced hoax photographs of female Sasquatches. In fact, one of Marx's pictures had a mother carrying a baby Bigfoot as well. Although they're not hoaxes, several of butchykid624's humorous Youtube videos feature Bigfoot with breasts and erections (which also puts a dent in any attempt to defend the Redwoods footage by saying nobody could think of giving a Bigfoot costume an erection). Quote: Didn't Noll also persuade Meldrum that the skookum elk lay was a BF impression? I'm not sure about that, but I do know that the fact that some features of the lay reminded him of Meldrum's hypothetical sasquatch anatomy. In other words, it's "Sasquatch: Legend meets Confirmation bias".
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5th March 2009, 05:00 PM	#22
Kilaak Kommander Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 342	Originally Posted by AtomicMysteryMonster By the way, did you ever get to check out the records for the PGF at the Library of Congress? Yes, but it didn't turn up any surprises. All of the documents were filed by René Dahinden. The file copy of the film is a real beauty with rich, vivid color. It was in a generic container with no markings on the film itself. What stood out most was that I'm used to seeing the PGF heavily cropped. Patty is just a tiny, blurry thing in the full frame.

31st March 2009, 04:20 PM	#23
Tyinhell Student Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by Chains That guy is an idiot. Read his posts, all he does is complain and take potshots at Bigfoot researchers. The story of my life; known by many, loved by few....
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31st March 2009, 04:41 PM	#24
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31st March 2009, 05:44 PM	#25
Tyinhell Student Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16	Thanks Rock.... The thoughts here are not unlike my own. I've always enjoyed reading this forum.
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31st March 2009, 05:59 PM	#26
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sapporo ichiban! Posts: 9,238	Ty, 地獄へようこそ (jigoku e yokoso) Welcome to hell! Come sit by the fire. muwaHAHAHA
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31st March 2009, 06:20 PM	#27
Tyinhell Student Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by kitakaze Ty, 地獄へようこそ (jigoku e yokoso) Welcome to hell! Thanks Kit. Got a real kick out of your "Wild Bunch" threads. Great Stuff...
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1st April 2009, 05:04 AM	#28
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,798	Hey TY, sorry for quoting you and evoking the "That guy is an idiot" response from Chains. But I thought your analysis of Bigfoot Scientists was spot on.
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1st April 2009, 11:30 PM	#29
Tyinhell Student Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16	Hey, that's cool Drew and thanks.
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2nd April 2009, 05:59 PM	#31
Telaynay's G'son Thinker Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 209	Well...he's going to be at the Honobia BF Festival later this year where the High Potentate (Ed Smith) is going to reveal the dramatic evidence (as pimped on MABRC) that's going to set Bigfootery (and the rest of the world) on it's ear. Pardon me but doesn't this sound like paying .50 to see the bearded lady. I understand later that evening the snipe hunt will begin in earnest.
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2nd April 2009, 06:19 PM	#32
Loxton Student Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39	Meldrum and Skeptics Speaking of the relationship between Bigfoot, Meldrum, and the skeptical community, I might note in passing that I defended Meldrum during that 2006 flap in a guest editorial at Cryptomundo. Looking over it now, it seems to me to give cryptozoology more credit than it has perhaps earned. It's not that anything I said is untrue, but my comments do sidestep a hard reality: bad research is bad regardless of the subject matter. Unfortunately, crypto research is very often spectacularly bad. I wish that weren't so, but it is.
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2nd April 2009, 06:25 PM	#33
Loxton Student Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 I debunk it thusly: GIGO Yep, that's the size of it. We know the Bigfoot database is stuffed with hoaxes and mistakes both. The only filters for what goes into it in the first place are the guess-based preconceptions of Bigfooters. Trying to conclude anything from the Bigfoot database is ridiculous.
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3rd April 2009, 02:04 PM	#34
Tyinhell Student Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by clayflingythingy Didn't Noll also persuade Meldrum that the skookum elk lay was a BF impression? Is Meldrum incredibly stupid or is Noll an incredibly gifted con man? I think part of it is, these guys give each other way too much credit, in the same way LAL questions how could all of the "experts" who participated in the Skookum expedition be wrong and DY be right. I've long considered both of their opinions on alleged bigfoot evidence to be on par with a "SweatyYeti/Coolfoot" type or just above the MABRC's collective level of objectivity.
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3rd April 2009, 04:23 PM	#35
Blackdog Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 408	Here's the thing though, Ty, (welcome to the dark side BTW)...when has Noll ever expressed an objective opinion? He might not be salivating over every tree bend or pile of brush but he wasted no time declaring the elk lay a BF impression. Not to mention his "expert" analysis of the MDF... At least I've heard Meldrum retract some of his knee jerk opinions, I've yet to see Noll do that.
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3rd April 2009, 05:52 PM	#36
Tyinhell Student Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by Blackdog but he wasted no time declaring the elk lay a BF impression. He did admit on the BFF that one the first things they did before casting was to pick out and toss the elk hairs.(while looking for BF hair) Hmm Noll and co. scratching their heads..'I wonder what all these fn' elk hairs are doing in this Bigfoot impression? They gotta' go !..' Quote: I've yet to see Noll do that. Although it probably would do wonders for his credibility; somehow I suspect, from the arrogance in his posts, you never will BD. ...and thanks for the welcome..
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4th April 2009, 03:00 AM	#37
Nomada New Blood Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 20	I wonder if Bigfoot: The life and times of a legend by Joshua Blu Buhs will be on Dr. Meldrum's bookshelf? Edited to add: Will be published May 2009.
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4th April 2009, 05:00 AM	#38
athon Guest Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,259	Originally Posted by Kilaak Kommander The "new species are found all the time" argument is misleading, methinks. There's not a concerted effort to find something specific. It's more along the lines of walking through a remote patch of jungle and brushing a half dozen new species off your shirt. Then scraping some more off the bottom of your shoe. Usually the only reason these species haven't been found before is because no one was looking for them. Compare that to a 40 year search for an ape-sized creature using increasingly advanced technology. Or repeatedly combing over every square inch of a Scottish lake. Not to mention that while there are plenty of 'new species' being discovered, bigfoot wouldn't just be a new species of hominid - by all accounts it would be a new genus. This isn't like a neanderthal clomping about in the back woods, after all. And finding a new genus (or higher) of organism doesn't happen quite as often. Lastly, often when it's said a new species is discovered, it's less that a previously unknown animal has been found, and typically more than an organism is studied and found to be a species distinct to that which has been previously catagorised. Athon
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4th April 2009, 05:03 AM	#39
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,528	Originally Posted by Tyinhell I think part of it is, these guys give each other way too much credit, in the same way LAL questions how could all of the "experts" who participated in the Skookum expedition be wrong and DY be right. oooh, I want to comment on that sooooooooooo bad

4th April 2009, 01:03 PM	#40
Vortigern99 Sorcerer Supreme Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 7,905	Originally Posted by Tyinhell He did admit on the BFF that one the first things they did before casting was to pick out and toss the elk hairs.(while looking for BF hair) *Hmm Noll and co. scratching their heads..'I wonder what all these fn' elk hairs are doing in this Bigfoot impression? They gotta' go !..'* I've been chuckling about this since last night. I could re-read it a hundred times and it would still be funny.
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