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Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum - America's "Bigfoot Professor"
Bigfoot Believer Guy
Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, Ph.D. - Idaho State University, Associate Professor of Anatomy & Anthropology, Adjunct Associate Professor, Dept. of Anthropology, Dept. of Occupational and Physical Therapy, Affiliate Curator, Idaho Museum of Natural History. Internal communication at ISU...
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Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot. |
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Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick
Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick
Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick
Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick
Originally Posted by Meldrum@skepchick
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Regarding the question 'Should there be more scientists involved in Bigfoot Research.
TY at the Bigfoot Discussion forum, had this to say, I thought it was meaningful.
Originally Posted by Ty
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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Normal in a weird way. |
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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I'm often in need of a good laugh, so I've been watching the new episodes of Monster Quest (Hitch's current avatar shows how a bird's beak can appear to be a horselike snout, a fact missing from the Jersey Devil episode) and stuff from the "Paranormal TV" section my cable service's "On Demand" menu. Going there led to a a snippet from an episode of short-lived 2002 "In Search of" revival discussing Bigfoot. Not only do they show the Freeman video and some interview footage of Freeman without a hint of skepticism, but Dr. Meldrum offered some insight on why he feels the Freeman video is worthy of note: The forearms are disproportionally long and the head doesn't seem humanlike. Considering that Patty supporters are often quick to bring up that Patty's "long arms" can't be due to extensions due to the forearms not being disproportionate* like they would be with a simple extension device, I'm amazed Dr. Meldrum could make such an argument regarding the Freeman film.
As for the head issue: Masks can easily make a person's head seem "less human." Or if he's referring to its placement on the body, I once did a post explaining how it could be done. *They forget that many people with arms as long as Patty's are known to exist. Also, slumping the shoulders forward and the position of the arm during a swing can also create the illusion of long arms. |
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Long arms?
Count this in too, then:
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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MQ never fails to not deliver, and that's what makes it so great. One of the highlights of this season was Meldrum examining footprint casts and essentially saying, "there's nothing here". When Meldrum takes a dump on your casts, you're in trouble.
The "new species are found all the time" argument is misleading, methinks. There's not a concerted effort to find something specific. It's more along the lines of walking through a remote patch of jungle and brushing a half dozen new species off your shirt. Then scraping some more off the bottom of your shoe. Usually the only reason these species haven't been found before is because no one was looking for them. Compare that to a 40 year search for an ape-sized creature using increasingly advanced technology. Or repeatedly combing over every square inch of a Scottish lake. |
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So, Rick Noll had to point out to Meldrum the BF "features" of the MD footage. Interesting.
Didn't Noll also persuade Meldrum that the skookum elk lay was a BF impression? Is Meldrum incredibly stupid or is Noll an incredibly gifted con man? |
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Come on, everyone knows you can't fake the head placement on a body...
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Can any of you even try to debunk the gaussian curve based of footprints?
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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Originally Posted by Kilaak Kommander
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By the way, did you ever get to check out the records for the PGF at the Library of Congress?
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Although they're not hoaxes, several of butchykid624's humorous Youtube videos feature Bigfoot with breasts and erections (which also puts a dent in any attempt to defend the Redwoods footage by saying nobody could think of giving a Bigfoot costume an erection).
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Yes, but it didn't turn up any surprises. All of the documents were filed by René Dahinden. The file copy of the film is a real beauty with rich, vivid color. It was in a generic container with no markings on the film itself. What stood out most was that I'm used to seeing the PGF heavily cropped. Patty is just a tiny, blurry thing in the full frame.
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Ty - I just about fell off my chair when I read your JREF forum handle!!!
Awesome dude, just awesome. I look forward to reading your comments and opinions on this board. |
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Thanks Rock....
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Ty,
地獄へようこそ (jigoku e yokoso) ![]() ![]() Come sit by the fire. ![]() muwaHAHAHA |
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Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6 |
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Hey TY, sorry for quoting you and evoking the "That guy is an idiot" response from Chains. But I thought your analysis of Bigfoot Scientists was spot on.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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Hey, that's cool Drew and thanks.
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A post by Alan Smithee
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I really enjoy his appearances on C2C.
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Well...he's going to be at the Honobia BF Festival later this year where the High Potentate (Ed Smith) is going to reveal the dramatic evidence (as pimped on MABRC) that's going to set Bigfootery (and the rest of the world) on it's ear.
Pardon me but doesn't this sound like paying .50 to see the bearded lady. I understand later that evening the snipe hunt will begin in earnest. |
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Meldrum and Skeptics
Speaking of the relationship between Bigfoot, Meldrum, and the skeptical community, I might note in passing that I defended Meldrum during that 2006 flap in a guest editorial at Cryptomundo.
Looking over it now, it seems to me to give cryptozoology more credit than it has perhaps earned. It's not that anything I said is untrue, but my comments do sidestep a hard reality: bad research is bad regardless of the subject matter. Unfortunately, crypto research is very often spectacularly bad. I wish that weren't so, but it is. |
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Yep, that's the size of it. We know the Bigfoot database is stuffed with hoaxes and mistakes both. The only filters for what goes into it in the first place are the guess-based preconceptions of Bigfooters.
Trying to conclude anything from the Bigfoot database is ridiculous. |
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I think part of it is, these guys give each other way too much credit, in the same way LAL questions how could all of the "experts" who participated in the Skookum expedition be wrong and DY be right. I've long considered both of their opinions on alleged bigfoot evidence to be on par with a "SweatyYeti/Coolfoot" type or just above the MABRC's collective level of objectivity. |
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Here's the thing though, Ty, (welcome to the dark side BTW)...when has Noll ever expressed an objective opinion?
He might not be salivating over every tree bend or pile of brush but he wasted no time declaring the elk lay a BF impression. Not to mention his "expert" analysis of the MDF... At least I've heard Meldrum retract some of his knee jerk opinions, I've yet to see Noll do that. |
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He did admit on the BFF that one the first things they did before casting was to pick out and toss the elk hairs.(while looking for BF hair)
Hmm *Noll and co. scratching their heads*..'I wonder what all these fn' elk hairs are doing in this Bigfoot impression? They gotta' go !..'
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I wonder if Bigfoot: The life and times of a legend by Joshua Blu Buhs will be on Dr. Meldrum's bookshelf?
Edited to add: Will be published May 2009. |
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Not to mention that while there are plenty of 'new species' being discovered, bigfoot wouldn't just be a new species of hominid - by all accounts it would be a new genus. This isn't like a neanderthal clomping about in the back woods, after all.
And finding a new genus (or higher) of organism doesn't happen quite as often. Lastly, often when it's said a new species is discovered, it's less that a previously unknown animal has been found, and typically more than an organism is studied and found to be a species distinct to that which has been previously catagorised. Athon |
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