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Old 3rd November 2008, 07:20 PM   #1
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Police look into psychic "tips" about Caylee Anthony

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Psychic Tips Pour In In Caylee Case

Tips Coming From Canada, Mexico, Poland
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POSTED: 4:48 pm EDT October 30, 2008

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Orange Co. deputies have received close to 5,000 tips in the case since it first broke in July. Deputies are taking these tips seriously -- most have already been prioritized and investigated.

The majority come from psychics who claim to have visions about what happened to Caylee. However most are just too vague to help.

"She felt her child was threatened, and didn't feel like she could protect her child," said an anonymous psychic who believes that Caylee is still alive. Her visions show that Caylee is in Canada.
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The tips come from CrimeLine, e-mails, and even handwritten letters. Some are from as far away as Canada, Mexico, even Poland.

The more morbid visions show Caylee buried in the woods, in water, or burned in a farm field.

"None of them ever panned out," said Padilla.

Investigators say they have followed all credible leads - even from psychics. In the end they believe it will not be a vision that solves this case.

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Source: http://www.wesh.com/news/17850702/detail.html
Video: http://www.wesh.com/video/17850995/index.html


That's disappointing to see police examine psychic "leads," but at least they admit the "tips" are vague and of no help. However, if or when the case is solved some psychic(s) are going to claim credit for it since the police "looked into the tip".
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Old 3rd November 2008, 07:33 PM   #2
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In the Madeliene McCann case it said that the cops were reading all the tips from 'psychics' in case one turned out to be a hint from someone who actually knew some real information, but were sending it to them in the form of a psychic prediction because they didn't want to get involved.
Maybe that is the case here too?
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Old 3rd November 2008, 07:43 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Jonquill View Post
In the Madeliene McCann case it said that the cops were reading all the tips from 'psychics' in case one turned out to be a hint from someone who actually knew some real information, but were sending it to them in the form of a psychic prediction because they didn't want to get involved.
Maybe that is the case here too?
But the police said, "None of them ever panned out."
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Originally Posted by Questioninggeller View Post
That's disappointing to see police examine psychic "leads," but at least they admit the "tips" are vague and of no help. However, if or when the case is solved some psychic(s) are going to claim credit for it since the police "looked into the tip".
Having worked in law enforcement, I can tell you that police follow up ALL leads and tips in a case, psychic, crackpot, or otherwise. It's definitely not an indicator that police officers believe in psychic ability...and the greater majority of those I worked with absolutely do not.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 08:03 PM   #5
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Seems like after 5,000 tips from psychics one of them should get lucky.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 08:15 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by my_wan View Post
Seems like after 5,000 tips from psychics one of them should get lucky.
Too easy. Here's mine. "She's dead and her body will be found near water."
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Old 4th November 2008, 02:50 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Questioninggeller View Post
But the police said, "None of them ever panned out."
Yes, but, they couldn't have known that before checking them out.
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Originally Posted by my_wan View Post
Seems like after 5,000 tips from psychics one of them should get lucky.
You'd think so, but, of course, most psychic tips are so unspecific as to be laughable. You know, they "see" trees, or water, or a power plant in the distance, or a culvert, etc., but it's all vague. Cops try to follow up these tips, but the very vagueness makes it almost impossible to decipher the location the psychic is "seeing".

And here's the sad thing - cops will waste manpower and time following these leads, because that's what they are required to do and, because, like everyone else, they always have the hope that that one lead will help them find a child like Caylee.

The majority of the time, the psychic isn't doing it to help find the child, but for their own selfish reasons - either they get a kick over "part of the investigation" or they want to broadcast that they are helping the police, or both.

It's one of the more sickening traits of psychics.
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Old 4th November 2008, 11:11 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Jonquill View Post
In the Madeliene McCann case it said that the cops were reading all the tips from 'psychics' in case one turned out to be a hint from someone who actually knew some real information, but were sending it to them in the form of a psychic prediction because they didn't want to get involved.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/ma...adeleinemccann

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Police in Portugal are poring over messages from self-professed psychics and clairvoyants in an attempt to track down Madeleine McCann, who went missing exactly four weeks ago.
Two 8cm-thick files of emails and other communications are being examined in case one of them contains a message from the four-year-old's kidnapper, the detective leading the hunt, Olegario Sousa, said today.

Each clairvoyant's claim was being taken seriously in case they were from the person or people who snatched Madeleine from her parent's holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, Chief Inspector Sousa said.

"That is one of the reasons that we cannot discard anything," he said. "We must check them all in case it might be from the kidnapper.
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Generally speaking when the police investigate these matters, they're considered a tertiary source of information - the sort of thing to which one replies "We'll look into it" and then doesn't. The police have a very finite set of free resources (officers who can be pulled away from other tasks to investigate other claims) that can be used, many of these only available for a limited period of time (no officer will willingly stick around after his shift is over to begin searching every inch of ground near a power plant, for example).

The utility of psychics as information resources is therefore completely useless, but psychics do have some use - even if it's a very poor one. Psychics do act as a gauge by which a detective can measure the spread of information released so as to get better public reactions to worthwhile information (analyze how fast psychics pick up on bad things, and then use that to grab the public's attention), but in the end there usually isn't enough time to make this worthwhile. From the police officers I've spoken to on the subject, ultimately the value of a psychic to an investigation is that their claims are an excellent way to boost the recycling statistics of the department.

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Originally Posted by MattC View Post
Generally speaking when the police investigate these matters, they're considered a tertiary source of information - the sort of thing to which one replies "We'll look into it" and then doesn't. The police have a very finite set of free resources (officers who can be pulled away from other tasks to investigate other claims) that can be used, many of these only available for a limited period of time (no officer will willingly stick around after his shift is over to begin searching every inch of ground near a power plant, for example).

The utility of psychics as information resources is therefore completely useless, but psychics do have some use - even if it's a very poor one. Psychics do act as a gauge by which a detective can measure the spread of information released so as to get better public reactions to worthwhile information (analyze how fast psychics pick up on bad things, and then use that to grab the public's attention), but in the end there usually isn't enough time to make this worthwhile. From the police officers I've spoken to on the subject, ultimately the value of a psychic to an investigation is that their claims are an excellent way to boost the recycling statistics of the department.

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It's also relevant that regarding finite resources some psychics charge for their nonsense. They charge families and police, stemming from the publicity they get from being linked to past police work:

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A California psychic hired by the Thibodaux Police Department now says the priest was killed by a "young mulatto" homosexual who was enraged by Hunter's rejection of his advances.

"Someone was in love with the minister and he (the minister) wasn't predisposed to be in love with a man," Sylvia Browne of Campbell, Calif., said in a telephone interview last week. "He (the minister) said, 'I was just helping you. I wasn't in love with you,' and in a rage, he killed him.
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The Thibodaux Police Department paid $ 400 for a half-hour consultation with Browne because, her secretary Larry Beck, said, "They wanted it right away."
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Old 6th November 2008, 01:52 AM   #12
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You'd think so, but, of course, most psychic tips are so unspecific as to be laughable. You know, they "see" trees, or water, or a power plant in the distance, or a culvert, etc., but it's all vague. Cops try to follow up these tips, but the very vagueness makes it almost impossible to decipher the location the psychic is "seeing".

And here's the sad thing - cops will waste manpower and time following these leads, because that's what they are required to do and, because, like everyone else, they always have the hope that that one lead will help them find a child like Caylee.

The majority of the time, the psychic isn't doing it to help find the child, but for their own selfish reasons - either they get a kick over "part of the investigation" or they want to broadcast that they are helping the police, or both.

It's one of the more sickening traits of psychics.
Yes, and no matter how little help they are they can always use that vagueness after the fact to claim a hit. The fact that the tip itself was zero help to the police is immaterial to their claims once Caylee is found.
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Old 11th December 2008, 11:46 AM   #13
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Damn...May have found her
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...la-girls-home/

interesting--and some will claim a hit...
What a load of crap...
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Mandy Albritton, a member of EquuSearch — one of the groups that searched for the missing toddler — told the Orlando Sentinel that their volunteers did not check the location in early September because it was submerged in water. When they returned in November, the site had been fenced off.
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Mandy Albritton, a member of EquuSearch — one of the groups that searched for the missing toddler — told the Orlando Sentinel that their volunteers did not check the location in early September because it was submerged in water. When they returned in November, the site had been fenced off.
So? What difference does a fence make when you are searching for a missing child? Climb the fence and look on the other side.
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Old 11th December 2008, 12:46 PM   #15
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A utility worker reading a meter may have found her remains. More investigation is required befor any final conclusions can be reached...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/11/...und/index.html
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Old 12th December 2008, 01:07 PM   #16
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The mother's defense lawyer didn't seem interested in psychics:

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Casey Anthony's Attorney Seeks Tapes

Last Edited: Wednesday, 10 Dec 2008, 5:55 PM EST
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Associated Press Writer

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Defense lawyer Jose Baez wants the Florida Mall in Orlando to turn over all of its surveillance tapes from 2 p.m to 5 p.m. on Nov. 16. In a motion filed Monday, he asked a court to subpoena them. No decision has been made yet.
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"I'm not interested in psychic sightings, law enforcement suggestions," Baez said. "I'm interested about tips relating to the sighting of Caylee Marie Anthony and nothing more."
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We'll see if any psychic can admit wasting police time/being wrong:

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Psychic-Led Team 'Blind Driving' Central Fla. To Find Missing Girl
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POSTED: 6:00 am EDT August 11, 2008
UPDATED: 7:04 am EDT August 11, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- A psychic detective and her team are "blind driving" around Central Florida searching for missing Caylee Anthony.

"We will not even look at street names," psychic detective Gale St. John said. "We drive and go completely on feeling instinct, chasing down what we call a person signature."

St. John and her team arrived in Central Florida and immediately began using specially trained cadaver dogs to check areas on foot over the weekend near Lee Vista Road.
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The team will be driving around the region on Monday. Another psychic will be helping in the search as well, Local 6 reported.
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another:
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Local Psychic Helping FBI Look For Caylee Anthony

Last Edited: Sunday, 31 Aug 2008, 2:12 PM EDT
Created: Sunday, 31 Aug 2008, 8:56 AM EDT
FOX 2's Deena Centofanti

A local psychic and radio personality says she may have the answer to what happened to Caylee Anthony, the Florida toddler who's been missing for weeks. Joining us is Kimmie Rose Zapf, from CBS's Psychic Radio here in Southfield.
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Kimmie Rose Zapf claimed Caylee told her:

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It was so hot, I was so hot where I was, when I was in a car, but I went to sleep, but I’m safe. Mommy, it’s ok to talk to them.
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This was all an accident. Nobody meant for this to happen.
and more (including a Sylvia Browne mention):

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TITLE: Psychic tips in Caylee case include pile of rocks, zoo, satanic ritual
AUTHOR: Sarah Lundy
SOURCE: Sentinel Staff Writer
DATE: October 29, 2008

Investigators have received thousands of tips from around the world -- many from psychics -- since Caylee Marie Anthony was reported missing in mid-July. Read some of the tips here.

Those tips, which were released Tuesday, include a scribbled map from a woman who said the little girl could be found near a tall tree and pile of rocks between Orlando International Airport and Disney World.

One caller had a vision that the KKK used the missing girl in a satanic ritual in Mississippi. Another tipster had a dream about Caylee in a zoo with lots of animals, including a leopard. And someone called Central Florida Crimeline with psychic Sylvia Brown's fees (phone reading: $850) in hopes she could help.

Earlier this month, Orange Circuit Court Stan Strickland ordered the state to turn over all the tips law enforcement has received in the search for Caylee after Anthony's attorney Jose Baez requested them.
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While most of the tips released Tuesday are from psychics, dreamers and others with visions of Caylee's whereabouts, prosecutors plan to release more tips after law-enforcement officials forward the information to them, according to the State Attorney's Office.

"The psychic tips are not what the law firm is going to concentrate on," said Todd Black, a spokesman for Baez.

Other tips released Tuesday include one from a caller with a Ouija board and pendulum who believed Caylee could be found in a garbage dump. A different caller alerted authorities Sept.9 that Caylee would be found on a golf course six days later.
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It's not surprising the psychics were way off. After all police have known for months:

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Investigators have said that cadaver dogs picked up the scent of death in Anthony's car, as well as in her parents' backyard. They also said air quality tests conducted by the FBI found evidence consistent with human decomposition and chloroform in the car's trunk. A neighbor told police Anthony had asked to borrow a shovel.
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Well at least one person got the details correct:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...21#post4175521

If they had followed this advice. the police would have saved time by not searching for a living person or in the Mojave Desert.

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Too easy. Here's mine. "She's dead and her body will be found near water."
I want to make it clear that I find it sad, unfortunate, and disgusting that Caylee Anthony was most likely murdered by a mother who didn't care about her.

But to poke fun at "psychics" who waste valuable time, resources and prey upon the emotionally vulnerable:

Gord_in_Toronto made two predictions in a post in this thread which turned out to be true (1. Caylee was dead, 2. would be found near water.)
and therefore, statistically speaking,
Gord_in_Toronto has a 100% accuracy in prediction rating.
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Originally Posted by Ernie M View Post
I want to make it clear that I find it sad, unfortunate, and disgusting that Caylee Anthony was most likely murdered by a mother who didn't care about her.

But to poke fun at "psychics" who waste valuable time, resources and prey upon the emotionally vulnerable:

Gord_in_Toronto made two predictions in a post in this thread which turned out to be true (1. Caylee was dead, 2. would be found near water.)
and therefore, statistically speaking,
Gord_in_Toronto has a 100% accuracy in prediction rating.
I actually make this prediction about every single missing person. I don't claim 100% accuracy overall but it is probably at least 78%*.
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* This statistic, like 78% of all statistics, is made up.

And, may I also add, that I too am not making fun of the death of a child but am making fun of those useless and/or deluded parasites that call themselves psychics. In other threads I have also made fun of the ghoul Nancy Grace who has made her living of this case for the past six months and, as best I can determine, added nothing to the solution what-so-ever.
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If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

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In other threads I have also made fun of the ghoul Nancy Grace who has made her living of this case for the past six months and, as best I can determine, added nothing to the solution what-so-ever
No wonder she was basically forced out of her job as a Public Prosecutor.
I totally share your dislike for Grace.

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Sadly, it appears as if the remains found are Caylee's. All of the forensics tests made so far appear to be positive, and they are probably just waiting for the DNA tests to be completed to make a final announcement.
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

Near <> in

So sorry.
Picky, picky, picky!

After reading the article mentioned above, my impression is Caylee's remains were found by the meter reader AFTER the water receded. This would mean that the remains were found not submerged in water, but near water. But even an indoor plumbing line could be considered "near" as well. Or, it could have been a humid day, meaning there was water in the air... It's all in the interpretation.

Gord_in_Toronto remains 2 for 2 in predictions, or 100% accurate.
Totally psychic ;-)
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Nancy Grace is a monster and a blot upon humanity. I can honestly say that although there are very few people in the world that I honestly hate and loathe, she's one of them.

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Originally Posted by Ernie M View Post
Picky, picky, picky!

After reading the article mentioned above, my impression is Caylee's remains were found by the meter reader AFTER the water receded. This would mean that the remains were found not submerged in water, but near water. But even an indoor plumbing line could be considered "near" as well. Or, it could have been a humid day, meaning there was water in the air... It's all in the interpretation.

Gord_in_Toronto remains 2 for 2 in predictions, or 100% accurate.
Totally psychic ;-)
Or, of course, since her body was probably in or very near the water that has since receded, any psychic could say that their visualization occurred while the water was still there.

"I said it way back in September! I told the cops she was near water! If only they had listened..."
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Oh when Gord_in_Toronto made the prediction when the body was in water. So you agree it was a miss then?
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If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

Near <> in

So sorry.
Not for psychic fandom it won't!!!
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Oh when Gord_in_Toronto made the prediction when the body was in water. So you agree it was a miss then?
Oh noes! Someone has found me out. But wait. The Body was in a Plastic Bag. Undoubtedly the bag was sealed. So the body was not in the water but was within a couple of microns of the water. You can't get much nearer than that!

I have been following the "predictions" of "psychics" for decades. You want more waffling? I have learned metric tonnes of excuses.
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Old 13th December 2008, 05:30 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by LibraryLady View Post
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Nancy Grace is a monster and a blot upon humanity. I can honestly say that although there are very few people in the world that I honestly hate and loathe, she's one of them.

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I don't dislike her per se, but the obsession she manages to attach to single missing white girls does boggle the mind. You'd think only one child in the whole country was missing since the Anthony case came to Nancy's attention. And prior to that Natalie Holloway was the only teen who ever disappeared while traveling out of the country.

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Old 13th December 2008, 05:36 PM   #30
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If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

Near <> in

So sorry.
No no.... the body was only found after the water receded. That would make it near but not in the water.


Never mind, I see this observation was already noted.
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Old 18th December 2008, 11:18 AM   #31
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Kimmie Rose Zapf was on MyFoxDetroit claiming she talked the missing/dead girl Caylee Anthony and is sending a message to her mother Casey Anthony. Here is the full transcript from above:

Originally Posted by Kimmie Rose Zapf
My name is Caylee, and I need you to help find me so my grandma won’t be worried, so she won’t be sad anymore. I know the person that did this to me didn’t mean to, and I forgive them. I know they wouldn’t have hurt me like that on purpose. Tell my mommy I’m in Heaven and God loves her very much. And so does he love Grandma and Pop. Tell her that she can smile, and know that I’m ok. Pop is strict but he loves you and sometimes he makes you feel sad, but he wanted you to do good and to be ok. And that made you feel not good enough, and I know it hurts mommy, but inside, you are good. If you want to tell Tony that you want to be with him, tell him not to make you cry, and not to feel sad. But please don’t make him feel sad back either. I know the person that did this to me was only trying to find a safe place for me. A place for me to go.

And someone who would love me, to take care of me. Please just tell everyone, talk to people and they’ll understand. I know you understand mommy, cause you do love me. Nobody can believe that you don’t love me. I had to go to sleep mommy and a lady from God came to get me. It was so hot, I was so hot where I was, when I was in a car, but I went to sleep, but I’m safe. Mommy, it’s ok to talk to them. They’re not gonna be mad. I promise. Tell them about the man who hid (hit?) me. Mommy, tell them about the man who hit me, and let everyone be at peace it’s ok. To my grandma I want to say, you love your kid so much and thank you for the teddy bear you gave me. Mommy promise me you won’t cry. Be happy, not trapped. And don’t try so hard for someone to love you. Don’t push them away either and don’t cry about not being loved by Tony. This was all an accident. Nobody meant for this to happen. The police need to talk to the man at the car part store who knows where I am. Pleaes mommy, it’s okay. You’re not bad. You’re just confused and scared. You lost your baby it’s gonna get better. I promise it will be ok. I love you.
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Police sources said the skull, covered with cloth and found inside a garbage bag, still had duct tape attached to the mouth.
We'll have to get more facts on this, but if Kimmie Rose Zapf is wrong then she would appear to be a horrible, attention yearning person.

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Old 18th December 2008, 03:09 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by Questioninggeller View Post
Kimmie Rose Zapf was on MyFoxDetroit claiming she talked the missing/dead girl Caylee Anthony and is sending a message to her mother Casey Anthony. Here is the full transcript from above:
Pretty articulate for a three year old.

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We'll have to get more facts on this, but if Kimmie Rose Zapf is wrong then she would appear to be a horrible, attention yearning person.
CNN just reported that the man who found the remains had called the tip line three times back in August...but the specifics haven't been released. No clue how accurate that information is.

My money is on Kimmie Rose being a horrible, attention seeking person.
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My money is on Kimmie Rose being a horrible, attention seeking person.
So Nancy Grace should have her on her show at least 50 times by the end of next week?

Takes one to know one.
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Old 20th December 2008, 03:36 PM   #34
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Kimmie Rose Zapf was on MyFoxDetroit claiming she talked the missing/dead girl Caylee Anthony and is sending a message to her mother Casey Anthony. Here is the full transcript from above:

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My name is Caylee, and I need you to help find me so my grandma won’t be worried, so she won’t be sad anymore. I know the person that did this to me didn’t mean to, and I forgive them. I know they wouldn’t have hurt me like that on purpose. Tell my mommy I’m in Heaven and God loves her very much. And so does he love Grandma and Pop. Tell her that she can smile, and know that I’m ok. Pop is strict but he loves you and sometimes he makes you feel sad, but he wanted you to do good and to be ok. And that made you feel not good enough, and I know it hurts mommy, but inside, you are good. If you want to tell Tony that you want to be with him, tell him not to make you cry, and not to feel sad. But please don’t make him feel sad back either. I know the person that did this to me was only trying to find a safe place for me. A place for me to go.

And someone who would love me, to take care of me. Please just tell everyone, talk to people and they’ll understand. I know you understand mommy, cause you do love me. Nobody can believe that you don’t love me. I had to go to sleep mommy and a lady from God came to get me. It was so hot, I was so hot where I was, when I was in a car, but I went to sleep, but I’m safe. Mommy, it’s ok to talk to them. They’re not gonna be mad. I promise. Tell them about the man who hid (hit?) me. Mommy, tell them about the man who hit me, and let everyone be at peace it’s ok. To my grandma I want to say, you love your kid so much and thank you for the teddy bear you gave me. Mommy promise me you won’t cry. Be happy, not trapped. And don’t try so hard for someone to love you. Don’t push them away either and don’t cry about not being loved by Tony. This was all an accident. Nobody meant for this to happen. The police need to talk to the man at the car part store who knows where I am. Please mommy, it’s okay. You’re not bad. You’re just confused and scared. You lost your baby it’s gonna get better. I promise it will be ok. I love you.
From the news, yesterday:

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Search for Caylee turns to prosecution
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Although Orange County, Florida, Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia said Friday she could not determine how Caylee died, she concluded the death was a homicide.
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Thus, Kimmie Rose Zapf was wrong and told a story that has no basis in reality for an appearance on television.
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Thus, Kimmie Rose Zapf was wrong and told a story that has no basis in reality for an appearance on television.
Of course, Zapf will probably respond that "Caylee" meant that Casey had given her an accidental overdose of chloroform.
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My sympathies for the little girl.

But now Fox "news" will have to find another missing/abducted/murdered white female story to exploit the hell out of. It's not just psychics that do it.
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Gale St John

I noticed Gale St John, aka psychic The Bodyhunter™, is rightly taking a beating for her involvement.

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Psychic Team Joins Search For Caylee Anthony
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 – updated: 10:37 am EDT August 12, 2008
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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It's been 28 days since now 3-year-old Caylee Anthony was reported missing and a psychic has joined the efforts to find her.
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Gale St. John said she had a vision of a place in Orlando near a lake, surrounded by trees and wildflowers. That is where she believes Caylee Anthony can be found, but not alive.

"It's just a feeling that we have. We don't like to talk about it because it hurts us," Gale St. John said.

St. John was the star of a planned cable TV show, The Body Hunter, and now she has a team searching an area near Lake Conway with cadaver dogs. Gale said that she was not just doing it for TV, she was also asking for donations on her website.

Since the low budget show has not debuted yet, St. John said donations were the only way she could afford to travel.

"Geez, I wish I wasn't losing my house right now. So if I'm making a profit somehow, it's not doing me a lot of good," she said.

St. John has not promised anything, but said she had something to offer.

"Can we be wrong? Yes, but we're doing more than sitting around talking about someone missing," said St. John.
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Gale St John's "feeling of an Orlando location near a lake" was wrong. Furthermore, she was using this for a TV show and for gaining donations. Plus you can see the common traits of psychic detective cold reading, "ie near water."

Not just that, but her own team says Gale is a liar and an author wants people to contact Florida Attorney General over her false charity claims. Listen to the interview with Gale's personal dog trainer, Colleen, who went on Nancy Grace with her. After all this, she again visits Florida two months later:

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Psychic Gale St. John back in Orlando searching for Caylee
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Created: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2008, 7:59 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Another big name you may recognize is back in town searching for Caylee Anthony, Psychic detective Gale St. John from the show The Body Hunters. This is St. John's third trip to Orlando looking for the missing three year old. Their first stop of the day, Greenwood Urban Wetland outside of downtown Orlando.

Dozens of tips led St. John to this location. "We don't just do the psychic thing...we investigate the tips as well," St. John said. She says she has a vision of the specific spot she's looking for.
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On Wednesday, St. John and her volunteers searched alongside a lake, through weeds and dried crackling leaves. And after an hour of searching there, St. John called it off. "I'm just not seeing logical here either way psychic or straight logic. There's nothing here," she said.

St. John will be in town searching through Sunday.
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Out of three different trips and several days, Gale St John found nothing and contributed nothing. But all the while, the media gave her publicity without skepticism as she requested donations from her website and promoted her TV show.

She clearly exploited this tragedy. Gale needs to be stopped.
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Psychic Gale St. John found Caylee Anthony

Now look at what Fox 35 News (WOFL) claims:

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Psychic found spot of Anthony remains months before

Last Edited: Monday, 05 Jan 2009, 7:48 PM EST
Created: Monday, 05 Jan 2009, 7:37 PM EST
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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- We told you how the man who found Caylee's remains called 911 months ago saying there was a bag in the woods. Starting on August 11th, meter reader Roy Kronk called police three times.

It turns out he wasn't the only one who had a feeling Caylee's remains were there.
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Now a group has come forward with startling evidence that may have pointed to something at the same spot several months prior.

Psychic Gale St. John, who has the show called ‘The Body Hunter’, was drawn to the same area on the same day and has the video to prove it. A video taken by St. John's daughter on the first day their search team "The Body Hunters" began looking for Caylee Marie Anthony seems to show that St. John felt their was something odd about the location.

St. John said she was riding with her apprentice, her daughter, a searcher and two cadaver dogs doing what they call a blind drive. They started at the Anthony’s home just around the corner from the site.

"We just start fresh from the scene,” said St. John. “And just drive to a location we feel the person is in.”
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"Alright, I've got to pull over,” she can be heard saying on the video. “Guys I'm immediately pulled here.” St. John is saying those words as she's driving up to the exact area where Caylee's remains were eventually found.

St. John says the feeling she got that day was overwhelming,

"You get very sick to your stomach,” she said. “You feel as though you've been punched in the stomach and something knocks the air out of you."

St. John let her searcher out of the car with one of their cadaver dogs. She then drove up the road to see if the feeling got stronger. It didn't so she turned back around and again in that same area.

"Something's not right here something's not right here," St. John told her daughter on the video that day.

St. John and her crew took a look around.

"The dogs showed very heavy interest back in that area," said St. John. But they didn't get far. "You can only go so far, and its water," said St. John on the video.

St. John could not get permission from the property owner to go into the woods where Caylee's remains would be found so she did not return.
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If you want to watch the unedited Gale St. John video we have a link for you. But a warning here is some profanity. http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm
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Click on the link for Fox's video report.

I do note Gale St. John's claims seem to have shifted from the earlier articles posted above.

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Now look at what Fox 35 News (WOFL) claims:
It's not what Fox 35 News claims, it's what the video seems to show. What is your explanation for Gale St. John being able to pinpoint the location where the body was found?
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It's not what Fox 35 News claims, it's what the video seems to show. What is your explanation for Gale St. John being able to pinpoint the location where the body was found?
Pinpoint is the wrong word. I watched the video. She drives past the spot where the remains were recovered, and stops some distance away. They let the dog out and walk it around (in the wrong area), then get back in the vehicle and leave.

She made videos of various locations at various times. Now she highlights the one made in the vicinity of the body and claims she found Caylee.
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