Man, Alec Jones Is Not Even Hiding It..

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His Anti Semitism, that is. The term Zionist has pretty much replaced NWO over at infowars.
Not that it was not painfully obvious before, but now Jones is making no attempts to hide his belief that The Jews Are Behind Everything.
And on Wenesday Ron Paul was on the show sounding nuttier then usual.
Nice going guys.
 
Did Alex Jones also claim that the Rothschild family rules the world? Jones did once interview David Mayer de Rothschild about global warming. Ahmadinejad, Hezbollah and Hamas all use the term "zionist".
 
I remember before I stopped listening to his crap, that a lot of his followers were bashing him for not talking enough about the jewish connection they believed were involved. To be honest, I see Jones as a man who does not believe in anything he uses on his show, and is instead purely in it for the money. I think he seen his movement going in a direction that he wasn't and changed course to keep the money train running. He is one pathetic piece of work.
 
It's pretty obvious the appointment of Emmanuel as Obama's CHief of Staff is what triggered this outburst of hate at infowars.
You might be right ,Sleepless. I have noted the Twoofer movement is becoming more anti semitic.probably because they need a new target now that dubys's days in office are numbered.
 
Did Alex Jones also claim that the Rothschild family rules the world? Jones did once interview David Mayer de Rothschild about global warming. Ahmadinejad, Hezbollah and Hamas all use the term "zionist".


Yeah, but Jones has never been quite so blatent about the "Zionists" being behind everything.
 
What I cannot understand is why so many people kill themselves over the office of the President. No matter who wins, our daily life is not going to change. Yet the woo's act like every single President is going to be the end of the world as we know it.

Its not even consistent anymore. Out of the 2 candidates, Obama is the person whose record shows that he is not stringently pro-Israel on everything like McCain is. So if the jewbs are behind everything, why did they put someone into power who doesn't support them as strongly as the other guy would?

I think the jews in power are getting a bit senile with their whole "rule the world" business.
 
Let's take a look at the facts for once:

There are about 15 million jews in the world.

The rothschilds, the Warburgs and many other dynasties are Jews.

Alan Greenspan and Ben bernanke are Jews.

Henry Kissinger is a Jew.

U.S. Supports Israel like a little brother.

These are just a little itsy bit of the common facts.

What makes you think that a people with the population of 15 million can shape the world as it has/does?

Fun fact: My ethnicity has over 15 million people and we aren't even known to the common person, or even most informed people.
 
His Anti Semitism, that is. The term Zionist has pretty much replaced NWO over at infowars.
Not that it was not painfully obvious before, but now Jones is making no attempts to hide his belief that The Jews Are Behind Everything.
And on Wenesday Ron Paul was on the show sounding nuttier then usual.
Nice going guys.

I haven't heard what Alex Jones has had to say recently so I won't comment on whether he is being anti-semitic or not. infowars isn't a place I frequent

However it's wrong to equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format. And criticism of Zionism as a movement in itself isn't anti-semitic. Also remember there are Jews that are against Zionism.

Disclaimer: I don't believe that "Jews are behind everything"

But when you ( and I mean you and Alex Jones and everyone else ) use the term "The Jews Are Behind Everything" what do you mean? What Jews? All of them? Or is this a specific group of people who happen to be Jewish?

Please explain.

There is a big difference between criticizing someone or a group of people because they are Jewish ( which is anti-semitic ) and criticizing a Jewish person or a group of Jewish People for their behavior ( not anti-semitic )

I bring this up because I am seeing a lot of criticism of Israel and pro-Israel lobbies being stifled because the race card is brought up every time. The ADL are a big problem in encouraging this.

I've suffered this myself on this forum although the accuser and myself have since thankfully resolved the issue.

And remember that those of you who are too quick to shout 'anti-semitism' are actually doing the real victims of anti-semitism a disservice. Because it seems these days that whenever a cry of anti-semitism is made you have to check whether it's real anti-semitism or not.
 
What I cannot understand is why so many people kill themselves over the office of the President. No matter who wins, our daily life is not going to change. Yet the woo's act like every single President is going to be the end of the world as we know it.

Its not even consistent anymore. Out of the 2 candidates, Obama is the person whose record shows that he is not stringently pro-Israel on everything like McCain is. So if the jewbs are behind everything, why did they put someone into power who doesn't support them as strongly as the other guy would?

I think the jews in power are getting a bit senile with their whole "rule the world" business.

Well, Rahm's appointment shows that Obama is not likely to really be less "pro-Israel" than McCain - maybe less "pro-likud", but there wont be a change in the fact America will still be strongly on-side w/ Israel. There was no "pro-Israel" and "anti-ISrael" candidate: there were two "pro-Israel" candidates.

The thing I don't get about the Alex Jones and anti-NWO theory generally is their lack of realism with regards to the implementation of whatever policies it is they'd like to see. Thats a murky spot given that its more of an "anti" movement than it is a "pro" movement - but you'd guess that underneath at least they want a Ron Paul style approach to foreign policy. We'll leave aside domestic policy given the cleavage between the libertarian and left-wing of this demographic.

So - you want a Ron Paul style foreign policy. A dismantling of American bases, a dismantling of the military industrial complex and so on...

Can't they see that before we can do that, we gotta work our way - slowly - towards that goal? Is there *any* sign in the current political environment that such an idea is even held by anyone considered "mainstream"?

So candidate X gets elected and they're immediately criticized as "stooges" for not immediately enacting their policies - when really, even if an Amy Goodman/Chomsky ticket made it to the white house they'd still have a congress of unknown composition to deal with, America would still have committments abroad and pressures abroad from friend and foe that necessitate a presence, the billions that course through the MIC keep a healthy chunk of America employed - how are we going to deal with that transition?

The list literally goes on and on. In my mind, they're missing the forest for the trees - hyperfocusing on individuals and their connections and even whatever occult practises they may be into - completely oblivious to the fact that the same systemic pressures that created those individuals would still be there if they were excised. A new crop of NWO Lizardmen would arise under those pressures. The political culture just isn't ready for those kind of drastic moves and they may never be. Trying to even picture such an environment in America challenges the mind and to be honest I can't even do it.

Of course, they're not really interested in the cohesiveness of their policies or their chances for implementation - there really is no single platform they adhere to. You got your "battle in seattle" left-wing with its myriad of internal conflicts, you have your right-wing extremists with a radically different idea of how the country should be run. They're all about being against the "elites", against the "corporations" and against the "NWO agenda" - and when they try to describe how those things work all they do is harp on things like the CFR and the Trilateral commission and bloodlines and the Rothschilds.

The CFR and the Trilateral comission are really just simple policy instruments - really banal in their workings when you get down to it. They are only a few among many influences on policy development - and you don't hear much about any of those other influences, how they may compete with the CFR etc...

The Rothschilds are only one among many wealthy and powerful families.

There's just a serious lack of depth in their analysis. Put simply, to criticize Obama for having establishment advisors and establishment support and campaign donations from lobbyists misses the fact that *any* winning candidate HAS to have those things. If thats your criteria for condemnation then there would never be any candidate that could escape it. Even one that would bring some of your ideas incrementally closer to actually happening.

The problem isn't Obama - or Brezinski - or the Rothschilds. Its the system mannnnnn! And I don't think I've ever come across a solid systemic analysis among the NWO True Believers.
 
Great post Praktik. :)

Especially the closing sentence.

The problem isn't Obama - or Brezinski - or the Rothschilds. Its the system mannnnnn! And I don't think I've ever come across a solid systemic analysis among the NWO True Believers.

The hasn't been a proper systemic analysis from what we'd call the Establishment either. And that's perhaps a bigger problem.
 
what if it is basically not wrong?

if most jews are indeed Zionists...then how is it wrong?

It's wrong when Anti-Semitism is used as ammunition to suppress criticism of the Zionist movement.

Most, well all, Republicans are Americans. No one says it's racist (Anti-American) to criticize them, even if the criticism comes from a non American.
 
Still sometimes it is right. It was sad what happend to the jews during WW2 but what about all the victims of Joseph Stalin? Oh yeah right Stalin was with the good guys and Hitler was evil. Are jews more important than karelians? chechens? Stalin is the real evil. People say that Joseph Stalin killed 50 million people. It is anyoing how zionists always talk about holocaust this and holocaust that while Putin can have a victory day parade on every May 9th in Moscow to honour the war criminal Soviet soldiers. There might be something true what Jones is saying. For example many jews keep lying and blaming that Finland was with Hitler on 1939 when that is not true. Soviet Union attacked first, stole Karelia and drove out over 400 000 karelians. My grandfather lost him home in Karelia. Russia neved has never said that the winter war was wrong. Still jews have some special right about the holocaust. Bush always defending Putin. I don"t hate jews but karelians are also humans. Russia stole Karelia and that is a fact. What makes jews more important than those 400 000 karelians?
 
Still sometimes it is right. It was sad what happend to the jews during WW2 but what about all the victims of Joseph Stalin? Oh yeah right Stalin was with the good guys and Hitler was evil. Are jews more important than karelians? chechens? Stalin is the real evil. People say that Joseph Stalin killed 50 million people. It is anyoing how zionists always talk about holocaust this and holocaust that while Putin can have a victory day parade on every May 9th in Moscow to honour the war criminal Soviet soldiers. There might be something true what Jones is saying. For example many jews keep lying and blaming that Finland was with Hitler on 1939 when that is not true. Soviet Union attacked first, stole Karelia and drove out over 400 000 karelians. My grandfather lost him home in Karelia. Russia neved has never said that the winter war was wrong. Still jews have some special right about the holocaust. Bush always defending Putin. I don"t hate jews but karelians are also humans. Russia stole Karelia and that is a fact. What makes jews more important than those 400 000 karelians?

No one is more important than anyone else. Nastiness happens when people start thinking they are.
 
Still sometimes it is right. It was sad what happend to the jews during WW2 but what about all the victims of Joseph Stalin? Oh yeah right Stalin was with the good guys and Hitler was evil. Are jews more important than karelians? chechens? Stalin is the real evil. People say that Joseph Stalin killed 50 million people. It is anyoing how zionists always talk about holocaust this and holocaust that while Putin can have a victory day parade on every May 9th in Moscow to honour the war criminal Soviet soldiers. There might be something true what Jones is saying. For example many jews keep lying and blaming that Finland was with Hitler on 1939 when that is not true. Soviet Union attacked first, stole Karelia and drove out over 400 000 karelians. My grandfather lost him home in Karelia. Russia neved has never said that the winter war was wrong. Still jews have some special right about the holocaust. Bush always defending Putin. I don"t hate jews but karelians are also humans. Russia stole Karelia and that is a fact. What makes jews more important than those 400 000 karelians?

I'm sorry, but you'll have to explain better what the similarities between the Jewish holocaust and the resettlement of the Karelians actually are, because there don't appear to be very many. Ironically, it seems the 1948 Palestinian exodus "al-Nakba" more closely corresponds.
 
It's wrong when Anti-Semitism is used as ammunition to suppress criticism of the Zionist movement.

Most, well all, Republicans are Americans. No one says it's racist (Anti-American) to criticize them, even if the criticism comes from a non American.

This is a really good point,

You have to understand here, at this forum, there is a real distaste for truthers and the people here will try to paint them as "stupid" or as "evil" as they possibly can.

Criticizing Zionism has nothing to do with the jewish population. Just like criticizing Neo-cons has nothing to do with the American or christian population.

:cool:
 
However it's wrong to equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format.

We're not the ones doing that. It's Alex Jones and his ilk who are using "Zionist" interchangeably for "Jew". All we've ever done is point out this fact.

Think about it. When has any of Jones's "Zionist" comments been about ACTUAL Zionism? I'd be willing to bet Jones doesn't even know what the word means. It's his codeword for "Jew", so that he can spew hate without being called out on it. So that whenever he spews hate idiots will defend him saying "OMG HES NOT ATTACKING JEWS HES ATTACKING ZIONISTS LOLOLOL!!1!!!!!1111".

Fortunately, Jones's lies are easy to see through. Lying is not something he is particularly good at.

It is Truthers, not JREF, who accuse every Jewish person who holds political office of being a "Zionist".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who use Jewish names as a means of "identifying Zionists".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who "equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format".
 
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This is a really good point,

You have to understand here, at this forum, there is a real distaste for truthers and the people here will try to paint them as "stupid" or as "evil" as they possibly can.

Yes I understand that. It's like a clash of civilizations. "You're either with us or with the twoofers"

Criticizing Zionism has nothing to do with the Jewish population. Just like criticizing Neo-cons has nothing to do with the American or christian population.

I thought Neocons were mainly Zionists?

But I get your point :)
 
His Anti Semitism, that is. The term Zionist has pretty much replaced NWO over at infowars.
Not that it was not painfully obvious before, but now Jones is making no attempts to hide his belief that The Jews Are Behind Everything.
And on Wenesday Ron Paul was on the show sounding nuttier then usual.
Nice going guys.

He has his Jew sidekick Bremes with him now, so he can get away with what he is saying.
 
We're not the ones doing that. It's Alex Jones and his ilk who are using "Zionist" interchangeably for "Jew". All we've ever done is point out this fact.

Think about it. When has any of Jones's "Zionist" comments been about ACTUAL Zionism? I'd be willing to bet Jones doesn't even know what the word means. It's his codeword for "Jew", so that he can spew hate without being called out on it. So that whenever he spews hate idiots will defend him saying "OMG HES NOT ATTACKING JEWS HES ATTACKING ZIONISTS LOLOLOL!!1!!!!!1111".

Fortunately, Jones's lies are easy to see through. Lying is not something he is particularly good at.

It is Truthers, not JREF, who accuse every Jewish person who holds political office of being a "Zionist".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who use Jewish names as a means of "identifying Zionists".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who "equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format".

Rubbish!

Most people I know who you would call "twoofers" have nothing against Jews whatsoever. They do criticise the Zionist movement.

All this 'codeword' BS is childish.

I'll condemn anyone for criticizing anyone because their race, sexuality or gender. But will speak up when political criticism is being labelled racism in order to stifle it.

I've never heard Alex Jones spew anything anti-semitical. But if you have evidence of him doing so then please present it and I'll be the first condemn him for it
 
Still sometimes it is right. It was sad what happend to the jews during WW2 but what about all the victims of Joseph Stalin? Oh yeah right Stalin was with the good guys and Hitler was evil. Are jews more important than karelians? chechens? Stalin is the real evil. People say that Joseph Stalin killed 50 million people. It is anyoing how zionists always talk about holocaust this and holocaust that while Putin can have a victory day parade on every May 9th in Moscow to honour the war criminal Soviet soldiers. There might be something true what Jones is saying. For example many jews keep lying and blaming that Finland was with Hitler on 1939 when that is not true. Soviet Union attacked first, stole Karelia and drove out over 400 000 karelians. My grandfather lost him home in Karelia. Russia neved has never said that the winter war was wrong. Still jews have some special right about the holocaust. Bush always defending Putin. I don"t hate jews but karelians are also humans. Russia stole Karelia and that is a fact. What makes jews more important than those 400 000 karelians?

Because the Jews control Hollywood. You will never see a movie about how Eastern Europeans suffered at the hands of the Jewish Soviet Secret Police.
 
Because the Jews control Hollywood. You will never see a movie about how Eastern Europeans suffered at the hands of the Jewish Soviet Secret Police.

Is that because Jewish Immigrants set up the original major Hollywood studios though? I suppose it's only natural they are going to make movies about subject they are personally passionate about. Is that a bad thing?
 
Is that because Jewish Immigrants set up the original major Hollywood studios though? I suppose it's only natural they are going to make movies about subject they are personally passionate about. Is that a bad thing?

Hollywood is a Jewish propaganda mill, has been from its inception, but you knew that.
 
I have started a thread in Forum Managemant to have MaGz suspended or Banned outright. He is clearly not hear to argue or debate, but just to piss off and insult Jews. Please check it out and comment.
 
I have started a thread in Forum Managemant to have MaGz suspended or Banned outright. He is clearly not hear to argue or debate, but just to piss off and insult Jews. Please check it out and comment.

I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.
 
I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.

Banning someone from a forum for violating the rules to which they agreed is not a violation of freedom of speech. Banning someone from a forum for no reason at all except spite, is not a violation of freedom of speech.

However if AJ had his way, we would be a police state and people would not be free to say what they want.
 
I have started a thread in Forum Managemant to have MaGz suspended or Banned outright. He is clearly not hear to argue or debate, but just to piss off and insult Jews. Please check it out and comment.

We had a fuss over MaGZ recently, and the ruling of the Mods was that unless it was directed specifically against an individual , Anti Semitism and Racism were not violations of the JREF rules.
I do not agree with this, but I doubt the Mods are going to change their minds so soon. Starting the fuss up again will be useless.
 
I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.


Nonsense. JREF is a privately owned website, and Randi and the mods have the right to set up any rules they see fit, and enforce them any way they see fit.
It is not a public square, it is a private home, and the owner of a private home has the right to tell someone to get the hell out at any time for any reason.
BTW,when it comes to banning someone for diagreeing with them, the Truther Sites are among the worst I have seen. But as long as they pay for the sites, the owners have a right to control content on the site.
 
I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.


Wow... What an asinine statement. You're seriously suggesting that if the JREF forums ban someone for antisemitism, that gets the ball rolling to allow jailing of anti-Semitic individuals in the U.S.?

You, sir, greatly overestimate the influence of this forum. The U.S. government will not be using the moderation of these forums as legal precedent.


ETA: Actually, upon second reading, it appears that you're attempting to equate the banning of anti-Semitic individuals from these forums with the jailing of anti-Semitic individuals in Germany. It's still an asinine statement.
 
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I haven't heard what Alex Jones has had to say recently so I won't comment on whether he is being anti-semitic or not. infowars isn't a place I frequent

However it's wrong to equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format. And criticism of Zionism as a movement in itself isn't anti-semitic. Also remember there are Jews that are against Zionism.

Given that Zionism was a late 19th and early 20th century movement for a Jewish state in Palestine, I do have to question what the "anti-Zionists" are all about. It's like saying you oppose manifest destiny.
 
Given that Zionism was a late 19th and early 20th century movement for a Jewish state in Palestine, I do have to question what the "anti-Zionists" are all about. It's like saying you oppose manifest destiny.

Are you serious?

Zionism as a political movement still exists you know. It's one of the most powerful lobbies. AIPAC used to be called the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs.

People who are Anti-Zionist are those who are not happy with the way this movement has so much power to promote the Pro-Israel lobby at the expense of other issues.
 
Zionism as a political movement still exists you know. It's one of the most powerful lobbies.


Are you aware that modern zionism was a response to antisemitism?

People who are Anti-Zionist are those who are not happy with the way this movement has so much power to promote the Pro-Israel lobby at the expense of other issues.


See, you're problem is that you're taking other truthers' claims of "anti-zionism, not anti-semitism" at face value. I'm sure you know quite well that many in the so-called Truth Movement simply use that as a semantic shield. I mean, since when does a powerful lobby group orchestrate and execute major, covert acts of international terrorism?

The "anti-zionists" you enjoy defending have quite plainly extended the scope of the phrase, but your arguments ignore that. That's a failure on your part, not ours.
 
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Are you serious?

People who are Anti-Zionist are those who are not happy with the way this movement has so much power to promote the Pro-Israel lobby at the expense of other issues.

are you suggesting that there are no anti-Zionists who are really motivated by hatred of Jews?

if you read the writings of many anti-Zionists, they often go into issues that have NOTHING to do with Zionism. Such as the Russian Revolution, the American Civil War, international banking, the death of Jesus. These are the pet subjects of anti-Semites.

Lets not forget that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion had NOTHING to do with Israel, Palestine, or Zionism.
 
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Are you aware that modern zionism was a response to antisemitism?
Huh? it's a continuation of the original Zionism

See, you're problem is that you're taking other truthers' claims of "anti-zionism, not anti-semitism" at face value. I'm sure you know quite well that many in the so-called Truth Movement simply use that as a semantic shield. I mean, since when does a powerful lobby group orchestrate and execute major, covert acts of international terrorism?

The "anti-zionists" you enjoy defending have quite plainly extended the scope of the phrase, but your arguments ignore that. That's a failure on your part, not ours.[/QUOTE]

What on earth are you gibbering on about?

Most people I have come across aren't anti-semitic in the slightest, but they are concerned about Zionist Movement and it's lobby. Particularly the situation between Israel and the palestinians.

Most anti-Zionists aren't Anti-semitic dude. You need to stop believing that ADL rhetoric.

The BS of stifling criticism of Zionism by labelling it racist is getting real tired now. People are fed up with it.
 

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